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Old 03-29-2006   #1
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I often browse to the various "expert" websites to see their mocks. I thought I'd do a roundup of all of their picks for the Texans through the first three rounds:

NFL Draft Scout
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Sinorice Moss WR-Miami
#65: Ray Edwards DE-Purdue
#66: Derek Hagan WR-Arizona St.


Great Blue North
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Mathias Kiwanuka DE-Boston College
#65: Anthony Fasano TE-Notre Dame
#66: Claude Wroten DT-LSU


NFL Draft Scout
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Sinorice Moss WR-Miami
#65: Gerris Wilkinson LB-Georgia Tech
#66: DeMario Minter CB-Georgia


Draft Daddy
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Max Jean Gillies OG-Georgia
#65: Jeremy Trueblood OT-BC
#66: Cedric Griffin DB-Texas


Scoutsnotebook.com
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Jonathan Joseph CB-South Carolina
#65: Anthony Smith S-Syracuse
#66: Rob Sims OG-Ohio State


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#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Demetrius Williams WR-Oregon
#65: Tim Dobbins ILB-Iowa State
#66: Derrick Martin CB-Wyoming
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The only national type site that seemed to have thought about what we might need, seems to be "Draft Daddy" as they picked O-line, which we all know we need. Probably not the right guys for the scheme, but at least they knew that we needed to draft some O-line help.
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I often browse to the various "expert" websites to see their mocks. I thought I'd do a roundup of all of their picks for the Texans through the first three rounds:

NFL Draft Scout
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Sinorice Moss WR-Miami
#65: Ray Edwards DE-Purdue
#66: Derek Hagan WR-Arizona St.


Great Blue North
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Mathias Kiwanuka DE-Boston College
#65: Anthony Fasano TE-Notre Dame
#66: Claude Wroten DT-LSU


NFL Draft Scout
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Sinorice Moss WR-Miami
#65: Gerris Wilkinson LB-Georgia Tech
#66: DeMario Minter CB-Georgia


Draft Daddy
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Max Jean Gillies OG-Georgia
#65: Jeremy Trueblood OT-BC
#66: Cedric Griffin DB-Texas


Scoutsnotebook.com
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Jonathan Joseph CB-South Carolina
#65: Anthony Smith S-Syracuse
#66: Rob Sims OG-Ohio State


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#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Demetrius Williams WR-Oregon
#65: Tim Dobbins ILB-Iowa State
#66: Derrick Martin CB-Wyoming

big reach for demetrius
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scoutsnotebook def. has the best draft for us so far....who are these jokers-max jg, fasano etc- unless these are dated(pre-putzier,weaver,kalu)....these so called experts arent very good..they just see a name and a need and take it
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I often browse to the various "expert" websites to see their mocks. I thought I'd do a roundup of all of their picks for the Texans through the first three rounds:

NFL Draft Scout
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Sinorice Moss WR-Miami
#65: Ray Edwards DE-Purdue
#66: Derek Hagan WR-Arizona St.
Not real fond of Moss at #33, he has the athletic measurements to be great, but he's small, has not been used overly much to this point, and I'd prefer to get a bigger WR later in the draft. I don't like taking Ray Edwards that high, we can easily get him at #97. Derek Hagan I'm also not real fond of, at #66 I guess he has decent value but I don't see us using two 1st day picks on WRs, and Hagan has very inconsistent hands ala Corey Bradford. I grade this draft a C.

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Great Blue North
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Mathias Kiwanuka DE-Boston College
#65: Anthony Fasano TE-Notre Dame
#66: Claude Wroten DT-LSU
I don't think Kiwanuka will fall that far. He'd be a pretty good value but with all the DEs we've suddenly loaded up on I'm not sure how great of a pick he'd be for us, assuming he even lasts that long. Fasano I don't really like since we just signed Putzier, I'd generally only look for a TE a round later than what they're projected to go (i.e. Fasano, Klopfenstein and that group I'd look at in the 4th or later) and Claude Wroten is a really bad pick for us. He's not an overly good player, he has some character problems, and we are already overloaded at DT. I give this a D+ grade.

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NFL Draft Scout
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Sinorice Moss WR-Miami
#65: Gerris Wilkinson LB-Georgia Tech
#66: DeMario Minter CB-Georgia
See previous comment on Moss. Wilkinson is an ok pick, I'd prefer to get CB and FS before a MLB but ok. Minter isn't that high on my list of CBs, this is about where he will probably go but I think there will be other CBs available that would be a better pick. I grade this a B since it at least tries to address our main needs.

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Draft Daddy
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Max Jean Gillies OG-Georgia
#65: Jeremy Trueblood OT-BC
#66: Cedric Griffin DB-Texas
Jean-Gilles is a horrible fit for this team. In terms of talent he's probably the #1 guy in this draft, but at 355 lbs. he doesn't even come close to fitting our zone blocking scheme. Regardless of where he goes he needs to lose 20-30 lbs. he would still be in the 325-330 lb. range and would be huge and that would go a long way to increasing his quickness. Trueblood is another bad match, he also seems quite stiff and slow (reminds me a lot of Todd Wade) and I don't think he fits our blocking system either. Cedric Griffin would also be a decent value here, but like with Minter I think there will be a couple CBs here that I'd prefer to have (and I'd prefer to get CB at #33 anyways), but without looking up each of these individual mocks I don't know what CBs are there on their boards. I give this a C- grade for picking poor fits on our OLine, but at least they were looking in that direction.

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#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Jonathan Joseph CB-South Carolina
#65: Anthony Smith S-Syracuse
#66: Rob Sims OG-Ohio State
Johnathan Joseph is a great pick, I really hope he's available at #33 if Eric Winston is not, he is one of my top 2-3 CBs in this draft and the top one that I think has a chance of being there. Anthony Smith and Rob Sims I think are big-time reaches in the top of the 3rd round, both seem like decent players but I think we can get better value. I grade this draft a B- because of those two questionable picks, would have been a lot lower without Joseph in there.

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#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Demetrius Williams WR-Oregon
#65: Tim Dobbins ILB-Iowa State
#66: Derrick Martin CB-Wyoming
I think Demetrius Williams is a big-time reach at #33. At #65 I'd be ok with him, but not that high. Tim Dobbins and Derrick Martin are also big-time reaches. I grade this draft a D, they attempt to address our needs but badly reach on all three of those picks.
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I think Demetrius Williams is a big-time reach at #33. At #65 I'd be ok with him, but not that high. Tim Dobbins and Derrick Martin are also big-time reaches. I grade this draft a D, they attempt to address our needs but badly reach on all three of those picks.
No one really knows where these guys are rated by the teams. If you look at the different top 100 boards around they have players 20-40 spots away from each other.

I read through the profiles of the 2nd-3rd round guys and liked these picks. There are several players in that range with character issues or past run-ins with the law, which I automatically dumped. I also was pessimistic that the players at the positions we wanted wouldn't automatically drop out of the previous round. So there are some reaches, but I wouldn't call them big-time. Here is my more optimistic (or wishful thinking) mock:


Htown34s(fingers crossed mock)
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Jonathan Joseph CB-South Carolina
#65: Abdul Hodge ILB-Iowa
#66: Demetrius Williams WR-Oregon

Heck yeah, I'd be happy with this one!
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No one really knows where these guys are rated by the teams. If you look at the different top 100 boards around they have players 20-40 spots away from each other.

I read through the profiles of the 2nd-3rd round guys and liked these picks. There are several players in that range with character issues or past run-ins with the law, which I automatically dumped. I also was pessimistic that the players at the positions we wanted wouldn't automatically drop out of the previous round. So there are some reaches, but I wouldn't call them big-time. Here is my more optimistic (or wishful thinking) mock:


Htown34s(fingers crossed mock)
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Jonathan Joseph CB-South Carolina
#65: Abdul Hodge ILB-Iowa
#66: Demetrius Williams WR-Oregon

Heck yeah, I'd be happy with this one!
i wouldn't be unhappy with that but if we get moulds id concentrate fully on o-lines and dbs
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Ill go ahead and throw up another draft web site's mock and the Texans picks, mainly, because I made the picks (keep in mind, no trades yet):

NFL Fans (www.nflfans.com/x/
1st ROUND
D’Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia

2nd ROUND
Ashton Youboty, CB, THE Ohio St

3rd ROUND
Dominique Byrd, TE, USC
Spencer Havner, OLB, UCLA

4th ROUND
Mike Hass, WR, Oregon State

5th ROUND
Eric Henderson, DE, Georgia Tech

6th ROUND
Dennis Roland, OL, Georgia

UDFA AUCTION (Out of 100 Points)
Owen Daniels, TE, Wisconsin (9)
Aaron Lips, OG, La Tech (16)
Demetrius Summers, RB, South Carolina (4)
Anthony Trucks, OLB, Oregon (8)
Quincy Butler, CB, TCU (7)
Jackson Appel, S, Texas A&M (4)
Marques Hagans, QB/WR, Virginia (4)
Marcus Hudson, FS, NC State (20)
Greg Lee, WR, Pitt (20)
Aaron Harris, MLB, UT (8)

and if your curious to see how the rest of it went, heres the link: http://www.nflfans.com/x/showthread.php?t=10106
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4 of the 6 drafts don't show us taking any offensive linemen. I don't think thats very realistic.
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4 of the 6 drafts don't show us taking any offensive linemen. I don't think thats very realistic.
From what Matt_Alkire from Scoutsnotebook.com posted on another thread:

"One thing to keep in mind about Kubiak and his OLine scheme.... Tom Nalen was a 7th rounder. Ben Hamilton was a 4th rounder. Matt Lepsis went completely undrafted. Denver's best 3 Offensive Linemen all taken on the second day or not at all. The only reason I bring it up is that that system is very odd. There can be 7th rounders that are more valuable to Kubiak then a 2nd rounder would be to Andy Reid or Bill Cowher. Just a different beast. I'm sure alot of you guys know that, but I felt it necessary to say."

But I'd agree that if we get Moulds we look at the best O-lineman available with one of our 3rd rounders.
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No one really knows where these guys are rated by the teams. If you look at the different top 100 boards around they have players 20-40 spots away from each other.

I read through the profiles of the 2nd-3rd round guys and liked these picks. There are several players in that range with character issues or past run-ins with the law, which I automatically dumped. I also was pessimistic that the players at the positions we wanted wouldn't automatically drop out of the previous round. So there are some reaches, but I wouldn't call them big-time. Here is my more optimistic (or wishful thinking) mock:


Htown34s(fingers crossed mock)
#1: Reggie Bush RB-USC
#33: Jonathan Joseph CB-South Carolina
#65: Abdul Hodge ILB-Iowa
#66: Demetrius Williams WR-Oregon

Heck yeah, I'd be happy with this one!
This draft I'd be much much happier with.

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i wouldn't be unhappy with that but if we get moulds id concentrate fully on o-lines and dbs
We still need to look at WR in the draft, Moulds will be turning 33 during this season so we need to look for another long-term WR for us, it usually takes WRs 1-3 years to adjust to the league, and if we get Moulds we have that 2-3 year cushion where a rookie can learn the game, and we can hope Mathis improves and becomes a legit WR too.

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I'd like...

#1 Reggie Bush, RB, USC
#33 Eric Winston, OT, Miami(FL)
#65 Cedric Griffin, CB, Texas
#66 Daryn Colledge, OT, Boise State

Another possibility would be...

#1 Reggie Bush, RB, USC
#33 Eric Winston, OT, Miami(FL)
#65 Jason Allen, CB, Tennessee
#66 Pat Watkins, S, Florida State

Fred Matua (OG, USC) would also be a guy worth considering for selection with one of the 3rd round picks. Seems like he would fit in a zone blocking system.
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UDFA AUCTION (Out of 100 Points)
Owen Daniels, TE, Wisconsin (9)
Aaron Lips, OG, La Tech (16)
Demetrius Summers, RB, South Carolina (4)
Anthony Trucks, OLB, Oregon (8)
Quincy Butler, CB, TCU (7)
Jackson Appel, S, Texas A&M (4)
Marques Hagans, QB/WR, Virginia (4)
Marcus Hudson, FS, NC State (20)
Greg Lee, WR, Pitt (20)
Aaron Harris, MLB, UT (8)
Appel would be worthy of picking up as an undrafted free agent training camp invite kind of guy. Tough bahstid.
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#1 Reggie Bush, RB, USC
#33 Eric Winston, OT, Miami(FL)
#65 Jason Allen, CB, Tennessee
#66 Pat Watkins, S, Florida State

Fred Matua (OG, USC) would also be a guy worth considering for selection with one of the 3rd round picks. Seems like he would fit in a zone blocking system.
Allen seems more like a FS than a CB from what I've seen, and I'm not especially high on Pat Watkins. He had a pretty nice Combine workout and definitely drew some attention from it, but I don't think he's proven enough to go in the 3rd round, maybe in the 4th or 5th if we haven't gotten a S by then and depending on who's available.
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