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Old 04-09-2006   #1
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Carr driven by last year's 2-14 disaster

Can y'all do me the utmost favor and read the this column please? Because there is a blurb in there that made me yell out loud, "What the hell?"
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"We've started from scratch," Calhoun said, "beginning with how to break the huddle, cadence, calling certain routes."

In other words, everything.

Carr is the key to Kubiak's success. He was his first tough choice, and even after Reggie Bush arrives and even with all the new talent, Carr still has to play better.

"We want to make things clear for him," Calhoun said, "and he's cognizant of the fact that he must play better. I can't emphasize enough how strong his appetite to learn is."

Ask Carr what's different about his new offense and he answers simply.

"I have to do less," he said. "I go through my reads. I look one place. If it's not open, I go to the next read."

He'll be asked to speed up everything, including getting out of the huddle and lining up.
Now, I know I'm dumber than a box of rocks most of the time, but what was he supposed to do before, when the the first read was not open? If the option was to dump it off, how was that "less"?

I don't understand that. Can someone help me with that, please?
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I really don't like the way the media and others are saying that Carr will be the key to Kubiak's success, I thought Reeves, McNair, and Cass had agreed on keeping Carr as well. And if Carr does fail I really don't see how Kubiak could be blamed.
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I really don't like the way the media and others are saying that Carr will be the key to Kubiak's success, I thought Reeves, McNair, and Cass had agreed on keeping Carr as well. And if Carr does fail I really don't see how Kubiak could be blamed.
Like the article says, keeping Carr (assuming that is the decision as it appears) was Kubiak's 1st and most important decision. Plus he was hired as a QB guru. That image will be severely tarnished if Carr turns in another year like last year.
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The reason for Carr's quote of him doing less is because further up the page it reads: "The Texans used the first pick of the 2002 draft — the first pick the team had — on Carr. And then they almost guaranteed he would fail. Thanks, Dom Capers. And you, too, Charley Casserly and Bob McNair. Nice work, fellas.

They never protected their young quarterback. They ran a system more complex than some 10-year veterans run. They failed to put enough talent around him. Imagine how good Troy Aikman would have been without Emmitt Smith, Daryl Johnston and Jay Novacek."

Interesting piece though. I'm excited for the season to start.
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Like the article says, keeping Carr (assuming that is the decision as it appears) was Kubiak's 1st and most important decision. Plus he was hired as a QB guru. That image will be severely tarnished if Carr turns in another year like last year.
All I am saying is how does anyone know Carr is not damaged beyond repair due to the last coaching regime?
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I really don't like the way the media and others are saying that Carr will be the key to Kubiak's success, I thought Reeves, McNair, and Cass had agreed on keeping Carr as well. And if Carr does fail I really don't see how Kubiak could be blamed.
Well, as much as I detest participating in any sort of blame game, I will say this. I don't think Kubiak would have felt comfortable being the HC if he couldn't decide who he wanted for quarterback. It was Kubiak's choice. I'm confident of that.
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All I am saying is how does anyone know Carr is not damaged beyond repair due to the last coaching regime?
We don't but presumably Kubiak has considered that and made the judgment that Carr is not and can be improved. I'm not saying it is entirely fair, but with QB's being his forte plus the opportunity to have had a phenominal talent like VY, a failure to get a dramatic improvement out of Carr will be held against him.
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Well, as much as I detest participating in any sort of blame game, I will say this. I don't think Kubiak would have felt comfortable being the HC if he couldn't decide who he wanted for quarterback. It was Kubiak's choice. I'm confident of that.
I agree, I am just worried about the possible damage done to Carr over the last 4 seasons. But if Carr does fail, I hope the fans don't try to chase Kubiak out of towns with pitchforks like some have wanted to do with others in the organization in the past. Now if we don't see improvement from the team in the next couple of seasons then I'll start "blaming" Kubiak.
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Huh? The "system" was so complex, fans knew what play was going to be run prior to the snap. Not to mention the opposing defense. Easily the most predictable NFL offense I've ever seen. But it was complex, Richard? Right.

I guess this is the obliquitory kiss & makeup article after Justice has slammed Carr since the Rose Bowl. Talk about predictable.
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The reason for Carr's quote of him doing less is because further up the page it reads: "The Texans used the first pick of the 2002 draft — the first pick the team had — on Carr. And then they almost guaranteed he would fail. Thanks, Dom Capers. And you, too, Charley Casserly and Bob McNair. Nice work, fellas.
I still don't understand that quote. It implied that he wasn't supposed to look for an alternate receiver if the primary wasn't open. Maybe I'm just taking it out of context or something, but man, I just found that to be very strange.
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That image will be severely tarnished if Carr turns in another year like last year.
Carr having another year like last year is sooo not possible-surely even the law of averages is against that. Given the new coaching, his new work ethic, new players and new plays plus the fact that he knows this is his last chance or he might as well go sell football uniforms to pop warner leagues - he has to be better than 2-14. I think he will be much better - but - worse case scenario - he will be good enough and the running game will take us to a winning season...or close.
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"We want to make things clear for him," Calhoun said, "and he's cognizant of the fact that he must play better. I can't emphasize enough how strong his appetite to learn is."

Ask Carr what's different about his new offense and he answers simply.

"I have to do less," he said. "I go through my reads. I look one place. If it's not open, I go to the next read."

Now, I know I'm dumber than a box of rocks most of the time, but what was he supposed to do before, when the the first read was not open? If the option was to dump it off, how was that "less"?

I don't understand that. Can someone help me with that, please?
That was Carr saying he will do less....... Maybe he felt he was supposed to do something... by time, make a play..... ??

What gets me, is that Calhoun says Carr has got to play better. I don't understand why I and others get slammed all the time, when we talk about the things Carr isn't doing as well as he should(heck, i've been accused of making things up). We're not talking about INTs, or the Majority of the sacks, but the things he is doing, that he shouldn't be.

Of course we criticize his play, at least I do, because I want to draft another QB. We've got problems at QB, let's consider drafting a QB with the #1 overall. There's some sweet talent at the top of this draft, at the QB position.

But it's ok to draft a RB with the #1 overall...... but we don't have a problem @ running back..... we don't, or we didn't. Yes, DD got hurt from time to time..... but we had wells, and we have Morency....... the only problem here, is they aren't threats to score if you're on the wrong side of the 50.

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I really don't like the way the media and others are saying that Carr will be the key to Kubiak's success, I thought Reeves, McNair, and Cass had agreed on keeping Carr as well. And if Carr does fail I really don't see how Kubiak could be blamed.
The same way they blamed Capers, Palmer, and Pendry, but Carr comes out un-scathed.....

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All I am saying is how does anyone know Carr is not damaged beyond repair due to the last coaching regime?
I see what you're saying now......

maybe they'll be saying Kubiak bit off more than he could chew, and should have known better.


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I still don't understand that quote. It implied that he wasn't supposed to look for an alternate receiver if the primary wasn't open. Maybe I'm just taking it out of context or something, but man, I just found that to be very strange.
Carr's been criticized for staring down his target..... I think that may have been because he thought he was supposed to make something out of nothing. Now, he's being told to move on.

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Carr having another year like last year is sooo not possible-surely even the law of averages is against that. Given the new coaching, his new work ethic, new players and new plays plus the fact that he knows this is his last chance or he might as well go sell football uniforms to pop warner leagues - he has to be better than 2-14. I think he will be much better - but - worse case scenario - he will be good enough and the running game will take us to a winning season...or close.

It's not the 2-14 season that Carr is being judged by, but the way he played in that 2-14 effort. He looked as bad as our linemen looking for someone to block.
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The same way they blamed Capers, Palmer, and Pendry, but Carr comes out un-scathed.....
The only coach from the old regime that has a job right now elsewhere is Capers, and with all of the coaches being fired, quitting, and moving around this past season in the NFL, Pendry, Palmer, and Fangio still being unemployed should tell you something.
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...Pendry, Palmer, and Fangio still being unemployed should tell you something.
Palmer got an assistant job in Dallas.
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Palmer got an assistant job in Dallas.
You're right, I forgot, Pendry and Fangio are still jobless though.
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You're right, I forgot, Pendry and Fangio are still jobless though.
I'd have fired Pendry before I fired Palmer...... not that Palmer was doing a stellar job or anything.
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...I will say this.
Is that you Coach Capers?
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Huh? The "system" was so complex, fans knew what play was going to be run prior to the snap. Not to mention the opposing defense. Easily the most predictable NFL offense I've ever seen. But it was complex, Richard? Right.
The first 3 years had a lot of reading and adjusting during offensive plays. Last year was simplified to almost nothing.
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Marcus, my take on it from that little blurb that could very well be taken out of context is that Carr meant in the past he'd watch the primary receiver to see if he came open, even if he wasn't immediately open, and then if he didn't he dumped it down. Not the best thing to do in the world, but I think that's what Carr was implying.
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"We want to make things clear for him," Calhoun said, "and he's cognizant of the fact that he must play better. I can't emphasize enough how strong his appetite to learn is."
finally, a Coach identifies the fact of what alot of us say about Carr.

Course we are only MB people and know nothing, its obviously ALL the O-lines fault.
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