Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > The National Football League
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


The National Football League League News & Current Events

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-02-2006   #1
bad
Veteran
 
bad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 352
Rep Power: 12 bad is on the Pro-Bowl ballotbad is on the Pro-Bowl ballot
Default Cloak and dagger in New England? Stephen Neal

Texans | Casserly feels Neal was never really a free agent
Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:28:18 -0700


Ron Borges, of the Boston Globe, reports Houston Texans general manager Charley Casserly felt agent Jonathan Hurst never really allowed New England Patriots OL Stephen Neal to truly become a free agent. Casserly was among several teams pursuing Neal and he thought the Texans had a good chance of landing him. Casserly grew suspicious of the legitimacy of Neal's free agency after Hurst canceled a meeting with the Texans. According to Casserly, Hurst told him, ''It's just not going to work out." Casserly asked how it could since the team had yet to meet with Neal or make a formal offer. When Hurst refused to bring Neal to Houston, Casserly said he was going to call the player directly. ''I left a message on his cell phone," Casserly said. Neal never returned the call and he re-signed with the Patriots for what Casserly said was less money than the Texans would have offered him.

---sorry, wrong forum. Mods, feel free to move this.
bad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2006   #2
aj.
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,769
Rep Power: 658 aj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Dang.....for a minute I thought our old friend Jean (CND) was back ... oh well. Maybe he's here but just incognito?
aj. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2006   #3
TMac48
Veteran
 
TMac48's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: College Station
Age: 29
Posts: 179
Rep Power: 11 TMac48 is ridin' the pine
Send a message via AIM to TMac48
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aj.
Dang.....for a minute I thought our old friend Jean (CND) was back ... oh well. Maybe he's here but just incognito?
That's exactly what I thought.
__________________
"Bite the hand that feeds you and it will backslap."
- Ihategeeks
TMac48 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2006   #4
bad
Veteran
 
bad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 352
Rep Power: 12 bad is on the Pro-Bowl ballotbad is on the Pro-Bowl ballot
Default

Sorry guys. Brain fart.

I remember CnD from way back. It's been awhile.

I'm sure he had nothing to do with any of this Patriot duplicity.
bad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2006   #5
Raging Bull
Rookie
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Richmond
Age: 38
Posts: 4
Rep Power: 0 Raging Bull is ridin' the pine
Default Stephen Neal

Took the below copy and paste from a website. What could have been.


Truly a 'free' agent?
Hometown discounts are one thing. Unfair advantages are something else. Houston general manager Charley Casserly believes he knows the difference. Casserly was among several teams pursuing Patriots guard Stephen Neal and he thought the Texans had a good chance of landing him. Then the negotiations ended before they ever started, and Casserly smelled a rat. Neal is represented by Jonathan Hurst, an associate whose office address and phone number are the same as his employer, longtime agent Neil Cornrich. Cornrich is under a one-year suspension by the Players Association for using NFLPA information against the estate of the late Derrick Thomas in a wrongful death suit following the auto accident that took Thomas's life. He has long been closely associated with Patriots coach Bill Belichick, once boasting on his website that he was Belichick's agent and acknowledging that he did work as his attorney. Patriots kicker Adam Vinatieri fired Cornrich after Cornrich's suspension and said he was ''going with someone in Neil's office." That was Hurst, but Vinatieri turned to Gary Uberstine (Willie McGinest's agent) after having doubts that Hurst was considering all the options available to him. It seemed to Vinatieri that Hurst was pushing him back to New England. Whether Hurst was or not, Vinatieri told people in Green Bay he feared that was the case. After two weeks of getting nowhere, Uberstine was hired, and less than a week later, he had Vinatieri signed to the fattest contract for a kicker in NFL history. With that as background, Casserly grew suspicious of the legitimacy of Neal's free agency after Hurst canceled a meeting with the Texans. According to Casserly, Hurst told him, ''It's just not going to work out." Casserly asked how it could since the team had yet to meet with Neal or make a formal offer. When Hurst refused to bring Neal to Houston, Casserly said he was going to call the player directly. ''I left a message on his cellphone," Casserly said. ''I don't know if he got it or not. I never got to talk to Steve. But our offer was a signing bonus between $5 million and $6 million. It probably would have ended up at $5.5 million. The average of the [four-year] deal would have been $3 million a season, including the signing bonus. Go look what they signed him for." The Patriots signed Neal to a four-year contract worth $10.5 million that included a signing bonus of $3.2 million and base salaries of $600,000 in 2006, $1.7 million in '07, $2.1 million in '08, and $2.5 million in '09. The contract includes four yearly workout bonuses of $106,160. The bigger point, in Casserly's mind, was that such deals usually end up being only two-year contracts before they're renegotiated or the player is terminated. If that happens, Neal's deal will bring him a total in bonuses and salary of $5.7 million from the Patriots, only $200,000 more than his signing bonus alone would have been in Houston. ''You figure out what happened," Casserly said. ''He was never really a free agent. It was all just for show." Whatever it was, it was a good deal for the Patriots, who signed Neal to a deal roughly $1.5 million less than he would have received in Houston.
__________________

The Kirk Ferentz Era!
Raging Bull is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2006   #6
ledzeppelin229
Hall of Fame
 
ledzeppelin229's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Spring / San Marcos, TX
Age: 29
Posts: 6,829
Rep Power: 712 ledzeppelin229 is a quality contributor and well respectedledzeppelin229 is a quality contributor and well respectedledzeppelin229 is a quality contributor and well respectedledzeppelin229 is a quality contributor and well respectedledzeppelin229 is a quality contributor and well respectedledzeppelin229 is a quality contributor and well respectedledzeppelin229 is a quality contributor and well respectedledzeppelin229 is a quality contributor and well respectedledzeppelin229 is a quality contributor and well respectedledzeppelin229 is a quality contributor and well respectedledzeppelin229 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to ledzeppelin229
Default

Do you have a link for the actual site? Might as well get it out now if you can since the Mods are going to be asking for it next.

If it's true, that's very interesting and suspicious. Can't really call anyone out on it with just that information, but it's still interesting.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorn
godzmn young fomkss are slow. they can all kissmy ass.

ledzeppelin229 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2006   #7
Raging Bull
Rookie
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Richmond
Age: 38
Posts: 4
Rep Power: 0 Raging Bull is ridin' the pine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ledzeppelin269
Do you have a link for the actual site? Might as well get it out now if you can since the Mods are going to be asking for it next.

If it's true, that's very interesting and suspicious. Can't really call anyone out on it with just that information, but it's still interesting.
Not the exact link, however...it back's it up.....below


http://www.kffl.com/player/1176/nfl
__________________

The Kirk Ferentz Era!
Raging Bull is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 04-03-2006   #8
stevo3883
All Pro
 
stevo3883's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: h-town
Age: 34
Posts: 733
Rep Power: 10 stevo3883 is ridin' the pine
Default

its a shame because neal is a disgusting athlete.

i followed him in college and after. the guy won world's in 1999 and was the favorite to win the olympic gold in 2000. he had a ferocious double leg takedown on monster 285lb guys.

no college experience and just walked into the NFL.
__________________
Go Team?
stevo3883 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2006   #9
BigWig
Bigimus Wigimus
 
BigWig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Dripping Springs Tx
Posts: 1,261
Rep Power: 1266 BigWig is a quality contributor and well respectedBigWig is a quality contributor and well respectedBigWig is a quality contributor and well respectedBigWig is a quality contributor and well respectedBigWig is a quality contributor and well respectedBigWig is a quality contributor and well respectedBigWig is a quality contributor and well respectedBigWig is a quality contributor and well respectedBigWig is a quality contributor and well respectedBigWig is a quality contributor and well respectedBigWig is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aj.
Dang.....for a minute I thought our old friend Jean (CND) was back ... oh well. Maybe he's here but just incognito?
That was what I was thinking too, aj !
BigWig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2006   #10
tex
Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 55
Posts: 183
Rep Power: 11 tex is ridin' the pine
Default

There's a lot of bull that goes on when money is involved.Goes to show you it's not always Casserly's fault that the Texans don't get the players they want in the FA market.
tex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2006   #11
GhostRaider2006
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Age: 36
Posts: 144
Rep Power: 9 GhostRaider2006 is ridin' the pine
Default

I'm pretty sure this was on ESPN Insider (at least I thought I saw it there yesterday) as well but nonetheless this is where all this buzz is orignating from:

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...system/?page=3
(Scroll dwon to mid-page)

Article:

Truly a 'free' agent?
Hometown discounts are one thing. Unfair advantages are something else. Houston general manager Charley Casserly believes he knows the difference. Casserly was among several teams pursuing Patriots guard Stephen Neal and he thought the Texans had a good chance of landing him. Then the negotiations ended before they ever started, and Casserly smelled a rat. Neal is represented by Jonathan Hurst, an associate whose office address and phone number are the same as his employer, longtime agent Neil Cornrich. Cornrich is under a one-year suspension by the Players Association for using NFLPA information against the estate of the late Derrick Thomas in a wrongful death suit following the auto accident that took Thomas's life. He has long been closely associated with Patriots coach Bill Belichick, once boasting on his website that he was Belichick's agent and acknowledging that he did work as his attorney. Patriots kicker Adam Vinatieri fired Cornrich after Cornrich's suspension and said he was ''going with someone in Neil's office." That was Hurst, but Vinatieri turned to Gary Uberstine (Willie McGinest's agent) after having doubts that Hurst was considering all the options available to him. It seemed to Vinatieri that Hurst was pushing him back to New England. Whether Hurst was or not, Vinatieri told people in Green Bay he feared that was the case. After two weeks of getting nowhere, Uberstine was hired, and less than a week later, he had Vinatieri signed to the fattest contract for a kicker in NFL history. With that as background, Casserly grew suspicious of the legitimacy of Neal's free agency after Hurst canceled a meeting with the Texans. According to Casserly, Hurst told him, ''It's just not going to work out." Casserly asked how it could since the team had yet to meet with Neal or make a formal offer. When Hurst refused to bring Neal to Houston, Casserly said he was going to call the player directly. ''I left a message on his cellphone," Casserly said. ''I don't know if he got it or not. I never got to talk to Steve. But our offer was a signing bonus between $5 million and $6 million. It probably would have ended up at $5.5 million. The average of the [four-year] deal would have been $3 million a season, including the signing bonus. Go look what they signed him for." The Patriots signed Neal to a four-year contract worth $10.5 million that included a signing bonus of $3.2 million and base salaries of $600,000 in 2006, $1.7 million in '07, $2.1 million in '08, and $2.5 million in '09. The contract includes four yearly workout bonuses of $106,160. The bigger point, in Casserly's mind, was that such deals usually end up being only two-year contracts before they're renegotiated or the player is terminated. If that happens, Neal's deal will bring him a total in bonuses and salary of $5.7 million from the Patriots, only $200,000 more than his signing bonus alone would have been in Houston. ''You figure out what happened," Casserly said. ''He was never really a free agent. It was all just for show." Whatever it was, it was a good deal for the Patriots, who signed Neal to a deal roughly $1.5 million less than he would have received in Houston.
GhostRaider2006 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > The National Football League
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger