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Old 04-21-2006   #1
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At the end of the year are all the Carr haters gonna say I told you so!

Or are they gonna have to shut the hell up?

I think it will be 50-50 because Carr will have a good year but we will probally fall short of the playoffs for the fifth time in five years.

This will add fuel to the fire for the Carr haters so they can point out how this guy "is not a leader" or does not have "it"

On the other hand the Carr people will say look I told you so, "his numbers have improved and we will win a super bowl with him!"
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At the end of the year are all the Carr haters gonna say I told you so!

Or are they gonna have to shut the hell up?

I think it will be 50-50 because Carr will have a good year but we will probally fall short of the playoffs for the fifth time in five years.

This will add fuel to the fire for the Carr haters so they can point out how this guy "is not a leader" or does not have "it"

On the other hand the Carr people will say look I told you so, "his numbers have improved and we will win a super bowl with him!"
As long as we improve W to 7 or better, I'm happy.

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So far, Kubiak & CO. did pretty good job IMO. When Kubiak was OC for the broncos he did damn good job on Jake and if he sees Carr is the one to lead us to the utimate, it is fine with me. Not to mention Sherman as our OL coach and assistant to HC, you couldn't ask anymore of the right people than these two to run our offense. Heck I'm really excited about this coming season!!
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I've been defending him, so the first time they win 8 games or more in one season I will start bashing Carr mercillessly.
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There are many ProBowlers QBs that haven't won SuperBowls. In 2004, Carr had ProBowl numbers..... there were still people who were Vocal about his play.

Most people, don't blame Carr for our 2-14 record....... at least I don't.

If we pass on Vince Young, I won't say anything bad about Carr, unless Vince is a free Agent, or a prospect catches my eye in the college game, and we are in position to get him.

So we'll have what has come up here recently...... folks grabing my posts from the past, where I'm defending Carr, saying he isn't the problem. Trying to discredit my politicking for Vince.

Carr, to me...... is a stop gap kinda starter...... He can win us some games.... But if we get to the SuperBowl, then he'll be a role player in that. Much Like Ben Rothlisberger in SuperBowl XL, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson........ and I'm fine with that, as long as we win a SuperBowl.
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At the end of the year are all the Carr haters gonna say I told you so!

Or are they gonna have to shut the hell up?

I think it will be 50-50 because Carr will have a good year but we will probally fall short of the playoffs for the fifth time in five years.

This will add fuel to the fire for the Carr haters so they can point out how this guy "is not a leader" or does not have "it"

On the other hand the Carr people will say look I told you so, "his numbers have improved and we will win a super bowl with him!"
It will not be the Carr haters that will be heard the loudest, because they will have been right...

It will be more the Carr apologists making still further excuses for his pathetic play...

With all the weapons available to him, if he is not a top 12 quarterback then he needs to go. Period...

A good quarterback would make very very dramatic advances this season...

Carr is not a good quarterback, so I expect moderate advances only...

He is and will be nothing more than a top 20 QB, no matter what tools he has on his side...

And ya'll will continue to make excuses for him like, new offense, new coach, new teammates, been sacked to much... yada yada yada...

The cream rises to the top, let this season be his last chance to shine or put him up there with likes of Harrington and Boller...
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.....let this season be his last chance to shine or put him up there with likes of Harrington and Boller...

I've been trying to find it in the archives.... but couldn't. Most everyone was saying 2005 was his last chance......... no excuses....... sacks, injury, none..

but that's not the way it worked out.
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I've been trying to find it in the archives.... but couldn't. Most everyone was saying 2005 was his last chance......... no excuses....... sacks, injury, none..

but that's not the way it worked out.
The entire team was a mess last year. I find last season of very little use for evaluating any player, due to the team disintegration in addition to the individually broken parts.
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At the end of the year are all the Carr haters gonna say I told you so!

Or are they gonna have to shut the hell up?

I think it will be 50-50 because Carr will have a good year but we will probally fall short of the playoffs for the fifth time in five years.

This will add fuel to the fire for the Carr haters so they can point out how this guy "is not a leader" or does not have "it"

On the other hand the Carr people will say look I told you so, "his numbers have improved and we will win a super bowl with him!"
You can say the same thing about the draft. No matter who the Texans take, there will be a whole lot of people who will be ticked off.
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You can say the same thing about the draft. No matter who the Texans take, there will be a whole lot of people who will be ticked off.

I think people will be ticked off because they are emotional about their team.

I think the people that take a step back and look at the BIG picture may not be ticked off, maybe a little disappointed because they wanted to see "their guy" on their team. But if there is a better fit for an additional impact versus an impact and sliding a very good player aside that has produced or has the potential to produce with this new system, coaching staff, added players, and let's not forget NEW LIFE WITH AN ATTITUDE TO SUCCEED!!!
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The Texans went the route of re-signing Carr . This says the new Coach thinks he can win with a player we already have . A player who was the 1st player drafted in 2002 .

We now can draft the player who we deem the best prospect . Vince is not the best prospect ... he may not be the best at his position . After the many months of measuring and timing it seems Bush and Williams are the two best prospects . Either one of these players will play opening day .
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"In 2004, Carr had ProBowl numbers"

In most professions(jobs), a person is expected to get desired results on a consistent basis--getting good results half the time and bad results the other half won't work. Carr had more interceptions the last half of '04 than TD's, for example--does that mean the entire year was great? IMO, no. If the two halves had been reversed, with the 2nd half being better, I could buy into the good year assertion. Too, defending Carr by saying the competition was tougher the 2nd half, is actually saying that Carr can only put up good numbers against inferior teams. Is that a good opinion? For Carr to lead us anywhere close to the 'promise land,' IMO we need to expect him to succeed against all teams.

I've advocated for a long time getting Carr all the tools necessary to produce desired results on the field, and I think Kubiak is going to do that this year. Will that translate into better QB production consistently on the field? Let's hope we know that answer sooner than later because--until we do--we're going to go nowhere. I look forward to the day when Carr's performance on the field can be judged by results and not excuses!
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I've advocated for a long time getting Carr all the tools necessary to produce desired results on the field, and I think Kubiak is going to do that this year. Will that translate into better QB production consistently on the field? Let's hope we know that answer sooner than later because--until we do--we're going to go nowhere. I look forward to the day when Carr's performance on the field can be judged by results and not excuses!
We will have 4 ProBowlers on the field when David Carr takes the field..... Quincy Carter could take that team to the SuperBowl, and give whoever a run for their money.

With, or without Reggie Bush.
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At the end of the year are all the Carr haters gonna say I told you so!

Or are they gonna have to shut the hell up?

I think it will be 50-50 because Carr will have a good year but we will probally fall short of the playoffs for the fifth time in five years.

This will add fuel to the fire for the Carr haters so they can point out how this guy "is not a leader" or does not have "it"

On the other hand the Carr people will say look I told you so, "his numbers have improved and we will win a super bowl with him!"
Here's how if I feel it will look like this time next year:

I think Carr will have his best season yet. He's going to throw about 25 TD's and 12 INTs. We won't make the playoffs though. We'll be in the hunt for most of the season, but ultimately we'll fall a game or two short, which is nothing to be discouraged about. Our team will have taken a dramatic step forward, and in 2007 we'll be primed to be a playoff team.

However, with us not making the playoffs and even though Carr had a good season, a few people will continue their whining saying "See! Carr couldn't get us to the playoffs even with all this talent!" They'll forget that it was his first year in a new and improved system. They'll forget that it's almost an entirely new lineup he'll be working with. They'll just be banging on David Carr because they wanted Vince Young.

One final prediction: Because we won't make the playoffs, there will still be a few people (thankfully they are a minority) who will say we would have made the playoffs with Vince Young guiding the team.

That's my prediction.
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We will have 4 ProBowlers on the field when David Carr takes the field..... Quincy Carter could take that team to the SuperBowl, and give whoever a run for their money.

With, or without Reggie Bush.
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I still get a good laugh at Jerruh with his move up to draft Quincy..

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Here's how if I feel it will look like this time next year:

I think Carr will have his best season yet. He's going to throw about 25 TD's and 12 INTs. We won't make the playoffs though. We'll be in the hunt for most of the season, but ultimately we'll fall a game or two short, which is nothing to be discouraged about. Our team will have taken a dramatic step forward, and in 2007 we'll be primed to be a playoff team.

However, with us not making the playoffs and even though Carr had a good season, a few people will continue their whining saying "See! Carr couldn't get us to the playoffs even with all this talent!" They'll forget that it was his first year in a new and improved system. They'll forget that it's almost an entirely new lineup he'll be working with. They'll just be banging on David Carr because they wanted Vince Young.

One final prediction: Because we won't make the playoffs, there will still be a few people (thankfully they are a minority) who will say we would have made the playoffs with Vince Young guiding the team.

That's my prediction.
I disagree. If Carr plays well this year-regardless of the team record-I believe most posters will be happy with him and optimistic about the teams future. Remember, even after the horrendous '05 season, the 'Chicken Little's' did not come out of the 'woodwork' and try to rub anyone's nose in it--they showed a little 'class.' However, I do believe that if Carr performs poorly, his backers will continue to make excuses for him...let's hope for a great '06! Oh, almost forgot--who keeps bringing up Vince Young's name on every post??
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I disagree. If Carr plays well this year-regardless of the team record-I believe most posters will be happy with him and optimistic about the teams future. Remember, even after the horrendous '05 season, the 'Chicken Little's' did not come out of the 'woodwork' and try to rub anyone's nose in it--they showed a little 'class.' However, I do believe that if Carr performs poorly, his backers will continue to make excuses for him...let's hope for a great '06! Oh, almost forgot--who keeps bringing up Vince Young's name on every post??

I will root for carr for the next 16 games, and if he continues to play like a glorified high school freshman, i will continue to call him on it. Im not even all about the stats, which is why i wasnt over him after 2004, but i am about the WINS. he wins 6 or more games, I'll leave him alone.
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I think Carr will have a very good season, and the "Carr Haters" won't be too upset, winning cures a lot of ills.

I don't think you can look at 2005 and say he was our weakest link, how can you when his protection was significantly worse than 2004. JMO

One thing is for sure, time will only tell, and I think Kubiak is going to turn this thing around!
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Carr and the Texans needs to get started early. First 3 of 4 are at home, then with 6 of 8 on the road, and finally with 3 of 4 at home to close out the season.

Just looking at the schedule, they need to be at least 2-2 to start or they could be out of playoff contention early in the season because of the tough road games in the middle of the season. If they start 1-3, they will need to go 5-3 on that road stretch to be .500 for the last part of the season for the 3 out of 4 home stand to close out. They need to be at .500 at that part of the season to be in serious playoff contention.

As for Carr, the jury will always be out on this guy unless throws up Payton Manning numbers or wins a Super Bowl with his play and leadership. He has gotten by with 4 years of excuses, and I don't really see that changing at any point.
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I admit it, I am a Carr hater.

I just don't think he has the skills needed to be a proficient NFL quarterback. Even so, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and only expect to win 5 games next year and don't expect the first win until week 7 - 8. No matter what happens, we have to at least give DC and Kubes the first half of the season to get settled. The only thing I ask for is improvement. DC looked like a rookie last year (actually, I think he looked better his rookie season). By mid season, I expect him to look more like a mature quarterback then a chicken with its head cut off.

The best thing anyone, even his supporters, can say about DC is that he has allot of potential. That’s pretty weak for a quarterback going into his 5th year as starter. If I’m not excited about him being our quarterback by the end of the season, I think the Texans should consider him a bust.

I would warn many of you from getting too excited about this team. While I agree the Texans have made some good moves this off season, but we still have allot of holes in the o-line and defense.
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Well with Indy seemingly losing some firepower on both sides of the ball it opens the door for our Bitter rivals the jaguars to maybe become the team to beat in our division, however we have done a lot to improve our team with 0 distractions like in Tenn. I tend to think Indy falls off alot this year unless rhodes just really shows that he is a force.. I think the steelers and chargers revealed how to beat the colts, and that was constant pressure. Manning doesnt seem to have that favre like presence to deliver a perfect pass as he gets hit when he is about to get hit the passes seem to get errant, I think maybe he rushes his throw and loses some accuracy. I could see some really good texan jags games in the coming seasons. i think its a toss up between us and indy who ends up 2nd in the division, but niether team will have a wildcard, I think the wild card will be Miami or new england, then KC, Den or SD.

I think Carr improves dramatically in an offense that plays to his strengths, Throwing on the run and play action. especially if the line can adjust and protect him better. This helps because with weapons pther than AJ we can ad lib some busted plays and make something happen unlike last year when no one could step up and be someone carr could count on.
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