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Old 05-06-2004   #41
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Coleman is a player in the NFL. The NFL unlike MLB cares about its public immage. If you screw up, the NFL and the player's team can punish you. If he wants to be a drunkard, smoke pot, sniff crack and use roids or break the law he picked the wrong sport. Just because its ok to do that stuff in MLB dont mean its ok in the NFL and thats one of the reasons many people love the NFL.
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everyone was also like this about ramon walker when he got into a little skuffle in a bar this time last year...people wanted him to be cut...well he wasn't and in a few weeks everyone forgot that he had been arrested...i expect the same to be done here...this is coleman's first real offense since the supposed passing out on 59 was never made public if it indeed happened...i just think it's funny that people in this country follow actors and athletes mis-behaviors so closely and make such a big deal out of something that happens everyday with normal people...then demand such harsh punishments for them but when it happens to your neighbor it's well just do your community service or take defensive driving and everything will be ok
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I wonder if the position change is having a negative affect on Coleman. I mean, we heard Capers tell us what Coleman "said", we heard what Aaron Glenn had to say about it, heck we even heard what Dunta Robinson had to say but we never received a word from Coleman.

Not that it is an excuse but doesn't it kind of make you wonder?
Last night, I think it was Southwest Sports Report, someone asked Coleman that question. He said he was fine with the move, if that's what was best for the team. Seemed like a good answer, that's why I was a little suprised to hear the news this morning.
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in the laws eyes this ticket is no different than a speeding ticket...and there should be tougher penelties because he's an athlete? give me a break guys that's wrong...to say just because you make money playing a game the rules should be different for you...that's bs...that's the samething as saying the rules should be different because of your race, creed, or nationality...i'll let mcnair decide the the amount of the fine...but honestly people just because he makes more money playing a game doesn't mean he should get any special privilages or punishments

I beg to differ with you on the comparison with a speeding ticket. It is very different than a speeding ticket. For starters a DWI conviction does not magically drop off of your record like a speeding ticket does after a set number of years (I believe it's 7 but I could be wrong about that). His drivers license (assuming he is convicted) will be suspended for some length of time. First offense it shouldn't be more than a year.

The state has completely lost it's sense of humor over DWI/DUI. I personally am a pretty "law and order" type of person but I think that much in the way the schools have gone overboard with their zero tolerance approach the law has gone overboard on first offenses for DWI/DUI. The prosecute it very zealously and have turned it into what (IMO) a second offense should be. Basically I feel like a first offense (regardless of how much money you make or what you do for a living) should be a lot closer to a speeding ticket (unless an injury accident is involved in which case it should escalate) and subsequent offenses should be big time hammer droppings that either set you straight or put an end to your driving days.
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a drunkard?...besides this offense how many other times has coleman been in trouble with law concerning similar cases like this...huh?...where is your proof that he is a drunkard or does any other drugs? don't assume that just because something bad happened last night that he does it all the time...you don't know him personally
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i know the officer that found coleman that night on 59S.....but that does not matter....he should be punished by the team in someway or form b/c he has broken the law. And I don't care what you say DWI is more than a speeding ticket.....
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ok Hervoyel you got me there...and i concur with that the dwi is more serious than a speeding ticket...the main point i was trying to get accross with comparing it to a speeding ticket is that it is not a felony...unless someone is hurt in the incident which in this case no one was...thankfully...your right that the state has gone overboard with first time offenders...and i'm not trying to stand up here and protect coleman from anything...he'll get his punishment from both the team and the state...i'm not trying to make excuses for him either...he should have gotten a ride home...my thing is people wanting to make an example out of him...i don't agree with that one bit...i don't agree with people wanting him to be cut for this or thinking that the NFL should do anything about his...just like i don't believe the law should get involved in a fight that breaks out during a game...this is not an easy situation and this is just my opinion...anyone can debate this with me...i'll make my points as will everyone else
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keyfro I agree with your last comment
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You misunderstood me I guess, some people think breaking the law is bad, but public figures should not be held to higher standards like baseball.

Baseball is on a huge downward turn and sucks, thankfully the NFL holds its players to higher standards
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hopefully this whole experience will be one of life's little leasons for coleman and one that he'll hopefully learn...i hope the rest of the team sees the pain that can be caused with something like this and learns from it as well...i'm sure the texans and coleman can move on from this and maybe just maybe bring the organization closer together...here's a hint to the texans this should be a reason to start getting involved in some sort of Texan's against drunk driving program...having the texans collectively with the city of houston set up some sort of program with metro where it is easier to find a bus or a cab around the bars in houston...anything to make our city safer
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Pardon me, but why should someone be punished for being CHARGED with a crime?
It sets a bad example for his fans. It sets a bad example for the people who love the NFL. The NFL has every right to suspend him for off field issues. If he wants to be apart of something special (THE NFL) then he needs to be more responsible.
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It sets a bad example for his fans. It sets a bad example for the people who love the NFL. The NFL has every right to suspend him for off field issues. If he wants to be apart of something special (THE NFL) then he needs to be more responsible.
i don't agree with that...i think if the NFL wanted to better their public image they would have allowed payton manning to wear black hightops for johny u's death instead of fining chris redman for doing so...no one blames the NFL for off the field issues...and like i said they are not a judical body of this country...they are not exactly his employeers either...the texans are...they i believe have the power to punish him in whatever way they see fit...the nfl is another story i don't buy into them punishing him...i didn't happen on the field they should stay away from it
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I beg to differ with you on the comparison with a speeding ticket. It is very different than a speeding ticket. For starters a DWI conviction does not magically drop off of your record like a speeding ticket does after a set number of years (I believe it's 7 but I could be wrong about that). His drivers license (assuming he is convicted) will be suspended for some length of time. First offense it shouldn't be more than a year.

The state has completely lost it's sense of humor over DWI/DUI. I personally am a pretty "law and order" type of person but I think that much in the way the schools have gone overboard with their zero tolerance approach the law has gone overboard on first offenses for DWI/DUI. The prosecute it very zealously and have turned it into what (IMO) a second offense should be. Basically I feel like a first offense (regardless of how much money you make or what you do for a living) should be a lot closer to a speeding ticket (unless an injury accident is involved in which case it should escalate) and subsequent offenses should be big time hammer droppings that either set you straight or put an end to your driving days.
I for one am happy that they have lost their sense of humor on this issue. It only takes one time to kill or maim someone for life. Talk to some parents of children who were killed by first time offenders, and I don't think they'll want it treated like a speeding ticket. After the fact is a bit late imo. You can't put that Genie back in the bottle. They are sending a message loud and clear that drinking and driving won't be tolerated, and I for one, am pretty happy about that.
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no one blames the NFL for off the field issues...and like i said they are not a judical body of this country...they are not exactly his employeers either...the texans are...they i believe have the power to punish him in whatever way they see fit...the nfl is another story i don't buy into them punishing him...i didn't happen on the field they should stay away from it
The NFL suspended Leonard Little for eight games in 1999, but life went on and in 2002 the St. Louis Rams re-worked Little's contract, signing him to a five-year, $17.5 million deal.

The NFL WILL be involved.
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I just wanted to make a note. It was May 5th. I remember 2 years ago I had a rough night. Of course, I couldn't drive. I don't thnk the position change is a factor. I am not going to prosecute somebody before the evidence. I know that there are many overzealous authority figures that would love to nab a celebrity. I will help put in perspective. At least, he did not pull a Kobe and get stuck in a scandal like that. I hope they don't get rid of him. He seems like an genuinely decent person who deserves a second chance. To forgive is divine.
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Yes, I totally agree, lets have Marcus Coleman quartered and then fine him. I think we should hold athletes to way higher standards than regular people. Let's make sure he gets a severe punishment to teach him that he will not be treated like everyone else. In fact, I say we give him the same punishment Ted Kennedy got for driving drunk off a bridge and killing some woman(who wasn't his wife), then fled the scene to be found later at his house. Coleman has to learn that if you are going to drive drunk you better change your last name to Kennedy.
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I hope they don't get rid of Coleman either. My fear is that the NFL steps in and does something. After all we are The Texans, not The Patriots or Colts or Packer or any other high profile team like that so it wouldn't hurt the NFL to suspend a player from our team meanwhile let the other players in the league take witness. That is my only fear.

I too believe that when Coleman has to answer to his teammates and fans, the embarassment and punishment will be all over him.

Also, I think we need to thank the good Lord that Coleman is still with us today and we aren't mourning over him. I sure hopes he learns from this.
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Yes, I totally agree, lets have Marcus Coleman quartered and then fine him. I think we should hold athletes to way higher standards than regular people. Let's make sure he gets a severe punishment to teach him that he will not be treated like everyone else. In fact, I say we give him the same punishment Ted Kennedy got for driving drunk off a bridge and killing some woman(who wasn't his wife), then fled the scene to be found later at his house. Coleman has to learn that if you are going to drive drunk you better change your last name to Kennedy.
You are being dumb here.

"The NFL's guideline for a drunken-driving conviction is a fine of half a regular-season game check up to $20,000, barring unusual circumstances. Subsequent violations result in increased discipline as determined by the commissioner, Aiello said."

If you want to play in the NFL, you have to play by their rules. Its not that hard to understand.
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No, I'm being sarcastic here. Those aren't just planes flying over your head.
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