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Old 03-27-2006   #41
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This morning on 610, McClain seemed pretty confident they'd be getting a trade done w/Bufallo for Moulds. As of late, i don't put a lot of stock into what McClain says though...
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If any trade for Moulds involves draft picks..."Just say No!"

We're still to far away from decency to be trading potential depth/starters for over 30, whining, money hungry veterans; no mater what position they play.

Besides we've actually had alot of succes with fourth round picks, why waste one on a guy who'll be gone before we challenge for a playoff spot?
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If any trade for Moulds involves draft picks..."Just say No!"

We're still to far away from decency to be trading potential depth/starters for over 30, whining, money hungry veterans; no mater what position they play.

Besides we've actually had alot of succes with fourth round picks, why waste one on a guy who'll be gone before we challenge for a playoff spot?
I might say that for someone without a proven track record but he has over 9000 career yards, is looking for a 3 year 15 million contract. We pick up Moulds for our 4th rounder and we have nothing to do but sit back and wait for the draft.
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They can't get a WR like Moulds in the fourth round of this draft. Do it right now, trade for Moulds and get your WR group set and then spend the first day of the draft getting Bush, an OT and some defensive help in my opinion.
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I might say that for someone without a proven track record but he has over 9000 career yards, is looking for a 3 year 15 million contract. We pick up Moulds for our 4th rounder and we have nothing to do but sit back and wait for the draft.
how about trade Phillip Buchanon for Moulds thats like a 2nd & 3rd rounder :brickwall
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Why in the !@#$ would you give up the 1st pick in the fourth round for a guy on the downside of his career and at best has 3 years left?

If we give up the 1st pick in the 4th round I am going to be pissed.

Mark my words.....Moulds, although great in his day, will not be in the league 3 years from now
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If any trade for Moulds involves draft picks..."Just say No!"

We're still to far away from decency to be trading potential depth/starters for over 30, whining, money hungry veterans; no mater what position they play.

Besides we've actually had alot of succes with fourth round picks, why waste one on a guy who'll be gone before we challenge for a playoff spot?
If we get Moulds we really are not that far from being a playoff contender.
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Why in the !@#$ would you give up the 1st pick in the fourth round for a guy on the downside of his career and at best has 3 years left?

If we give up the 1st pick in the 4th round I am going to be pissed.

Mark my words.....Moulds, although great in his day, will not be in the league 3 years from now
The Texans will probably give up a 5th. And not defending Moulds, but even last year, he was more productive that all of our 2nd receivers. 827 yrds if I remember correctly. Late round pick and a reasonable restructed contract for a few years of service, I can deal with.
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Moulds would give you a #2 WR for a couple of seasons. His production last season wasn't exactly that bad. AJ/Moulds/Walter is a pretty good top 3 to start the season with and you'll have Mathis in the rotation as well as Bush to see time in the slot. Not bad.
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Moulds would give you a #2 WR for a couple of seasons. His production last season wasn't exactly that bad. AJ/Moulds/Walter is a pretty good top 3 to start the season with and you'll have Mathis in the rotation as well as Bush to see time in the slot. Not bad.
Don't forget Putzier in the mix as well.
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There is no question that Moulds' numbers have been better than what our offense could produce. The question is much like we ask about our QB position, would Manning and Brady been able to perform while under center for the Texans? Will Moulds be able to do so and moreover will he be content as a #2? We need value, not overpaying for players who are on the downward side of their career. At the right price and the right expectations this would be good signing, but not at the expense of the future.

Is anyone else alarmed that his avg yards per catch has gone down seven consecutive years?

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Don't forget Putzier in the mix as well.

Indeed. A nice corps of receivers to complement the running game.
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drafting a guy in round 4 to play WR doesnt get you very far. Most rookies, no matter how great, dont make huge contributions in year 1 (at WR) and you have to actually pick one that is not a bust. Then they have to learn the system adjust to the speed of the game, etc. If you are lucky you have a good player in a year or two.

We can have one NOW with Moulds and not have to throw one into the fire like we've always done.

This is what this team has lacked and why they SUCKED last year. NO VETS. Look what happened to our defense when they got rid of guys like Sharper. Its not just a players physical ability, but his experience in the league that really helps out a poor team.
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Most rookies, no matter how great, dont make huge contributions in year 1 (at WR) and you have to actually pick one that is not a bust. Then they have to learn the system adjust to the speed of the game, etc. If you are lucky you have a good player in a year or two.
We can have one NOW with Moulds and not have to throw one into the fire like we've always done.
We are starting from scratch again, we are rebuilding. I can wait a year or two, but Eric Moulds only has a year or two left. He's 32 going on 33 this season.
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Maybe the front office isn't content to wait.
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Maybe the front office isn't content to wait.
They friggin better be, we just signed Carr to a 3 year extension and we have no defense.
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Moulds is on the decline, he's 32 will be 33 when season starts. Teams will not throw money at him.

He will get Isaac Bruce money, 3 yr 15 million. No where near what Burleson got, Randel El, Givens, etc.

He will be a solid veteren number 2 receiver for us if he come at around that price. 55 receptions 700 yard type wr. But don't expect the Eric Moulds of old. If he come and shows longevity like Rod Smith in Denver, we would be getting a major steal. But i would offer him 3yr 15 million, anything more than that, i wouldn't take him.

ND Kalu would just add depth, nothing fancy, Depth is good. That mean for the Super Mario Fans, we will not be drafting him, sorry to burst your bubble, we simply would be carrying too many DE's.
Agree on Moulds, if we get him it needs to be for cheap or for short time period, one or the other. Not sure about his durability in this case as I really only have his numbers to work with.

Do not need Kalu.
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We are starting from scratch again, we are rebuilding. I can wait a year or two, but Eric Moulds only has a year or two left. He's 32 going on 33 this season.

If we are rebuilding then why are we signing 10 year vets like Flanigan and Kalu?

Rebuilding in the NFL now is done via FA AND the draft. We have proven we cant do it ourselves with the draft so we have to take players that have been developed for us.

Hey, Im fine with that. Admit your shortcomings and move on.
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Since when did 32 become over the hill? This guy has at least 3-5 years left. Ask Rod Smith if he is over the hill? I don't know what the deal is, but it seems there is just no pleasing a certain segment of people out there. Last year, when we let go of our veteran leaders like Sharper, people raved about how could they let the great Jamie Sharper go. Sure, he was getting up there a bit, and lost a step, but you need a veteran leader who knows his way around the game, and the Texans were crazy to let him go. You know what, y'all were probably right. Yet, now, we have a chance to pick up a PROVEN very solid WR, who has consistently produced, and all the sudden the guy might as well be Methuselah, and have a cane and long white beard. I don't get it. :brickwall
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Seems like we need to get back to the reason why we want a solid #2 WR, to open up things for AJ. It's almost like we're holding Moulds to a #1 standard. I would say that with Moulds plus the receivers the team had added at other spots (Walter & Putzier) and will be adding (Bush) that they will have accomplished the mission of helping AJ out for the next few seasons and also giving Carr a significantly better group of receivers to work with. All things considered, that's not a bad outcome.
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