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Old 04-05-2006   #1
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Prior to this offseason, I was among those who thought charlie casserly a bum. I wanted him out of this organization.
But this offseason, he let kubiak pick who he wanted. he pursued kubiak's wants, and for the most part, he succeeded. This caused me to take a step back. Could it be that cass wasn't such a bad gm after all?! Maybe it was all Dom Capers fault? Talk about a paradigm shift.


Recap: Dom was bad. Kubiak seems good. Maybe our coach is the lens through which we see our GM.
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ya but a good GM doesn't hire a crappy coach, doesn't let his coach run his team into the ground and stiffle talent development.

other than that Cass has come up roses
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Powerfuldragon--

Well put. I feel exactly the same way. I enjoyed being a casserly hater and I'm going through withdrawls now but this offseason speaks for itself. The man did a good job. Well, i guess its good news- another good new addition to the organization-casserly with a new personality.

You know how women often reflect the views/goals of thier men and support them- I think its the same way with casserly. He got a new man who brought out the best in him.ie-Casserly is a reflection of his coach as you said.

So really he's a good B*%$H, He just had a bad man
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IMHO Casserly's behavior is consistent with what was surmised about him when Capers was fired and he spoke out a bit.

What I remember the summation on his GM style was:
The coach dictated the FA and high round draft picks and Casserly was free to gamble on the lower round and supplemental draft picks.
In fact, I remember that there was stipulation that Casserly was kept on board after Capers dismissal only if he'd grow a pair and standup to the next coach.

Since Capers was determined to build through the draft and not FA (and often wasted cap money on extensions of loyal players contracts), and articles on the Texans scouting department have shown a disparity between the size of thier college and FA scout pools, I guess it would make sense that FA acquisitons were nominal to bust status in the past.

How the Texans were able to sign all these FA's with a rookie HC and a 2-14 season, I don't know. Unless Kubiak is that well respected by even journeyman players in the league. Also, there is the factor that McNair has opened the purse strings like never before.

But if Kubiak is saying "I want these guys." Then Charlie has shown in the past thet he is going to try to get them.

So in conclusion: Casserly still hasn't grown a pair, but with Kubes in the mix, it may be a good thing.
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This is likely to be one of those threads that will likely be funny in retrospect.

What date in the season does the full-on Kubiak bashing begin? Because in the NFL, it is not a question of if that happens, it is a question of when.

I'd have y'all pick a date sometime next year for the Casserly bashing but I am guessing he will be gone after the draft is done. Actually, there are likely going to be some draft moves that some people won't be happy with because there always are.
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IMO Casserly will be the scapegoat if Young isn't drafted by the Texans (regardless of how Bush performs) .... it's probably a good thing that he's moving on ....
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Funny how y'all are ready to enshrine these new coaches into the Hall of Fame, and they haven't even started training camp yet.

As for Casserly, he's no different now, as he was a year ago, the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that . . . . . . .

Ok, lemme get this straight.

He does what he's told, or should I say, complies with the requests, by the new coaching staff, and he's a good GM?

But in the previous years, he does what he's told, or should I say, complies with the requests, by the Capers' staff, and he's a bad GM?

Yeah. Makes perfect sense to me.:brickwall :brickwall
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Given that we haven't had the draft, or even played a preseason game, I can only look at the FA period. If he truly is the mastermind technician behind the trades and FA pick-ups, then he might not be too bad. He has made some bad decisions in the past during the draft on some reaches, but has also shown flashes of smarts. Perhaps this is the reason that GM's get two coaches before they are fired.
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I personally think that Cass has done a solid job at getting the moves done, getting the deals taken care of. I just wonder that with a majority of the moves being made addressing the offense, if the draft will be filled with more defensive picks?
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This is likely to be one of those threads that will likely be funny in retrospect.

What date in the season does the full-on Kubiak bashing begin? Because in the NFL, it is not a question of if that happens, it is a question of when.

I'd have y'all pick a date sometime next year for the Casserly bashing but I am guessing he will be gone after the draft is done. Actually, there are likely going to be some draft moves that some people won't be happy with because there always are.
Easy. On the day of the 1st loss.
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I personally think that Cass has done a solid job at getting the moves done, getting the deals taken care of. I just wonder that with a majority of the moves being made addressing the offense, if the draft will be filled with more defensive picks?
I'm thinking there will be at least 2 offensive pick, maybe a 3rd. RB, OT and maybe an OG. Minus the 7 for Walter and the 4/5 for Moulds, theres still 3-4 picks for defense.
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Picks:

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#65
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At #33 I suspect they will find a high quality lineman prospect, probably a tackle. #65 and 66 will give them the option to pick up solid DB and OG prospects. #98 will be intriguing because they can still land a great prospect (at any position. That's also the 1st pick of the 2nd day.) The 6th and 7th rounders can be used on whoever. Maybe they can find a lineman who fits the profile for the zone blocking scheme in those last two rounds, someone who teams have focused too much on what he can't do and not on what he can do well.

I think #33, #65, #66, and #98 will be weighted towards the Oline and the secondary. But there's still room to take a prospect at any position if they feel strongly about him. It's great that they have that extra pick within the top 100. That made the 5th rounder a little more expendable, IMO.
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For those of you scoring at home, the 6th rounder will be the 170th pick in the draft and the 7th rounder will be the 251st pick.

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For those of you scoring at home, the 6th rounder will be the 170th pick in the draft and the 7th rounder will be the 251st pick.

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Is that 251 the 7th we traded for Walter or the supplementary pick?
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Is that 251 the 7th we traded for Walter or the supplementary pick?

It's the supplemental.
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It's the GM's job to evaluate talent, over see opporations, maintain quality control.

He has failed at that for the last four years.

He let Sharper go, Glenne go, signed Bradford......twice, thrown aways two years worth of draft picks with Babin and Pbuc, over paid for such steller players like Greenwood and Wade, had Derrick Johnson in his grasp and traded down to pick up a back up tackle in Travis Johnson, has yet to address the O-line.

So no he hasen't done a good job. If he is going to go with all of the coach'e recomendations then why even have a GM? If you let the coach build the team then let the coach be both.

but that is just my opinion.
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It's the GM's job to evaluate talent, over see opporations, maintain quality control.

He has failed at that for the last four years.

He let Sharper go, Glenne go, signed Bradford......twice, thrown aways two years worth of draft picks with Babin and Pbuc, over paid for such steller players like Greenwood and Wade, had Derrick Johnson in his grasp and traded down to pick up a back up tackle in Travis Johnson, has yet to address the O-line.

So no he hasen't done a good job. If he is going to go with all of the coach'e recomendations then why even have a GM? If you let the coach build the team then let the coach be both.

but that is just my opinion.

You still need someone to handle the negotiations with players, manage the cap, make the trades, and make the picks. The major problem is when the coach's vision just isn't there (ie Capers). I'd be more worried about a GM who is warring with the coaching staff.
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The biggest mistake this team made was hiring Capers and then compounding the error of that hire by 'buying' into Caper's BS. Capers said all the right things when they needed to be said--'gotta put teams away/gotta score early/gotta stretch the field/gotta be aggressive,etc.etc.'--but that was only 'lip service' as he never intended to change anything. Remember, as Dom told us over and over, his philosophies were not the problem--execution was...

It is not easy trying to figure out Casserly's role in the 'mess that was,' but I believe it was more Caper's doing than anyone elses. Trying, as Capers did so often, to put round pegs in square holes is not going to work and-too- it's kinda hard to learn/correct your mistakes if (like Capers believed) you never make any...let's hope for brighter days ahead!

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Recap: Dom was bad. Kubiak seems good. Maybe our coach is the lens through which we see our GM.
I have said this all along. Cass got the bad rap from Dom. This is why Cass is still with us for now.
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What date in the season does the full-on Kubiak bashing begin?
Kubiak sucks!!! It's already April 5th and this team hasn't even drafted anybody yet! :brickwall

PS-By the way, when is draft day exactly?

PSS-Nevermind, I found it with Google: April 29-30 - NFL Draft ’06 –Radio City Hall, New York City, New York

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