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Old 03-27-2006   #121
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We do not need VY. Mario would be a good pick at #1, and even better in a trade down scenario.
You already have an end that you just gave a fat contract to. If that argument is good enough to dismiss a Bush selection, well, it would seem to work to knock down that suggestion.
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Paying for proven talent in the NFL. We have Carr and AJ at high priced contracts base upon their draft staus and performance in college. We do not need a third on offense. If we truly needed a multi dimensional back we should have gone after Edgerrin.

Difference is, James could go wherever he wanted to. With Bush, he doesn't have that much of a choice.
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I am waiting to see it. Critiquing someone else's posts is not rationalizing, that is called manufacturing doubt.
How else are you to explain why you should draft a certain player? Mario Williams looks like a great DE. Reggie Bush looks like a great RB. We can sit here all day and discuss the merits of each player, but I don't want to spend that kind of time. We all know what each player will bring to the table. If Kubiak and Co. think Bush is the way to go, so be it, and vice versa to Williams/Young/Ferguson. But to come up with reasons as to why a certain player should be picked is fruitless. People will come up with 100's of reasons as to why and why not a player will be selected. Which is why we sit here and debate it for free while Texans officials get paid to make that decision.
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You and your cohorts only rationale for selecting Bush comes down to these four rationales:

Best back in a generation - that was in college
He is a game breaker - that was in college
He fills needs - not sure where that is
Post link to highlight film - love bright and shiny things

I have seen no rationale in any post on why we should take him.
And Mario Williams is on which NFL team again? Or did NC State somehow just move into the NFC East and I didn't see the headline. Dude, we all realize you have a man crush on Williams, but you are sinking to new lows everyday trying to rationalize this obsession in your mind. Your logic has sunk to the depths of the Titanic, and you are on it. There is plenty of rationale to draft Bush, much of it discussed on this board. Ignoring it doesn't count.

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SInce you requested me to explain, which you put in capital letters mind you. I figured you wanted a more thorough explanation. Little did I realize that it was a smug reply.

Congratulations you are the first poster I have ever given a negative post, you did not deserve it, but you certainly earned it.
am i bothered?
nice job changing the focus of everything so you dont have to explain your earlier ridiculous comment.
anyway the reason i think we should take reggie is he is a playmaker, a weapon we do badly need. at the moment we have 2 rb's, with DD being injury-prone so it fills a need.
who should we take instead..mario or d'brick..thats about it. ive no problem with either, but we dont need mario now and d'brick is joined by a deep o-line this year
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eh? You can critique others' points but they cannot critique yours? Whatever.
I have been putting out not only cirtiques but also my own thinking and reserach based on the cap and where we are invested. If that has not come across then please tell me so I do not have to respond to any of your psts moving forward. Moreover, you still have not offered a rationale on why Bush must be picked other than what I listed before.
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Paying for proven talent in the NFL. We have Carr and AJ at high priced contracts base upon their draft staus and performance in college. We do not need a third on offense. If we truly needed a multi dimensional back we should have gone after Edgerrin.
We do not need a 3rd on offense? Look at the Colts Offense last year. How many Weapons did they have.
Manning,
Harrison,
Wayne,
James,
Dallas Clark,
Stokley

We need more talent on offense. Putzier will make a difference but he is by no means our offensive passing savior.
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that makes no sense- yes the OLD coaches proved they couldn't draft very well but if you look at their history- they were just as bad at FA. now with kubiak, we've had a good FA, why not let him do a draft before saying we'll never ever be a good drafting team??

too early to say we've had a good FA period. Weaver could turn out to be a Greenwood etc. Not to mention Casserly is still the GM.

All I'm saying is that in this day and age of the NFL, you signs FA's to fill holes. If you are constatly playing rookies (muchless starting them) then you are destined to be a below .500 team.
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By the by, does anyone know how much of a contract Bush will earn as the 1st pick in respect to Williams/Young?
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too early to say we've had a good FA period. Weaver could turn out to be a Greenwood etc. Not to mention Casserly is still the GM.

All I'm saying is that in this day and age of the NFL, you signs FA's to fill holes. If you are constatly playing rookies (muchless starting them) then you are destined to be a below .500 team.
true..but you know what i mean..it looks to have been a good FA
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LOL @ people who still use the "he did that, but it was in college" bs. Isn't every potential draftee coming out of college?

About E.Moulds....I would love to bring Eric here. I hope we can get a deal done and it doesn't cost us "break the bank" type money. Should be an interesting next couple of days, that's if things should progress.

About the Philly thing...notice in that article they tried to put down the Texans a bit so the Eagle fan readers can disregard us and think that "oh, well he wont go there, they're a bad team"...sorry, don't work like that. the writer of that article also said 5 teams, and mentions the Texans once, for a very short time, no less. Moulds isn't using the Texans, seeing as the Eagles wont break the bank either.
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I have been putting out not only cirtiques but also my own thinking and reserach based on the cap and where we are invested. If that has not come across then please tell me so I do not have to respond to any of your psts moving forward. Moreover, you still have not offered a rationale on why Bush must be picked other than what I listed before.

I have and did above in this thread. I have responded to your points about the "needs" on defense as well as why it isn't the end of times to have a difference in weighting between the offense and defense in the cap. It's not like the two are mutually exclusive. If you have an offense that can move the chains, run the clock and put up points then that is worth plenty defensively. You don't need to attain some mythical balance between both sides of the ball on the cap. Also, offensive talent does end up being priced more so it's not surprising if a team's cap is weighted to the offense.

So I disagree with you. I've proffered my own original points and critiques of your arguments. If you don't like that, well, this is the internets, I'm sure you can find a place where everyone nods in agreement with your opinion.
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And Mario Williams is on which NFL team again? Or did NC State somehow just move into the NFC East and I didn't see the headline. Dude, we all realize you have a man crush on Williams, but you are sinking to new lows everyday trying to rationalize this obsession in your mind. Your logic has sunk to the depths of the Titanic, and you are on it. There is plenty of rationale to draft Bush, much of it discussed on this board. Ignoring it doesn't count.

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I dig swine so obviously this would illict a comment. You know where I stand on how we are spending our cap dollars Porky. If we were top heavy on the defensive side of the ball I would be clamoring for Bush.

Bush is the pick at the moment and I will not be angered if we take him. I just do not see the defense being taken care of with the current lot of players and trying to grow organically thorugh the draft by using our late first day picks and next year's picks. We will not have cap space to be players in the FA market for defense until 2008 due to dead cap money. Yes we will see a cap good guy every year, but we also must assume that there will other cuts.
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am i bothered?
nice job changing the focus of everything so you dont have to explain your earlier ridiculous comment.
anyway the reason i think we should take reggie is he is a playmaker, a weapon we do badly need. at the moment we have 2 rb's, with DD being injury-prone so it fills a need.
who should we take instead..mario or d'brick..thats about it. ive no problem with either, but we dont need mario now and d'brick is joined by a deep o-line this year
I do not really care if you are bothered or happy. If taking the time to EXPLAIN, per your question, is changing focus then we have nothing left to discuss.
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I am trying to keep up with everyone as I have the gas can out and matches are flying everywhere. If I miss one of your posts please remind me.
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I do not really care if you are bothered or happy. If taking the time to EXPLAIN, per your question, is changing focus then we have nothing left to discuss.
you see you didnt explain it...you said picking up moulds devalues reggie @ #1 because we'd have some depth at wr #2..
which i said wouldnt make a difference because reggie would've been motioned out to, or lined up in the slot receiver when used there anyway
then you started going on about how only reggie has done well against college teams
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you see you didnt explain it...you said picking up moulds devalues reggie @ #1 because we'd have some depth at wr #2..
which i said wouldnt make a difference because reggie would've been motioned out to, or lined up in the slot receiver when used there anyway
then you started going on about how only reggie has done well against college teams
How many WR's do you think we will carry? We have six signed at the moment and Moulds would be a seventh and Bush would come into a backfield that already has DD, Morency, Norris and Cook. So with a signing of Moulds we would have 11 of our 53 players for our offensive skill positions not inlcuding QB and TE. That number does not include Jason Anderson or Jonathan Wells.

Many of you would like to turn this into a you hate Bush debate. My debate focuses on numbers, need and dollars.
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Moreover, you still have not offered a rationale on why Bush must be picked other than what I listed before.
He will create matchup problems and take double teams away from AJ. When Carr dumps it off to him he can do more with it than DD. I believe he is also good at picking up a blitz, something DD sucks at.

Even if we get Moulds I don't think he takes double teams away from AJ. He would just serve as an upgrade at #2 receiver.
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He will create matchup problems and take double teams away from AJ. When Carr dumps it off to him he can do more with it than DD. I believe he is also good at picking up a blitz, something DD sucks at.

Even if we get Moulds I don't think he takes double teams away from AJ. He would just serve as an upgrade at #2 receiver.
I agree with you o everything except the comment aout Moulds not taking double teams away from AJ. I think that Moulds demands respect and will draw away the double team.
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How many WR's do you think we will carry? We have six signed at the moment and Moulds would be a seventh and Bush would come into a backfield that already has DD, Morency, Norris and Cook.
You know teams load up on players before camp and then cut them before the season. Starling and Morgan probably aren't making the team. That's not exactly going out on a limb either. That leaves us with 4 WR's and no legit #2.
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