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Old 04-15-2006   #1
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Same pro day 40 time 4.3, almost the same size Reggie Bush 5'10.5 201 Faulk 5'11.75 204. Were you people also aware that in the 12 years Faulk has been in the league, he has only been able to stay healthy enough to finnish a complete 16 game season 4 times. Ladamion Tomilinson who is 20 lbs heavier has already matched that number in just 5 seasons. Brian Westbrook, another comparison to Bush has never completed a season without a injury. Dan Wilkinson, the #1 overall the year Faulk was taken, has completed 9 complete 16 game season, in comparison to Faulk? DE Willie McGinist, also taken in the same draft 4th pick has been healthy for 8 complete 16 game seasons.
I still think that reggie is going to have a good career but the kid is going to have problem because of his size. Trung Canidate, Cedric Benson, Michael Bennet, these are the only 3 running backs under 210 lbs taken in the 1st round in the last five years and all 3 have had major injuries. Canidate is a free agent, and Bennet was just released by the Vikings. Can a 200 lb running back survive in the 2006 season, I really don't know, I guess we will see.....
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I am not trying to nock Reggie, I am just saying that history does not lie. I think Mario and or Vince would contribute more for this team over their careers than Reggie Could. But I also would like to note that Faulk also led the Colts to the AFC championship in his second season. He was also traded after his 5th year by the Colts, to allow a larger back, Edge, take the number one spot.
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I am not trying to nock Reggie, I am just saying that history does not lie. I think Mario and or Vince would contribute more for this team over their careers than Reggie Could. But I also would like to note that Faulk also led the Colts to the AFC championship in his second season. He was also traded after his 5th year by the Colts, to allow a larger back, Edge, take the number one spot.
No doubt, RB's get hit a bunch. I imagine the thinking would be limit the touches and minimize the poundings as a result.
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That would have to be the key for him to be worth the money. I was watching both Mike Strahan and Warren Sapp talking about Bush and they said they hope he tries that bounce it outside because NFL Defenses will eat him up. They also made comments about how weak his competition was in the PAC 10 which could be a reason his highlite film was so great. (NOTE: THEY SAID IT NOT ME SO DONT ATTACK ME PLEASE) All you ever hear from the T.V. analyist, most who never even played pro football, and they talk as if Reggie was the next great thing since sliced bread, but when you listen to Rod Woodson, Mike Strahan, and Warren Sapp they act as if they think Reggie is a joke????? I think that Reggie will be a great if we play him about 23 snaps a game. If, and when, he has to run between the tackles I hope he hits the whole so dang fast he is in the safties grill before the line backers can get to him because Jerry Porter, Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, those guys are going to bring alot of pop.
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Honestly, I feel the PAC-10 is all hype and no substance. But then again that's just me talking. I know some of you will call me crazy and maybe some worse things. But that's the way I see it. At the same time, I take nothing away from the talent that comes out of there. Well, for the most part.
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the main reason I don't like the argument that Reggie is the next Faulk, is for all we know, we already have the next Faulk...... only bigger, and stronger, in DD. Look at the stats of the first three years of their carreers. Sure, DD is slower, & he can't take it to the house from 80 yards out........ at least he hasn't done it yet.

three years, total yards…….. Marshall 4372
Three years, total yards…….. Domanick 4471

Rushing yards
Marshall 1282yds/yr1 1079yds/yr2 587yds/yr3
Domanick 1031yds/yr1 1188yds/yr2 976yds/yr3

Avg YPC:
Marshall 4.1 yr1 3.7 yr2 3 yr3
Domanick 4.3 yr1 3.9 yr2 4.2 yr3

Longest run:
Marshall: 52 yrds 40 yrds 43 yrds
Domanick: 51yrds 44yrds 44yrds

TDs:
Marshall: 11 11 7 total 29
Domanick: 8 13 2 total 23


20+ yrd runs...
in his first 3 years, Marshall had 19 runs over 20 yrds, Domanick had 13

Recieving you say??
three years...
Marshall: 1425 yards, with only two reception going for more than 40 yards.
Domanick: 1276 yards with no receptions going for more than 40yards.

Before this season, I've heard people compare Domonick Davis to Emmitt Smith, and Marshall Faulk. The only real knock on him, is that he's missed a few games.


games played:
Marshall 16 yr1 16 yr2 13 yr3 45 total
Domanick 14 yr1 15 yr2 11 yr3 40 total

Domanick only missed 5 more games than Marshall did his first three years. He has more rushing yards, 150 yards less recieving.

If Reggie Bush is so great, because he is going to be the next Marshall Faulk, why do we need two Marshall Faulks??
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the main reason I don't like the argument that Reggie is the next Faulk, is for all we know, we already have the next Faulk...... only bigger, and stronger, in DD. Look at the stats of the first three years of their carreers. Sure, DD is slower, & he can't take it to the house from 80 yards out........ at least he hasn't done it yet.

three years, total yards…….. Marshall 4372
Three years, total yards…….. Domanick 4471

Rushing yards
Marshall 1282yds/yr1 1079yds/yr2 587yds/yr3
Domanick 1031yds/yr1 1188yds/yr2 976yds/yr3

Avg YPC:
Marshall 4.1 yr1 3.7 yr2 3 yr3
Domanick 4.3 yr1 3.9 yr2 4.2 yr3

Longest run:
Marshall: 52 yrds 40 yrds 43 yrds
Domanick: 51yrds 44yrds 44yrds

TDs:
Marshall: 11 11 7 total 29
Domanick: 8 13 2 total 23


20+ yrd runs...
in his first 3 years, Marshall had 19 runs over 20 yrds, Domanick had 13

Recieving you say??
three years...
Marshall: 1425 yards, with only two reception going for more than 40 yards.
Domanick: 1276 yards with no receptions going for more than 40yards.

Before this season, I've heard people compare Domonick Davis to Emmitt Smith, and Marshall Faulk. The only real knock on him, is that he's missed a few games.


games played:
Marshall 16 yr1 16 yr2 13 yr3 45 total
Domanick 14 yr1 15 yr11 11 yr3 40 total

Domanick only missed 5 more games than Marshall did his first three years. He has more rushing yards, 150 yards less recieving.

If Reggie Bush is so great, because he is going to be the next Marshall Faulk, why do we need two Marshall Faulks??

While I would never confuse DD with Faulk, numbers don't lie. Good job, once again.
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While I would never confuse DD with Faulk, numbers don't lie. Good job, once again.
That's because the Faulk we remember is the Faulk who won the MVP or what ever. He was the same guy that won Superbowls, & did the 1000/1000 thing.
We don't remember what he did when he came into the league..... Tiki Barber, Shaun Alexander, Edgerrin James. DD has them all beat at the three year mark.... totally kills them, and most RBs in this league in all purpose yards. Except for a few........ special backs.


But he was a 4th round pick, so he'll never be anything.... at least that's what some people will think.

Even if the guy is over 30% of our offense.

And that's with bad coaching, and a poor offensive line.
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WOW great post thunderkyss, that bows my mind that they matched up so well. I would have never guessed. Looking at that, you have got to be asking yourself what are the texans thinking bringing in another running back?????? If recent history pretty much guarentees you are going to have injury problems with Bush, I dont see why we waste 60 million on the guy. If people say he is going to be the next Marshall Faulk, all you have to say is we already have the next Marshall faulk, D.D. has already proven he is just as good as Faulk in their first three seasons.
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WOW great post thunderkyss, that bows my mind that they matched up so well. I would have never guessed. Looking at that, you have got to be asking yourself what are the texans thinking bringing in another running back?????? If recent history pretty much guarentees you are going to have injury problems with Bush, I dont see why we waste 60 million on the guy. If people say he is going to be the next Marshall Faulk, all you have to say is we already have the next Marshall faulk, D.D. has already proven he is just as good as Faulk in their first three seasons.
& in the NFL, on a team that was just as pitiful as the Colts were when Faulk came into the league.


Reggie still has to prove that he can do what DD has.
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up until the three year mark, yeah. i'd call it a draw. but faulk was with the colts at that time, so none of this accounts for the explosion when he joined the rams. THAT is production DD does not have the capacity to match. he's not the home run threat and he doesnt have the athleticism. don't get me wrong, im a huge Davis fan. just pointing that out.

so basically the answer is that Davis is as good as Faulk during the early years. a poor man's Faulk. i'll take that anyday. even better yet would be a rich man's Faulk lined up on his side.
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that explosion had nothing to do with Kurt Warner?? Isaac Bruce, Tory Holt?? Ricky Proehl??

You know....... David Carr?? Andre Johnson, Eric Moulds, Keving Mathis?? well no Mathis is our Azhakim. Walter/Armstrong can be Ricky Proehl.

And DD is extremely athletic.... IMHO, he might not have the speed, but if David can get him close to the 50, he's a threat to score every time. Especially with a little zone blocking.
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Were you people also aware that in the 12 years Faulk has been in the league, he has only been able to stay healthy enough to finnish a complete 16 game season 4 times.
Only counting his prime years from rookie year to 2002
He had 16 games played 5 times. 94, 95, 97, 98, 99
14 games played 3 times. 00, 01, 02
13 games played 1 time. 96

During Faulk's first 9 years he has missed 9 games.

Dominick Davis has missed 8 games in his first 3 years. Which in a similar 9 year stretch would translate into 24 games missed.

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A couple of problems when comparing DD stats to Faulk's during his first 3 years in the league. Those were some of Faulk's three worst seasons in the NFL if you don't look at his recent production due to the decline in his game because of age.

Faulk Rushing

1994 314 1282 4.1
1995 289 1078 3.7
1996 198 587 3.0
1997 264 1054 4.0
1998 324 1319 4.1
1999 253 1381 5.5
2000 253 1359 5.4
2001 260 1382 5.3
2002 212 953 4.5

Faulk receiving:

1994 52 522 10.0
1995 56 475 8.5
1996 56 428 7.6
1997 47 471 10.0
1998 86 908 10.6
1999 87 1048 12.0
2000 81 830 10.2
2001 83 765 9.2
2002 80 537 6.7

Faulk was terribly misused in Indy, primarily in the passing game. Faulk has the receiving skill to run deep patterns and deep outs. Limiting him to short dump off passes limits his playmaking skills. Later on in his career with the Rams they moved him more to the slot and look at how his receiving numbers jumped.

Now you can argue that DD has only been limited to dump off receptions also, but there is no doubt in my mind that is the limit of his game. You can not move DD into the slot and expect him to succed. IMO, DD will never have the break away ability to average over 5 yards a carry like Faulk did either.

If the Texans use Bush properly then I believe he'll have the game to put up Faulk-like MVP numbers like he did during 99-01.
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the main reason I don't like the argument that Reggie is the next Faulk, is for all we know, we already have the next Faulk...... only bigger, and stronger, in DD. Look at the stats of the first three years of their carreers. Sure, DD is slower, & he can't take it to the house from 80 yards out........ at least he hasn't done it yet.

three years, total yards…….. Marshall 4372
Three years, total yards…….. Domanick 4471

Rushing yards
Marshall 1282yds/yr1 1079yds/yr2 587yds/yr3
Domanick 1031yds/yr1 1188yds/yr2 976yds/yr3

Avg YPC:
Marshall 4.1 yr1 3.7 yr2 3 yr3
Domanick 4.3 yr1 3.9 yr2 4.2 yr3

Longest run:
Marshall: 52 yrds 40 yrds 43 yrds
Domanick: 51yrds 44yrds 44yrds

TDs:
Marshall: 11 11 7 total 29
Domanick: 8 13 2 total 23


20+ yrd runs...
in his first 3 years, Marshall had 19 runs over 20 yrds, Domanick had 13

Recieving you say??
three years...
Marshall: 1425 yards, with only two reception going for more than 40 yards.
Domanick: 1276 yards with no receptions going for more than 40yards.

Before this season, I've heard people compare Domonick Davis to Emmitt Smith, and Marshall Faulk. The only real knock on him, is that he's missed a few games.


games played:
Marshall 16 yr1 16 yr2 13 yr3 45 total
Domanick 14 yr1 15 yr2 11 yr3 40 total

Domanick only missed 5 more games than Marshall did his first three years. He has more rushing yards, 150 yards less recieving.

If Reggie Bush is so great, because he is going to be the next Marshall Faulk, why do we need two Marshall Faulks??
Tell me where I can get some of the stuff you are smoking, it must be good if you think DD is anywhere close to being in Marshall Faulk's league.

You, yourself said that Faulk ran a 4.3 - Davis would be lucky to break 4.55. Davis has had MANY more injuries per years in the league than Faulk. Faulk changes games, Davis is a nice back when healthy. Its like comparing a Mercedes to a Chevy. There is nothing wrong with a Chevy, it is nice and sturdy (when the transmission is not going out), but still most would agree that a Mercedes is a more high end car.
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During Faulk's first 9 years he has missed 9 games.

Dominick Davis has missed 8 games in his first 3 years.
That means DD will only miss 1 game in the next 6 years!!!
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Keving Mathis?? well no Mathis is our Azhakim.
Jerome Mathis?
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here's an attempt to fit the numbers to your argument. numbers don't tell the whole story. davis isn't in faulk's league. as said before, davis is a good, solid back. i'd say at best he'll be a robert smith-type back. good for 3-4 yards per carry, with the occasional 30-yarder. nothing flashy.
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I think D.D. has just as much talent as M. Faulk. You can argue until you are blue in the face but the facts are facts. In his 12 year career Faulk has averaged 1023 yrds a season 8 rushing TD's a season and of 192 games he has only started 156 that means he has been out for 36 games, that mean he has been out over 2 years of that 12 year season. Domanik Davis has missed 12 games over the last three season but he is averaging 1065 yards a season and 7.6 TD a season. After Faulks first three years he only averaged 982 yards. Oh and Domanich Davis longest rushes rushes of 51 44 44 in his first three years Faulk had longest of 52 40 43. Do not even say that Domanick does not have the ability of Faulk, 40 times don't mean crap, D.D., Chad Johnson, Terrel Ownes, (all 4.57 40 comming into the NFL) have proven that point. Just my opinion but if we trade off Domanick to lets say Indy, I bet you we would see (St.Louis)-Faulk type numbers. I mean look what happend to Faulk when he left Indy!
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I think D.D. has just as much talent as M. Faulk.
When should I stop laughing at this remark?
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