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Old 08-23-2004   #21
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I got a chance to see the Texans game again. And I kept an eye on Babin (with the help of TIVO). He doesn't look horrible. He just looks passive. I saw this one play in the second quarter where he applied the pressure and forced Roethlisberger to roll to his right with Babin in hot pursuit. Then he sees a teammate come up in support and he takes himself out of the play. That is just one example but there were several others. Just not that noticable like the one mentioned before. I think the coaches will talk to him about that.
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...his ability to handle the TE and tackle blocking him head up
on rushing plays...
I've had a light bulb going off the past two weeks and, not commenting on Babin but rather 3-4 OLB's in general, would like to know what you all think.

OT's are getting bigger - much bigger - 6'-6", 6'-7", 320 lbs, 330 lbs and with humongous wingspans. And they're not slow and fat - they have quick feet and agility.

I see a developing mismatch with the 3-4 OLB; typically 6'-3" or 6'-4" and 260 lbs. They're giving up 3" in height and 60 lbs. and I'm not sure speed can fully compensate for this.

I think that, at a minimum, the position is going to be much harder to play than in the past.
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I've had a light bulb going off the past two weeks and, not commenting on Babin but rather 3-4 OLB's in general, would like to know what you all think.

OT's are getting bigger - much bigger - 6'-6", 6'-7", 320 lbs, 330 lbs and with humongous wingspans. And they're not slow and fat - they have quick feet and agility.

I see a developing mismatch with the 3-4 OLB; typically 6'-3" or 6'-4" and 260 lbs. They're giving up 3" in height and 60 lbs. and I'm not sure speed can fully compensate for this.

I think that, at a minimum, the position is going to be much harder to play than in the past.
Yeah, but just as those 6-7, 330 guys are developing incredible athleticism there are similar gains in the guys who are 6-4, 260. Everyone is getting stronger and faster.
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Babin and Peek seemed to be on opposite sides of the spectrum. Peek was all-out aggressive in getting to the passer, but at the sacrifice of his other responsibilites (contain, run-support, etc.) Babin on the otherhand seemed so focused on his responsibilities and not making a mistake that he didn't show any aggressiveness in his play. Good news is that both of those things should get better with more experience.
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OT's are getting bigger - much bigger - 6'-6", 6'-7", 320 lbs, 330 lbs and with humongous wingspans. And they're not slow and fat - they have quick feet and agility.

I see a developing mismatch with the 3-4 OLB; typically 6'-3" or 6'-4" and 260 lbs. They're giving up 3" in height and 60 lbs. and I'm not sure speed can fully compensate for this.
While that facially has some logic, I am not sure it bears up to actual play experience. Look at some of the top DE's at getting to the QB:

Ogunleye 260 lbs
Jason Taylor 255 lbs
Leonard Little 261 lbs
Aaron Schobel 262 lbs
Gbaja-Biamila 252 lbs
Lance Johnstone 250 lbs
Kearse 265 lbs
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Guys, come on, he's a freakin' ROOKIE! He's not even out of camp yet. I used this analogy last year and think it's appropriate for the rooks, regardless if they're selected in the 1st, or 5th round, for arguments sake. I don't know about those that started their chosen profession, ie physicians, engineers, attorneys (see plumbers), corporate execs, techies, plumbers, carpenters, land men, musicians, or politician. All I can say, is that when I first started to actually WORK for a living, I knew very little about the harsh realities of the job(s). I'd like to think I'm a reasonably bright guy and as a 21 year old KID, I was insufferable....more so than now, trust me. These guys know next to NOTHING about the NFL and the level of play that is required, to be not only successful, but a star in this league. Yes, the entire team, coaching staff and equipment manager had a horrid game, especially the rookies and 2nd and 3rd stringers. I think it's safe to say that aj is one of the most objective and analytical Texans fan that posts, follows the team, attends open practices and obviously attends/watches every Texans game and then reviews it again on tape, or DVD. His post indicates what HE thinks regarding some weaknesses, in regards to Babin. He knows ALOT more than I do, when it comes to the personnel and the makeup of this VERY young team. The day I see him panic, along with Vinny, EA, CnD, Gr8, BPA and a few others, I might start to worry. Don't get me wrong, I expect alot more from the TEXANS this year, but to start ripping apart 1st/2nd rounders (as I did with Gaffney his rookie year), or scream for Palmer/Capers to go, is just plain moronic and you are reacting on a very base level. You know, EMOTIONALLY? Think of when you were 21, or 22 and walked into the office, or onto the job site for the first few weeks, months, or in some situations,were tossed into a mental ward. You were scared, confused and realized that theory, applications and hyperbole were a far cry from execution at a high level, on any kind of consistent basis. There were guys that ran circles around you, based on experience alone. Give the rooks some time. As far as the team is concerned, I'm still saying 8-9 wins, if healthy.
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Hey calm down, big guy! Sounds like you are getting too personal about this subject. Some people see it like you, some people see it other ways. So be it. But I think your argument about him being a rookie holds no weight with me. Not that i'd compare this player to Babin but Kearse in his rookie year was a monster. But he could have been scared too. All this being said, I still love my Texans no matter what.
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Kearse hasn't done much after that though. I sure would like to see Babin not have a hot season like that but have 10 more seasons with us at a Pro Bowl level.

For those of us who don't like what they see out of Babin, I want yall to remember how most of you were so adimant about replacing Foreman with Wong. How many of you would like to see Wong back at his natural position now?

Give the kid some time.
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I finally was able to watch the game. The score was aweful, but I thought the offense played as well as expected given the plays they had to run. I did not quite get the point of running 2nd and 16, but I am not the coach. Maybe the Steelers gameplanned for this a little more than the Texans. I could tell by that third drive that this offense is capable of moving the ball. That is all I had to see. The defense did make them punt a couple times. The most embarressing play was by Foreman when that 2nd string back brushed him off and blew bye him. I just wonder if that is a wake up for him. Realistically I would have thought he would have been meeting the rusher at the LOS instead of 5 yards past. Other than that play I will just take the game for what it is. Can't wait til Friday.

BTW Babin is a rookie. Ask me about him in week 8.
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Babin is on the injury list WHATS THAT? They said he's is a game time descion, what's his injury?
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I see Marcus Bell was added today but can't find anything on Babin
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BABIN: (1) New position, (2) trying to learn his reads and the offenses he will encounter his first year, and (3), the speed of the NFL, are all daunting problems for a rook just coming into the league. Just Give Him Time! Also he will be learning from one of the best coaching staffs in the league.
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abdominal strain..I hear he probably may not play vs Denver. Happened in the Pitt game.

Capers said linebackers Jason Babin and Antwan Peek and offensive lineman Fred Weary have practiced on a limited basis and will be game time decisions.
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Sounds like Babin will play Friday until it starts bothering him. The game is on at 2am EST on NFL network Friday night / Saturday morning tape delay.
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At least there is no pressure on Babin. The team he plays for gave up quite a bit for him, he is a rookie in 2nd preseasongame and all the fans are so understanding! I agree with edo 783, do not expect much until end of season or 2005. He has never played a full regular season game with the other starters. Now Kailee Wong? Another story! Can't make it on the left and can't make it on the right. Good at pass coverage, but that is what corners & safeties are for.
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I see Marcus Bell was added today but can't find anything on Babin
Just heard on ESPN News that Marcus Bell was placed on Injured Reserve. Guess that shoulder injury was more serious than first thought.
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He's a rookie, what do you expect is my take on it.

He's done pretty good IMO.
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