Chris Mortensen on Carr in his chat

[dhaNim]

This question was asked to him during his chat this morning and the answer was quite suprising as to how high david carr is regarded...

Why would the Texans pay so much for Carr when he has not proved to amount to much,. they gave him a 8 mil roster bonus. Wouldnt they money been netter spent elsewhere..

Chris Mortensen: (12:28 PM ET ) It's funny, as I've spoken to these proven talent evaluators in the league, the consensus among them is that there have been only three "true" top-pick quarterback talents since 1998 - Peyton Manning, David Carr and Carson Palmer. Carr was mentioned by almost all of them. They had other issues on offense.

[Errant Hothy]

Eric Warth Texas
Why would the Texans pay so much for Carr when he has not proved to amount to much,. they gave him a 8 mil roster bonus. Wouldnt they money been netter spent elsewhere..

CHRIS MORTENSEN
It's funny, as I've spoken to these proven talent evaluators in the league, the consensus among them is that there have been only three true top-pick quarterback talents since 1998 - Peyton Manning, David Carr and Carson Palmer. Carr was mentioned by almost all of them. They had other issues on offense.


Might shed some light on why Carr was kept. This is from Mort's current chat session.

[dhaNim]

haha i guess we read this at the same time... i guess our posts with be merged...

[tex]

Not suprising to me

[Errant Hothy]

More about the talent on hand:

Dan, Pittsburgh
I know it sounds like I'm beating a dead horse, but how could the Texans NOT trade away Reggie Bush to pick up a couple O-linemen to protect their QB?

CHRIS MORTENSEN
The Broncos' system that Kubiak has brought to the Texans has never called for stud O-linemen. The running game offers the protection; also, the talent on hand is better than most people think.

[MightyTExan]

That's cool. I posted this in the NFL section, but I think this is an interesting comment considering how similiar Carr and Harrington's careers are:

Harrington was interviewed on the draft show last night:

They did a quick interview. He said he likes competition. And then something to the effect that his problems in Detroit were because he was just handed the starting job and not having a good team.

[Mike Kerns]

there have been only three "true" top-pick quarterback talents since 1998 - Peyton Manning, David Carr and Carson Palmer. Carr was mentioned by almost all of them.

Wow. That is some good company. Hopefully that is the 2006 or 2007 AFC pro bowl roster for QB's.

[Mailman04]

Chris Mortensen is a good friend of mine and is one of the best sources for NFL football. He doesn't have all the biased crap ESPN has in baseball, etc. Gammons and those clowns are all Boston Red Sox fans, but Chris does a good job. his son is the 3rd string QB here at Arkansas and Chris lives in Bella Vista, just north of Fayetteville. He thinks the Texans will take Bush with the first pick.

[chuckm]

Mortensen is going to be on Dan Patrick's show shortly ....

[TwinSisters]

Yeah I was going to start a thread on this, but I wanted to wait until after the draft ( to filter out the emotional cheerleader factor )

( not saying there is anything wrong with emotions or cheerleaders though. That's fine and they are fine. I cry too. )

When does it become a Carr problem or QB problem?

I had a hard time last season looking at Carr, when I watched Brett Favre and some others play. Toss that in with the Harrington implosion.

Can you blame it all on the OL? Favre is old and had a horrible line last season. His support problems were close to our own. They had to go 4 to 6 deep to find a running back to start.

Carr is young and Favre is on his last leg. Certainly if you cannot expect your quarterback to be better than a HOFer, you could at least expect him to be doing better than an ageing 'about to' retire HOFer.... but it didn't look that way.

Now I will tell you that Carr is my man, but when do I check myself and say... I have a worm instead of a butterfly? ( when it's past the time that I should be seeing wings )

Does anybody know of place that counts dropped balls? Is that it?

[El Tejano]

Originally Posted by TwinSisters

Yeah I was going to start a thread on this, but I wanted to wait until after the draft ( to filter out the emotional cheerleader factor )

( not saying there is anything wrong with emotions or cheerleaders though. That's fine and they are fine. I cry too. )

When does it become a Carr problem or QB problem?

I had a hard time last season looking at Carr, when I watched Brett Favre and some others play. Toss that in with the Harrington implosion.

Can you blame it all on the OL? Favre is old and had a horrible line last season. His support problems were close to our own. They had to go 4 to 6 deep to find a running back to start.

Carr is young and Favre is on his last leg. Certainly if you cannot expect your quarterback to be better than a HOFer, you could at least expect him to be doing better than an ageing about to retire HOFer.... but it didn't look that way.

Now I will tell you that Carr is my man, but when do I check myself and say... I have a worm instead of a butterfly? ( when it's past the time that I should be seeing wings )

Does anybody know of place that counts dropped balls? Is that it?

Favre may have had a horrible offensive line but he also had a pretty good offensive scheme. Carr has had a very limited offense because of the staff that was brought in. Palmer is just a horrible offensive coordinator.

[TwinSisters]

Originally Posted by El Tejano

Favre may have had a horrible offensive line but he also had a pretty good offensive scheme. Carr has had a very limited offense because of the staff that was brought in. Palmer is just a horrible offensive coordinator.

So are you saying this it then? If he doesn't fly like a champ this season, it's a problem with the quarterback.

[chuckm]

Mort's take for those that don't have access to radio ....


Texan's are gathering data and will begin negotiating with both Bush and Williams ...... they are getting "virtually no action" for a trade out of #1 ... teams across the league are split on the best player in the draft between Bush and Williams .... he doesn't think they can trade out .... Texans have called the Jets 3 times inquiring about a trade only to be rebuffed each time ... thinks the Texans will take Bush ....

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by TwinSisters

Does anybody know of place that counts dropped balls? Is that it?

Carr had 21 drops last year or 5% of overall attempts or 12.6% of incompletions--from Stats, Inc.

[Double Barrel]

I'm honestly up in the air about Carr. My eyes have seen many troublesome tendencies in his abilities, but my ears are being told that any QB will look horrible on bad teams with disfunctional coaching.

I really want to believe the dude has got the goods, but the proof is in action, not words. So he's our QB, and I'll root for him...but I just have this nagging doubt about the guy that I hope gets put to rest next season.

But better football minds that my feeble one have said that Carr has got the talent, so I suppose only time will tell.

[Tulip]

How odd, given the constant arguments up to the 1998 draft: who's better - Leaf or Manning?

We all know how it turned out, but that's mere hindsight.

[U4ikrob]

Originally Posted by El Tejano

Favre may have had a horrible offensive line but he also had a pretty good offensive scheme. Carr has had a very limited offense because of the staff that was brought in. Palmer is just a horrible offensive coordinator.

And thankfully we moved on from Palmer/Capers and we still will get to see the results of their coaching this year since Dom is in Miami and Palmer is up in Dallas with Parcells again. Now we can see how good/or bad their coaching really is since both are in positions to make choices again. I'm really interested to see if Palmer succeeds or flops with Bledsoe and the Cowboys -Should make for a real interesting game come October.

IMO - A lot of players on this club need to prove some things on the field this year to keep their jobs.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

It's funny, as I've spoken to these proven talent evaluators in the league, the consensus among them is that there have been only three true top-pick quarterback talents since 1998 - Peyton Manning, David Carr and Carson Palmer. Carr was mentioned by almost all of them. They had other issues on offense.
Might shed some light on why Carr was kept.

That's fine, and reassuring I guess even though I'm never that impressed with these anonymous sources the media has.
But the endorsement that really means something to me is Kubiaks. His knowledge and credentials are well documeted. And his opinion of Carr is
well known. Its the one that really means something to me.

[thunderkyss]

I like Drew Bledsoe... he's a ProBowler.... he puts up good stats, doesn't make too many stupid mistakes.

But when he's messing up, I'll tell you.

Same with Peyton, Same with Donovan, and Culpepper.

Put any of those guys on bad teams, and I can tell you when they are playing well, or when they are playing bad. When they are lifting their teams, and when they are dragging them down.

Same thing with David. He may very well be as talented & smart as Peyton & Carson............ but he played very poorly the second half of 2004, & all of 2005(well most of it).

Put it this way. Drew Bledsoe is good enough to get a team to the SuperBowl. Drew Bledsoe is good enough to win a SuperBowl. & while he did take his team to the SuperBowl once, and he owns an NFL Championship ring........ he's never won the superbowl, and time is running out.

[Nighthawk]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

CHRIS MORTENSEN
It's funny, as I've spoken to these proven talent evaluators in the league, the consensus among them is that there have been only three true top-pick quarterback talents since 1998 - Peyton Manning, David Carr and Carson Palmer.

Somebody's sniffing somebody's jock big time. This is just plain silly.