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**utahmark** · 03-27-2006

after all these free agents im just wondering what we still need in the draft. here is my list of needs in order of importance. 1)rt tackle/gaurd 2)free safty 3)#2 wr (if we dont get moulds) 4) cb

other positions that could be upgraded are lb, de.

if we could get prospects at those 4 postions. we could have a chance to play well this year and also a chance to evaluate everyone and see what else we might need for next year. maybe this could be a two year turnaround.

el toro · 03-27-2006

The free agent moves simplify draft day. That isn't to say if they feel they've found a sleeper C, DE or whatever that they pass. But they can go into this draft looking a few positions (mentioned above) and take some good shots at addressing those in the 2nd and 3rd rounds with their 3 picks (which are at the top of those rounds).

AtheGreat · 03-27-2006

with most of our line taken care of and the #2 receiver pos. getting worked on, i say we should look in the defensive backfield for some draftees. Youbouty (who i went to school with!), KO, Slay, Bing, all these guys would be decent guys who could make a good passing game difficult and we could possibly pick up in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I like the idea of Slay in the later rounds. We could use someone besides DRob who isn't scared of laying into someone, make recievers think twice before running an inside route. But, with the way Kubiak has handled things, I'm good with whatever he thinks we need.

**beerlover** · 03-27-2006

its looking more like OT or CB with that 2nd rd. pick who ever grades out highest on the Texans board

TheOgre · 03-27-2006

Lets assume we add a veteran WR (that can be our #2 for this seasoN) before the draft. The only other FA needs that I could see us addressing between now and the draft would be FS and/or CB (whether it is a DB, NB, or someone to be our #2 CB). If you look at our FA pick-ups, though, some of them are merely stopgap measures. We appear to be filling our immediate needs so we can draft BPA. Positions that could still use a prospect are:
MLB
DE
WR
CB
S (Free moreso than strong)
OT

I think we all assume we are taking Bush with our 1st. I see us using our remaining first day picks on 3 of the above positions. The only positions not listed above that could get consideration IMO are interior linemen.

**Kaiser Toro** · 03-27-2006

We need a defense. People on this board like to trumpet that our problems were mostly on D last year as the offense just was given the wrong playbook. Moreover, we had the second to worst defense and the fourth to worst offense. Yet we hired an offensive minded HC and brought in a former HC to coach the line. We extended our QB and have added a TE and C that will most likely start.

TheOgre · 03-27-2006

We do need defense, but it appears this draft is shaping up to be an offensive one for us. I think the focus will be on defense next year.

el toro · 03-27-2006

They can certainly focus on defense in rounds 2 and 3 and as mentioned above, this will not be their only opportunity to address the defense as they are turning around this franchise.

**Kaiser Toro** · 03-27-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOgre

We do need defense, but it appears this draft is shaping up to be an offensive one for us. I think the focus will be on defense next year.

If we draft Bush, there will be no room for a big defensive FA acquistion until 2008 after Walker's dead money comes off the books in my opinion. If we draft Bush there will be a ~20 million delta between our offense and defense spend through 2008.

Maddict5 · 03-27-2006

my perfect draft for filling needs would be(with moulds)-
#33: any of winston, cromartie, ko, bullocks
#65,66: 2 of davin joseph, daryn colledge, griffin, manning, any cb/fs faller

03-27-2006

We still stongly need a CB, or even a couple of CB's. I'm not sold on the Safety spots either.

DRAMA · 03-27-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

We need a defense.

What do you think of D'Qwell or Thomas Howard?
To quote Curly Bill in Tombstone, "I heard he's reeeal fast!" Can't have enough speed....

**Lucky** · 03-27-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

If we draft Bush, there will be no room for a big defensive FA acquistion until 2008 after Walker's dead money comes off the books in my opinion.

Why is that? The Texans aren't right at the cap limit for '07, even taking into account Walker's $5.5 million cap hit. I doubt that Wiegert will be drawing his $4.5 million salary in '07. I just don't see the doom and gloom over the cap just because Bush is drafted.

Grid · 03-27-2006

#1 on my list is FS. We need another playmaker in the backfield, in our division. FS is our biggest hole at this point. We can get by with CC Brown and Earl.. but both of them are more SS than FS.

#2 MLB. Cowart was a great signing for us.. and I think Polk may possible shape up into a good MLB for us.. but I still think we need to draft someone. Cowart may not even make it through the season with his recent rash of injuries, and even if he does..we MAY get 2 seasons out of him before we will SERIOUSLY need a replacement. Get someone now and start grooming.

#3 OT. We need an RT. I think we can get by with Wand/Wade..but I also think we will need an upgrade eventually. Colledge in the 3rd.

#4. CB. Buchanan and Faggins I think will be alright for next season, if we have to use them. But in our division we really need a strong defensive backfield, so id like to get a legit #2 CB prospect. Marshall is my pick.

#5. DE. This can be a 2nd day pick.. but we need to get a more traditional 4-3 DE that can AT LEAST provide depth and some run stuffing. We have a shortage of true 4-3 DEs.

Mightymike · 03-27-2006

#1. bush
#2. RT (Winston, Mcneill, or Scott)
#3. FS (Simpson, Whitner, Watkins, Allen)
#4. late round cb
#5. late round mlb (leon williams, schlegel, parham)

MorKnolle · 03-27-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky

Why is that? The Texans aren't right at the cap limit for '07, even taking into account Walker's $5.5 million cap hit. I doubt that Wiegert will be drawing his $4.5 million salary in '07. I just don't see the doom and gloom over the cap just because Bush is drafted.

Walker's cap hit goes on the books this season and Wiegert's contract is up at the end of this season, so both of those salaries are off the books in 2007, hopefully Todd Wade will be released after June 1, so half of his hit would go against 2006 cap and half against 2007, but we'll have to wait to see on that one.

horn_omatic · 03-27-2006

I'm with beer lover, OT or CB whichever grades out higher. It would be nice to get OT Eric Winston with the 2nd pick and CB DeMario Minter with a third. I would also no be to upset if we got CB Jonathan Joseph with the 2nd and OT Daryn Colledge with a third.

MorKnolle · 03-27-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by horn_omatic

I'm with beer lover, OT or CB whichever grades out higher. It would be nice to get OT Eric Winston with the 2nd pick and CB DeMario Minter with a third. I would also no be to upset if we got CB Jonathan Joseph with the 2nd and OT Daryn Colledge with a third.

You're right on here. Winston in the 2nd/CB in the 3rd or Joseph in the 2nd/Colledge in the 3rd would both be great, although Minter probably wouldn't be my top choice as a CB at #65, but that largely depends on who else is available.

Caesar · 03-27-2006

Apparently, a situational running back is our top need.

**Texans_Chick** · 03-27-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

If we draft Bush, there will be no room for a big defensive FA acquistion until 2008 after Walker's dead money comes off the books in my opinion. If we draft Bush there will be a ~20 million delta between our offense and defense spend through 2008.

Interesting post.

FWIW, here are a couple articles folks might find interesting on spending on offensive v. defense:

USA Today article

Quote:

Of the 10 teams with the highest percentage of cap dollars dedicated to defense, only three — the Seattle Seahawks, Philadelphia Eagles and Patriots — made the playoffs. Of the 48 teams qualifying for the playoffs in the last four years, 32 spent more on offense than defense.

There is stuff in that article that can make you think about these issues in a lot of different ways.

Here's an article on the analysis of the offense/defense spending of last year's Super Bowl teams:

Steelers v. Seahawk spending.

I am not posting these articles to make a point about this stuff, but rather as more an illustration of the sorts of things teams are doing.

03-27-2006	#7
TheOgre Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back in the cellar again Posts: 3,739 Rep Power: 16	We do need defense, but it appears this draft is shaping up to be an offensive one for us. I think the focus will be on defense next year. __________________ "...the Texans select...Adrian Peterson, RB, University of Oklahoma."

03-27-2006	#15
Mightymike Veteran Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 289 Rep Power: 8	#1. bush #2. RT (Winston, Mcneill, or Scott) #3. FS (Simpson, Whitner, Watkins, Allen) #4. late round cb #5. late round mlb (leon williams, schlegel, parham) __________________ MOULDSY

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horn_omatic Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Clear Lake Age: 35 Posts: 66 Rep Power: 8	I'm with beer lover, OT or CB whichever grades out higher. It would be nice to get OT Eric Winston with the 2nd pick and CB DeMario Minter with a third. I would also no be to upset if we got CB Jonathan Joseph with the 2nd and OT Daryn Colledge with a third. __________________ There's a crunchberry under the fridge. -Peter Griffin

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03-27-2006	#1
utahmark markbeth Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: utah Age: 43 Posts: 1,914 Rep Power: 5935	so what do we need now. after all these free agents im just wondering what we still need in the draft. here is my list of needs in order of importance. 1)rt tackle/gaurd 2)free safty 3)#2 wr (if we dont get moulds) 4) cb other positions that could be upgraded are lb, de. if we could get prospects at those 4 postions. we could have a chance to play well this year and also a chance to evaluate everyone and see what else we might need for next year. maybe this could be a two year turnaround.

03-27-2006	#2
el toro All Pro Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 509 Rep Power: 8	The free agent moves simplify draft day. That isn't to say if they feel they've found a sleeper C, DE or whatever that they pass. But they can go into this draft looking a few positions (mentioned above) and take some good shots at addressing those in the 2nd and 3rd rounds with their 3 picks (which are at the top of those rounds).

03-27-2006	#3
AtheGreat Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: back row, far right Posts: 345 Rep Power: 8	with most of our line taken care of and the #2 receiver pos. getting worked on, i say we should look in the defensive backfield for some draftees. Youbouty (who i went to school with!), KO, Slay, Bing, all these guys would be decent guys who could make a good passing game difficult and we could possibly pick up in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I like the idea of Slay in the later rounds. We could use someone besides DRob who isn't scared of laying into someone, make recievers think twice before running an inside route. But, with the way Kubiak has handled things, I'm good with whatever he thinks we need.

03-27-2006	#4
beerlover Site Contributor Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,357 Rep Power: 15075	its looking more like OT or CB with that 2nd rd. pick who ever grades out highest on the Texans board

03-27-2006	#6
Kaiser Toro Native Mod Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Straight Outta Austin Age: 43 Posts: 15,890 Rep Power: 19756	We need a defense. People on this board like to trumpet that our problems were mostly on D last year as the offense just was given the wrong playbook. Moreover, we had the second to worst defense and the fourth to worst offense. Yet we hired an offensive minded HC and brought in a former HC to coach the line. We extended our QB and have added a TE and C that will most likely start. __________________ Texans 2012: Kidz II Men

03-27-2006	#10
Maddict5 Hall of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,460 Rep Power: 5499	my perfect draft for filling needs would be(with moulds)- #33: any of winston, cromartie, ko, bullocks #65,66: 2 of davin joseph, daryn colledge, griffin, manning, any cb/fs faller

03-27-2006	#11
SESupergenius Guest Posts: n/a	We still stongly need a CB, or even a couple of CB's. I'm not sold on the Safety spots either.

03-27-2006	#14
Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	#1 on my list is FS. We need another playmaker in the backfield, in our division. FS is our biggest hole at this point. We can get by with CC Brown and Earl.. but both of them are more SS than FS. #2 MLB. Cowart was a great signing for us.. and I think Polk may possible shape up into a good MLB for us.. but I still think we need to draft someone. Cowart may not even make it through the season with his recent rash of injuries, and even if he does..we MAY get 2 seasons out of him before we will SERIOUSLY need a replacement. Get someone now and start grooming. #3 OT. We need an RT. I think we can get by with Wand/Wade..but I also think we will need an upgrade eventually. Colledge in the 3rd. #4. CB. Buchanan and Faggins I think will be alright for next season, if we have to use them. But in our division we really need a strong defensive backfield, so id like to get a legit #2 CB prospect. Marshall is my pick. #5. DE. This can be a 2nd day pick.. but we need to get a more traditional 4-3 DE that can AT LEAST provide depth and some run stuffing. We have a shortage of true 4-3 DEs.

03-27-2006	#19
Caesar Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 107 Rep Power: 0	Apparently, a situational running back is our top need.

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