Kubiak's Ultimate Challenge

[Tha_Tinman]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that drafting Vince Young would be Coach Kubiak's ultimate challenge!

Why? Think about it ...underneath it all he's a QUARTERBACK's COACH ...he's played the position (Broncos), he's played with one of the best (Elway), and as a coach he's largely responsible for turning a guy's career around (Plummer). Been there ...done that! Right?

Next challenge? Turn ANOTHER guy's career around? I think not! I think the risk is too high ...If he tries and fails with Carr ...then, in my opinion he begins to lose some of that credit that he got with Plummer. Ya know, maybe Plummer just sucked it up on his own ...that kinda talk. I say he cut from that mold and do what the critics say is gonna take year's of expert coaching to do ..........

MAKE VINCE YOUNG THE SUPERSTAR THAT EVERYONE SWEARS HE HAS THE ABILITY TO BE!

And do it with some efficiency ...i.e. within 2 years ...i.e. redshirt him his rookie season ...and start him in '07

Davis and Morency can handle the RB load ...we need a charismatic leader that players and fans are gonna follow! I think Vince is our man and Kubiak's Greatest Challenge!

[KSig44]

And what if Young craps out and Carr goes somewhere else and becomes a pro bowler. I feel that the risk kubes has in Carr is less than Young. With Carr the investment is low, if he busts, he busts. he was heading that way anyways. With Young it's his project. If he busts it's all on Kubes. Bush is still the better pick for the overall team no matter how many ways you VY fans slice it.

[jacquescas]

Kubiack isn't looking for a challenege. getting a 2-14 team respectable again is challenge enough.

I think he needs to use a pick that he can "set and forget'"

[texasguy346]

Kubiak's Ultimate Challenge is bringing the Texans back to respectability this next season, and quite possibly making a push for the playoffs within the next few seasons. That will bring him a ton more respect around the league than bringing in VY, an already phenomenally talented QB, and making him successful in the NFL.

Making VY a successful QB isn't much of a challenge at all. There are many coaches and OC around the league that would be capable of achieving that feat, but not many would be capable of turning around a beleagured franchise like the Texans. I have faith that Kubiak knows what's best for this organization, and what will get them back on track.

[Tha_Tinman]

Originally Posted by KSig44

And what if Young craps out and Carr goes somewhere else and becomes a pro bowler. I feel that the risk kubes has in Carr is less than Young. With Carr the investment is low, if he busts, he busts. he was heading that way anyways. With Young it's his project. If he busts it's all on Kubes. Bush is still the better pick for the overall team no matter how many ways you VY fans slice it.

That's Why It's Called a CHALLENGE! The word connotates that there is some risk involved. If Carr goes somewhere else and become's a pro bowler then we congratulate him and his family. They were all good for Houston the past few years.

Besides, I think we should keep Carr for next season and bring Vince up slowly ...so hey ...maybe good ole Kubes can do BOTH!

[KSig44]

Young won't start first year no matter where he goes, he couldn't gasp the UT playbook in a year (or two years), how in the hell will he grasp an NFL playbook in a training camp? You forget he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, how many brain farts was he good for during UT's season 2 years ago? The picks, the turnovers. He will need time. This is another reason he won't fit here, McNair want's to win now. Not in 3 years when VY will be ready.:brickwall

[Tha_Tinman]

Originally Posted by texasguy346

Kubiak's Ultimate Challenge is bringing the Texans back to respectability this next season, and quite possibly making a push for the playoffs within the next few seasons. That will bring him a ton more respect around the league than bringing in VY, an already phenomenally talented QB, and making him successful in the NFL.

Making VY a successful QB isn't much of a challenge at all. There are many coaches and OC around the league that would be capable of achieving that feat, but not many would be capable of turning around a beleagured franchise like the Texans. I have faith that Kubiak knows what's best for this organization, and what will get them back on track.

As do I! Call it selfish ...but for some reason, as a fan of the game, I'd prefer he did it with Vince.

Hey, its still not too late to make a trade for that #2 pick ....#1 pick AND #2 pick ...you thinking what I'm thinking? LOL!

[jgite]

Originally Posted by KSig44

Young won't start first year no matter where he goes, he couldn't gasp the UT playbook in a year (or two years), how in the hell will he grasp an NFL playbook in a training camp? You forget he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, how many brain farts was he good for during UT's season 2 years ago? The picks, the turnovers. He will need time. This is another reason he won't fit here, McNair want's to win now. Not in 3 years when VY will be ready.:brickwall

Actually Vince got the playbook in a redshirt year. He never had issues with the playbook. The playcalling and the schemes didn't fit his playing style

[KSig44]

And yet he has played about 2 1/2 years and only looked comfortable for 1. His big knock was reading and understanding playbooks, it doesn't go away because he finally learned the UT offense in 3 years.

[Tha_Tinman]

Originally Posted by KSig44

And yet he has played about 2 1/2 years and only looked comfortable for 1. His big knock was reading and understanding playbooks, it doesn't go away because he finally learned the UT offense in 3 years.

Find me a QB that read the playbook and "GOT IT" the first time around ...or even after a year. Did that QB EVER lead the nation in QB efficiency? Back to Back Rosebowl Victories? Game MVP in one or both of those games? How bout a National Championship?

If Vince needs time ...WE WAIT !!!!!

[KSig44]

Not hard to lead in QB rating when you play dump off for most of your pass plays. And no, QB's take a while learning playbooks, but not 2-3 years to grasp the basics. Mack Brown even said they scrapped the playbook and went with a "simplified" one that led to VY strengths. Basically saying he wasn't getting the plays and they went with one that was 4-5 basic plays with his scrambling. Here is his playlist

Handoff (left or right)
dumpoff to RB (left or right)
pass to TE
playaction pass to TE
pass to WR (against the KU and Baylors of the world)
and the bread and butter
RUN!!!

[Tha_Tinman]

Originally Posted by KSig44

Not hard to lead in QB rating when you play dump off for most of your pass plays. And no, QB's take a while learning playbooks, but not 2-3 years to grasp the basics. Mack Brown even said they scrapped the playbook and went with a "simplified" one that led to VY strengths. Basically saying he wasn't getting the plays and they went with one that was 4-5 basic plays with his scrambling. Here is his playlist

Handoff (left or right)
dumpoff to RB (left or right)
pass to TE
playaction pass to TE
pass to WR (against the KU and Baylors of the world)
and the bread and butter
RUN!!!

Big Deal!
If you havta run one play over and over ...if you can do it good enough to win a championship ...Lets get it done!

[KSig44]

I don't disagree Tha, but that won't work in the NFL. Ask Ty Detmer. Ask David Klingler or Andre Ware. They did well in college and where are they now?

[tulexan]

Vince was actually 3rd in QB efficiency.

Rudy Carpenter from Arizona State and Brian Brohm from Louisville were ahead of him.

[Tha_Tinman]

Originally Posted by tulexan

Vince was actually 3rd in QB efficiency.

Rudy Carpenter from Arizona State and Brian Brohm from Louisville were ahead of him.

That is the biggest crock of cow dung I've ever heard. Everybody knows that Vince Young was the Efficiency leader!!!!!!

Wasn't he?

[chuckm]

Originally Posted by Tha_Tinman

That is the biggest crock of cow dung I've ever heard. Everybody knows that Vince Young was the Efficiency leader!!!!!!

Wasn't he?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...QB_RATING.html


crock of cow dung?

[jgite]

They installed the zone read formation halfway through the 2004 season, so its was more like he mastered it in 1 1/2 seasons. How many QB's you know can basically learn a new offense in the middle of the season and almost get maximum results. BTW they never had the zone read at Madison, they ran mostly under the center.

P.S. Vince lead the nation in efficiency unti the Rose Bowl, his 30-40 267 yard performance caused him to drop to third

[MasterC25]

Originally Posted by jgite

Actually Vince got the playbook in a redshirt year. He never had issues with the playbook. The playcalling and the schemes didn't fit his playing style

Well in the NFL they don't design the playbook to fit for only on player only. If he could adjust to Mack Brown scheme how the hell will he adjust to Kubes scheme. Does that make sense. Not even the colts designed there playbook to only fit Manning, much less some other team do that for Vince Young.

[MasterC25]

Originally Posted by Tha_Tinman

Find me a QB that read the playbook and "GOT IT" the first time around ...or even after a year. Did that QB EVER lead the nation in QB efficiency? Back to Back Rosebowl Victories? Game MVP in one or both of those games? How bout a National Championship?

If Vince needs time ...WE WAIT !!!!!

Have you heard of Matt Leinart he did "pretty" well in his first year.

[jgite]

Originally Posted by MasterC25

Well in the NFL they don't design the playbook to fit for only on player only. If he could adjust to Mack Brown scheme how the hell will he adjust to Kubes scheme. Does that make sense. Not even the colts designed there playbook to only fit Manning, much less some other team do that for Vince Young.

Well for the Kubiak scheme he is tailor-made for it. It has a lot of roll outs, naked bootlegs, and play action. More or less a lot of throws on the run, and frankly that is what Vince is an expert of off. Kubiak said it himself thats what he wants to do is to move the pocket. Every team can retrofit their schemes to match the personnel. Are you trying to say that the Colts offense doesn't take advantage of Mannings strengths?
The NFL has a bad habit of not changing with the times anyway in my opinion. It was a thread on here quoting Brian Billick about the NFL downgraded VY because they don't know exactly what to do. The Falcons are already stating that they are going to be looking at Texas film to try to borrow some formations and plays for Vick. Put him in the Kubiak offense and see what he could do.