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Old 04-20-2006   #1
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Default AnyOne Else See SF trying to move up to #1 pick?

They can now offer the #6 and #22 pick in the first round. 49ers have a total of 10 picks in this years draft. Alex Smith and Reggie Bush were teammates plus San Fran needs a shot in the arm. Reggie would stay in Cali. Houston would need to also get a 2nd this year or one next year IMO. Two first round picks wouldn't be enough. I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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So we give SF a major shot in the arm? Um, we're not 9ers fans.
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the total value of all their picks in this draft don't equal the value of the #1. they got the extra pick from denver because denver wants to trade up. SF will keep both picks and rebuild the team. or, even possibly, trade down from 22 to try and regain a 2nd or 3rd that they lost.
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I would do it for their 2 firsts this year and their 1st next year. It will be a high 1st next year because the 49ers are a bad football team.
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I think the niners should do it. I think they palnned on having MAtteo last year and done whatever necessary to pick up Reggie this year. I am sure all parties would have been happy with that especially us b/c we never would have to play them .
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SF will keep both picks and rebuild the team. or, even possibly, trade down from 22 to try and regain a 2nd or 3rd that they lost.
SF just traded a 2nd and a 3rd to move up to #22, why would they turn around and trade #22 for a 2nd or a 3rd? They either have someone they have targeted at #22 or they are thinking about packaging their 2 1st round picks to move up to #1 or #2. I don't know that I would take their 2 first rounders this year and a 2nd round pick next year. I'm still thinking we need to draft defense....I would want either Williams or Hawk. Williams will be gone by the 6th pick and Hawk may not last til then either.
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it's also a smart move money-wise. trade away all your picks for another #1 overall pick salary, the 2nd one in as many years. really, a brilliant move. the niners are moving nowhere.
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So we give SF a major shot in the arm? Um, we're not 9ers fans.
The 49ers have been a joke since they changed owners. Tons of USC fans that want Reggie to stay in Cali, would follow his new team. He could be the guy that brings respect to the niner franchise.
As a Texan fan, I want Bush....but I'm a realist and know that it's going to take more than Bush to get us a title. I just keep thinking how turd fans went from 1-15 to the Superbowl with the Hershal Walker trade.
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the total value of all their picks in this draft don't equal the value of the #1. they got the extra pick from denver because denver wants to trade up. SF will keep both picks and rebuild the team. or, even possibly, trade down from 22 to try and regain a 2nd or 3rd that they lost.
I haven't been keeping up with the trade, but SF has two #1s now, and Denver doesn't........ How does this help Denver move up again?? wouldn't they have had a better chance. I'm expecting two #1s......... 1 relatively high the other about 20 or higher....... Denver is further from this scenario than they were before.
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If you remember Denver was shopping those two 1st rd. picks for compensation next year due to cap figures this year.
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Anybody else suspicious of Denver in this draft? I have this feeling that they are keeping in close contact with Kubiak and are acquiring all these picks so that they can deal with us somehow.

However I thought that would be a good spot for us to trade with SF. At worst it lands us AJ Hawk,or D'Brick, or possibly Vince Young (possibly yall) and one of the best lineman in the draft later on.

But the value isn't really there so I don't think it will happen plus someone mentioned more that SF is trying to stay put because they don't want to spend alot of money.
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For a long time I was in the tradedown camp, and I guess I still am if we get good value and make good choices with those extra picks. But now -- seeing that we can choose between either Bush or Williams, and knowing what a huge impact either could have for us -- I can't say I am all about the tradedown any more.

Going to #4 would likely eliminate both Bush and Williams for us. At that point, who do we go with? Hawk? I am not sold on Ferguson, he has a lot of work to do at the pro level. He is a great athlete but IMO lacks the quick thinking to be an elite T at the next level.

Bush and Williams are about as safe as any pick we could ever hope to make, and both would have an immediate impact. I would take a godfather deal if it fell to us, sure, but I suspect the price we should and must demand will be more than any team is willing to pay.
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Could be.

Texans fielding more trade calls than Saints

By Todd McShay

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1. Houston Texans (2-14)
Top-five needs: OT, OG, DC, WR, RB
The pick: +Reggie Bush, RB, USC
The Texans are surprisingly fielding far more trade offers for their pick than the Saints are at No. 2. If the deal is sweet enough, there's still a chance that the Texans could trade down a few spots (Jets?) and still get an elite player at a position of greater need, such as NC State DE Mario Williams or Virginia OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson. When all the dust settles, however, the Texans are still expected to take Bush with the first overall selection. Running back is not one of the Texans' top positional needs, but Bush is far more than just a running back. He's the most explosive runner, receiver and return man that this year's class has to offer. No other rookie will make a bigger impact than Bush will for the Texans next season.

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SF just traded a 2nd and a 3rd to move up to #22, why would they turn around and trade #22 for a 2nd or a 3rd? They either have someone they have targeted at #22 or they are thinking about packaging their 2 1st round picks to move up to #1 or #2. I don't know that I would take their 2 first rounders this year and a 2nd round pick next year. I'm still thinking we need to draft defense....I would want either Williams or Hawk. Williams will be gone by the 6th pick and Hawk may not last til then either.
you're right, i wasn't thinking there.
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I haven't been keeping up with the trade, but SF has two #1s now, and Denver doesn't........ How does this help Denver move up again?? wouldn't they have had a better chance. I'm expecting two #1s......... 1 relatively high the other about 20 or higher....... Denver is further from this scenario than they were before.
not at all. by way of the value chart, the two 1st rounders they had would have actually been worth too much if they wanted to trade up into the top 10. right now, they can package their 1st and the 2nd and 3rd they received from SF to move up as high as #5. gotta look at the value chart...
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They can now offer the #6 and #22 pick in the first round. 49ers have a total of 10 picks in this years draft. Alex Smith and Reggie Bush were teammates plus San Fran needs a shot in the arm. Reggie would stay in Cali. Houston would need to also get a 2nd this year or one next year IMO. Two first round picks wouldn't be enough. I'd do it in a heartbeat.
At first, I thought so. But then I realized that the Niners have way more needs than even we do. I think they keep their picks & try to rebuild.
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you're right, i wasn't thinking there.

not at all. by way of the value chart, the two 1st rounders they had would have actually been worth too much if they wanted to trade up into the top 10. right now, they can package their 1st and the 2nd and 3rd they received from SF to move up as high as #5. gotta look at the value chart...
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I thought the idea was to offer more than face value(so-to-speak), to get the #1 overall....... aren't we asking for more than "face Value"??
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i have no clue what you're talking about.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Nicke...valuechart.htm
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Problem with that chart is it doesn't take into account the depth of talent in each draft.

Does Reggie Bush (assuming he's the top overall pick) represent as much value as Alex Smith because Smith was the top pick last year? I wouldn't think so.

The Niners would be dumb to trade two first round picks in this draft for the top spot.
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i have no clue what you're talking about.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Nicke...valuechart.htm

I was under the impression, if anyone wanted our #1 pick, they'd have to offer more than the 3000 points it is worth......
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I was under the impression, if anyone wanted our #1 pick, they'd have to offer more than the 3000 points it is worth......
Yeah he looses me sometimes too K. Must be a generation thingy.

What I've been thinking is, they aren't posiotioning themselves to trade up for the 3000, but the 2600 ? If we pass on Bush and Take Mario or...visa versa, they can make a play. They have no pressure for results. Either player and they're smiling. Could be like Maylock said the other night, they'll take the TE
then come back for one of the DBs if one happens to fall. But any way they now have the ammo to make a move if they want.
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