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Old 03-25-2006   #1
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I have just been wondering on these forums for reasons I dont know why for a while now and have wondered " Why in the hell do Texans Fans want Reggie Bush"? plus other stuff....

Reggie Bush:

Ok look, I know he is one of the best players to come out of the draft in a long time. But I mean your defense, offensive line is horrible and Running Back and Punt/Kick Returner look like one of your best positions. Asking Reggie Bush to move to Wide Reciever would totally be out of the question too despite how effective he is there.

So my question to you texans fans is...

Wouldnt you rather grab A.J Hawk, Micheal Huff, or Mario Williams? Maybe trade up for more picks and grab Chad Jackson or SanAntonio Holmes. Or trade up and pick Winston Justice and Nick Mangold or some other elite offensive line prospects? I mean, this is a really deep draft especially for offensive line and trading out of the top 10 for more picks wont really hurt that much. Infact it might help...



Gary Kubiak:

Just thought I would say here I think he will bring this organization to be respectable some day. He worked under Shanahan plus he really knows how to make good offenses. Only thing I really question is can he be a leader and not the next Norv Turner(great mind but cant lead).


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I personally think if you give David Carr an offensive line and some weapons he can lead you to a championship. As for Vince Young...I think he should pray to god and for the sake of his NFL Career that he gets drafted by Tennessee becuase pretty much anywhere is I dont think hed be in a good situation. He should of stayed his Senior year like Lienart did.


Just what I think. Good Luck next season, Houston is gonna be one of those teams you queitly root for during your favorite teams bye week.
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Thanks for stopping by.

Here is the whole "thing" with Reggie Bush. As you said, yes he is one of the best players to come out in a long time, and its not often that a team gets a chance to draft a player like that. Yes we do have some needs other than RB, but they are not as great as others make them out to be.

For example, you mentioned Oline. As of right now, we have 3 starting Olinemen which are locks to start at their position, and are actually pretty talented. Pitts at LT, McKinney at LG, and Flanagan at Center. That leaves RG and RT to fill. For those two positions we have three players which are all likely to be good enough to "fill the need".. Todd Wade, Zach Wiegert, and Seth Wand. EVEN SO... this is one of the deepest drafts in recent memory when it comes to offensive linemen, and there is no doubt in my mind that we will still be able to get good offensive line prospects all the way to the third round.

Since it is so deep and we can get good linemen all the way into the 3rd round, you have to ask yourself what is the point of drafting one in the first? Sure you get to draft one of the supposed "top linemen" available. But there is a reason why so many of these linemen are rated so high... it is because they are talented. The drop off in Talent from D'brickashaw Ferguson to Eric Winston to Daryn Colledge.. is miniscule. I honestly couldnt tell you which one of those guys is most likely to be the best NFL starter.. yet one of them will be drafted in the 1st, one in the 2nd, and one in the 3rd.

Anyway.. moving on. On Defense we really do have some holes to fill.. the problem there is that our biggest holes are now FS and CB. We recently agreed to terms with Cowart, so we have a MLB. We have OLBs, we have DEs and DTs and SSs and one good CB. What we need is another good CB, and a FS. Those are our only real NEEDS this offseason (and CB is not really a need, but more like a necessary upgrade).

Anyway.. CB is kind of like the OTs this year. There are a collection of great CB prospects coming out...and they are so similar in talent level that scouts havent even been able to agree on their draft order. Grabbing a CB or FS in the 2nd round with our #33 pick looks like the most likely option for us at the moment. To me at least.

As far as FS goes...I only know of two that are really talented..and I would only want one of them. Donte Whitner and Ko Simpson...and I dont want Simpson. SO I am hoping that Donte Whitner is available at #33. But, I am not so enamored with Donte Whitner (and our need is not so great) that I am willing to trade down and make sure I get him. I dont want him more than I would want an elite and rare prospect like Reggie Bush.




And yes.. Gary Kubiak rocks.. he is going to bring us to "respectability" faster than the league thinks.
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It's really quite simple. At the top of the draft, you take the best player regardless of need (QB excluded). Great players, make good teams great, and avg teams good. They make everone around them better. If you draft high to simply fill needs, you will always be medicore.
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Bush is a great player. He has a great name. He is a great guy. He is exciting. He however does not fit into our plans, budget or need. We will most likely draft him at #1 and he will never wear a Texans uniform. Just my two cents before I go to garden show.
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It's really quite simple. At the top of the draft, you take the best player regardless of need (QB excluded). Great players, make good teams great, and avg teams good. They make everone around them better. If you draft high to simply fill needs, you will always be medicore.
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I guess houston fans want a star running back again like they had Earl Campbell. Which theres nothing wrong with that.
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I guess houston fans want a star running back again like they had Earl Campbell. Which theres nothing wrong with that.
Exactly. And if you know history, the years before Earl arrived they were mediocore. Then they went to the AFC title game a couple of years in a row early in Earl's career. AS I said above, players like that can take your team up one level all on their own, and elevate the perceived quality of their teammates.

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Bush is a great player. He has a great name. He is a great guy. He is exciting. He however does not fit into our plans, budget or need. We will most likely draft him at #1 and he will never wear a Texans uniform. Just my two cents before I go to garden show.

I think this is as unlikely as the Texans drafting Vince #1.

That happens a lot more in the NBA than it does in the NFL.
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I think this is as unlikely as the Texans drafting Vince #1.

That happens a lot more in the NBA than it does in the NFL.
Drafting VY makes less sense than drafting Bush.
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Drafting VY makes less sense than drafting Bush.

Yea, David Carr is gonna be great for you guys.
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Drafting VY makes less sense than drafting Bush.

It makes just as much sense as drafting Bush and then trading him. Especially after the contract dispute with Rivers and the Chargers where Rivers ended up getting #1 money after being picked 4. Agents will see this as setting a precedent and will demand the same.

Generally this only happens when the player refuses to play for the team (see Elway and E. Manning).

In the NBA on the other hand, you have teams picking players for other teams and then trading them.
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Taking Bush is like the Chiefs drafting Larry Johnson while they had Holmes and Blaylock on their roster. That move looked foolish at the time, is paying off really well now.
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Or the Bills taking Willis McGahee when they had Travis Henry
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Taking Bush is like the Chiefs drafting Larry Johnson while they had Holmes and Blaylock on their roster. That move looked foolish at the time, is paying off really well now.
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Taking Bush is like the Chiefs drafting Larry Johnson while they had Holmes and Blaylock on their roster. That move looked foolish at the time, is paying off really well now.
It is absolutely nothing like that in its totality. From a log jam standpoint at one position yes. But nothing like it from a pick stand point.
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It is absolutely nothing like that in its totality. From a log jam standpoint at one position yes. But nothing like it from a pick stand point.

I actually agree with you. In the previous season Holmes had a potentially career ending injury so they drafted Johnson as insurance and to be the successor to Holmes.

That is why I believe that it is closer to the Bills situation. Henry was the starting back and had a couple good seasons under him. They didn't need Willis McGahee but felt that he was potentially too good to pass up.
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Thanks for your input, BUT I think you have BIGGER problems this year then we (texans) do. DALLAS is stocking up and ready to put a pounding on your as. Once the Boys and the rest of the teams in NFC East pound you. You'll have the problem we had. Finishing Last!
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It is absolutely nothing like that in its totality. From a log jam standpoint at one position yes. But nothing like it from a pick stand point.
Granted there were other factors in that pick, but when you boil it down they had Holmes starting and good backup (Blaylock) before they drafted Johnson. He was by far the BPA at the 27th pick.
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Welcome CP26!!!

As far as drafting a lineman, I agree that we need linemen badly to shore up our offense, but you don't select a lineman the very frist pick of the draft.

I like the idea of having RBush on our team. The excitement he will bring will make it worth while.

Carr guiding us to the Champonship. That will have to be seen. Granted, he will be better player, but a top notch QB???

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Granted there were other factors in that pick, but when you boil it down they had Holmes starting and good backup (Blaylock) before they drafted Johnson. He was by far the BPA at the 27th pick.
Yeah I agree, but BPA at #1 and BPA at #27 are a total different ball of wax from a cost and expectation for playing time standpoint. I would not say that the Texans' situation is like the Chiefs'.
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I have just been wondering on these forums for reasons I dont know why for a while now and have wondered " Why in the hell do Texans Fans want Reggie Bush"? plus other stuff....

Reggie Bush:

Ok look, I know he is one of the best players to come out of the draft in a long time. But I mean your defense, offensive line is horrible and Running Back and Punt/Kick Returner look like one of your best positions. Asking Reggie Bush to move to Wide Reciever would totally be out of the question too despite how effective he is there.

So my question to you texans fans is...

Wouldnt you rather grab A.J Hawk, Micheal Huff, or Mario Williams? Maybe trade up for more picks and grab Chad Jackson or SanAntonio Holmes. Or trade up and pick Winston Justice and Nick Mangold or some other elite offensive line prospects? I mean, this is a really deep draft especially for offensive line and trading out of the top 10 for more picks wont really hurt that much. Infact it might help...



Gary Kubiak:

Just thought I would say here I think he will bring this organization to be respectable some day. He worked under Shanahan plus he really knows how to make good offenses. Only thing I really question is can he be a leader and not the next Norv Turner(great mind but cant lead).


Quarterback Position

I personally think if you give David Carr an offensive line and some weapons he can lead you to a championship. As for Vince Young...I think he should pray to god and for the sake of his NFL Career that he gets drafted by Tennessee becuase pretty much anywhere is I dont think hed be in a good situation. He should of stayed his Senior year like Lienart did.


Just what I think. Good Luck next season, Houston is gonna be one of those teams you queitly root for during your favorite teams bye week.

Why draft Reggie you ask. Well lets see....He will give us a threat on offense that we don't have. He is a gamebreaker!! Something the Texans are lacking. Look at Dallas they have TO. Why in the world would anyone want him after last yr? He is a gamebreaker, that is why. S. Smith, LT, S. Alexander, L. Johnson, S. Moss, R. Moss. What do they all have in common. They are all gamebreakers. Capable of taking over a game in an instant. The Texans do not have this kind of player. It is something that we need and should pick up with the first pick this yr. The team has signed some solid players through FA. No need to use your first pick on an O-Lineman. We have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rd's to add some more quality players at our need positions. Just can't pass up Reggie...They have not drafted a rb with this much talent since E. Campbell. That is a long time ago my friend. Some people will not agree with the pick, if they do pick him, but i will tell you this. The first time this guy breaks free for a 70 yd TD run at home EVERYONE will be chanting his name. Reggie, Reggie, Reggie, Reggie
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