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DRAMA · 03-27-2006

Let's see...

The year is 2005 - we have a:

A Safety switched out of position.
A corner switched to safety.
A 4-3 DT switched to a 3-4 DE
A college 4-3 DT switched to a 3-4 DE.
A backer switched to another position (Wong)
A backer switched to another position (Greenwood)
An end switched to another position (Peek)
An end switched to another position (Babin)

I understand that moves have to be made in order to play the 3-4 but I think switching guys back to their natural position may be our biggest defensive acquisition yet...and the fact that we're getting rid of Fangio's Quantum dynamic schemes. I really think that we have no idea what we have on defense yet....

Oh well, just an observation on our switch back to the 4-3.

Maddict5 · 03-27-2006

and some thought we'd make the playoffs with that D....

TexanSam · 03-27-2006

I'm still sad we didn't get Jim Bates as our DC. But anyone has to be an upgrade over Vic Fangio.

Grid · 03-27-2006

Our defense in 2004 wasnt too shabby. I was actually pretty excited about it.. since we seemed to be fairly good at stuffing the run, which forced teams to pass... and with the way we ran our 3-4, passing the ball on us was dangerous. We ended up with like 22 interceptions that year.

But Fangio's defense overall is total crap. He was the coach I was most happy to be rid of.

thetexanator · 03-27-2006

this defense is WEAK. not to be NEGATIVE or anything like that, but i like what weve done on offense, but our d still bites. we have NO pass rush, our safties are below average, our linebackers are weak. pbuc might have a better year, but its going to be the same weak d as last year.

The Dude Abides · 03-28-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by [[Gary Kubiak]]

I dont think so, I really do believe we are 5X better against the run. That should vastly improve our 2ndary.

Are you taking that from last year's team or the potential of this years?

thetexanator · 03-28-2006

5X better against the run?????weaver and??

**Malloy** · 03-28-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by [[Gary Kubiak]]

4-3
Cowert
Kalu
Kubiak
Sherman
No Fanggio
No 3-4

hell thats 7 reasons.... I was conservative when I said 5

4-3, and no 3-4 constitutes one thing imo. you're down to six

HJam72 · 03-28-2006

I agree with Drama. We had too many players out of position. Wong never wanted to play on the inside anyway and now we know why. He can do it, but not very well. He's much better outside. That's one example, but I really think we will be better off not drafting players to play something they weren't really meant for. The O-line had those problems too and the most obvious example is not using McKinney at center. He sucks at center. He was our best center for a long time and that says a lot about the sad state of the O-line for years.

Maddict5 · 03-28-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by [[Gary Kubiak]]

4-3
Cowert
Kalu
Kubiak
Sherman
No Fanggio
No 3-4

hell thats 7 reasons.... I was conservative when I said 5

yes having sherman as our o-line coach does help us stop the run????
Kalu/Babin....big difference??? meh

BigBull17 · 03-28-2006

Our main problem was we drafted 1 legit starter (D-Rob) in the last 4 years. We pick up project players and tweeners and that doesnt cut it. You can get away with one project player in spot situations bt if the core of your D, int his case LB's in the 3-4, are half project players youve lost befor you played. Just my

HJam72 · 03-28-2006

One legit starter in 4 years?

**Kaiser Toro** · 03-28-2006

I think we have neglected the defense immensely. It may very well be by design, but on paper you do not make the second worst defense in the league better by adding Weaver, Pierce, Moreno, Pettway, bringing in a new staff, changing the system and releasing arguably your biggest impact player in Walker.

Hopefully we will address this gap in the draft.

BigBull17 · 03-28-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by HJam72

One legit starter in 4 years?

I just dont see any one who stands out and screams "I am a starter". C.C Brown and Glenn Earl have the potential and Babin and Peek could be good down the road, but when you look back and see the draft track record our D has seriously been neglected and we havnt drafted legit starters.

cap1 · 03-28-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBull17

I just dont see any one who stands out and screams "I am a starter". C.C Brown and Glenn Earl have the potential and Babin and Peek could be good down the road, but when you look back and see the draft track record our D has seriously been neglected and we havnt drafted legit starters.

I believe he is talking about D. Robinson.

BigBull17 · 03-28-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by cap1

I believe he is talking about D. Robinson.

Yeah thats the only legit starter we drafted in the first four years.

B.Diddy · 03-28-2006

I think in the right system with the right coaches we have future pro bowlers
in D. Rob, Travis , and Peek im still lookin for more out of babin but those three i see alot of fire in them

Johnny Utah · 03-28-2006

It's imposible for the Texans to address all of their needs this offseason. I'm fine with building a dominate offense then trying to build on the defense over the next few seasons.

We may suck on defense next year, but at least we should be able to score some points.

**jerek** · 03-28-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexanSam

I'm still sad we didn't get Jim Bates as our DC. But anyone has to be an upgrade over Vic Fangio.

A monkey could eat the defensive playbook, partially digest and dump it out, and draw on the wall with the leftovers and we'd be running better plays than what Fangio called.

And I still would love to see our FO do the ballsy thing and draft this year's #1 defensive difference maker, Mario Williams, with the #1. Though I must admit, even I am convinced that Reggie could be a great RB/SWR threat for our O ...

DRAMA · 03-28-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerek

A monkey could eat the defensive playbook, partially digest and dump it out, and draw on the wall with the leftovers and we'd be running better plays than what Fangio called....

Ok, I almost choked on my drink!!

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BigBull17 Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2005 Location: Alvin Age: 32 Posts: 4,943 Rep Power: 4281	Our main problem was we drafted 1 legit starter (D-Rob) in the last 4 years. We pick up project players and tweeners and that doesnt cut it. You can get away with one project player in spot situations bt if the core of your D, int his case LB's in the 3-4, are half project players youve lost befor you played. Just my __________________ Is it March 6th yet?

03-28-2006	#13
Kaiser Toro Native Mod Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Straight Outta Austin Age: 43 Posts: 15,890 Rep Power: 19756	I think we have neglected the defense immensely. It may very well be by design, but on paper you do not make the second worst defense in the league better by adding Weaver, Pierce, Moreno, Pettway, bringing in a new staff, changing the system and releasing arguably your biggest impact player in Walker. Hopefully we will address this gap in the draft. __________________ Texans 2012: Kidz II Men

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B.Diddy Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Location: Missouri City T.X./ Sam Houston State University Age: 31 Posts: 259 Rep Power: 10	I think in the right system with the right coaches we have future pro bowlers in D. Rob, Travis , and Peek im still lookin for more out of babin but those three i see alot of fire in them __________________ Omega Psi Phi till the day i die

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03-27-2006	#1
DRAMA All Pro Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston Age: 42 Posts: 524 Rep Power: 9	Defensive Difference Maker? Let's see... The year is 2005 - we have a: A Safety switched out of position. A corner switched to safety. A 4-3 DT switched to a 3-4 DE A college 4-3 DT switched to a 3-4 DE. A backer switched to another position (Wong) A backer switched to another position (Greenwood) An end switched to another position (Peek) An end switched to another position (Babin) I understand that moves have to be made in order to play the 3-4 but I think switching guys back to their natural position may be our biggest defensive acquisition yet...and the fact that we're getting rid of Fangio's Quantum dynamic schemes. I really think that we have no idea what we have on defense yet.... Oh well, just an observation on our switch back to the 4-3.

03-27-2006	#2
Maddict5 Hall of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,460 Rep Power: 5499	and some thought we'd make the playoffs with that D....

03-27-2006	#3
TexanSam Hall of Fame Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston Age: 25 Posts: 16,614 Rep Power: 23265	I'm still sad we didn't get Jim Bates as our DC. But anyone has to be an upgrade over Vic Fangio.

03-27-2006	#4
Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	Our defense in 2004 wasnt too shabby. I was actually pretty excited about it.. since we seemed to be fairly good at stuffing the run, which forced teams to pass... and with the way we ran our 3-4, passing the ball on us was dangerous. We ended up with like 22 interceptions that year. But Fangio's defense overall is total crap. He was the coach I was most happy to be rid of.

03-27-2006	#5
thetexanator All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 544 Rep Power: 293	this defense is WEAK. not to be NEGATIVE or anything like that, but i like what weve done on offense, but our d still bites. we have NO pass rush, our safties are below average, our linebackers are weak. pbuc might have a better year, but its going to be the same weak d as last year.

03-28-2006	#9
HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,472 Rep Power: 18004	I agree with Drama. We had too many players out of position. Wong never wanted to play on the inside anyway and now we know why. He can do it, but not very well. He's much better outside. That's one example, but I really think we will be better off not drafting players to play something they weren't really meant for. The O-line had those problems too and the most obvious example is not using McKinney at center. He sucks at center. He was our best center for a long time and that says a lot about the sad state of the O-line for years.

03-28-2006	#18
Johnny Utah All Pro Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 551 Rep Power: 10	It's imposible for the Texans to address all of their needs this offseason. I'm fine with building a dominate offense then trying to build on the defense over the next few seasons. We may suck on defense next year, but at least we should be able to score some points.

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