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Old 03-22-2006   #1
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The committee also is considering recommending to officials that they make sure there was holding on a play before throwing a flag.

"We want to make sure they actually see the foul," McKay said.

One such play occurred in the Super Bowl. Seattle right tackle Sean Locklear was called for holding on a pass completion early in the fourth quarter that would have put the Seahawks at the Pittsburgh 1-yard line, poised to go in for the tying touchdown. After the penalty, Seattle quarterback Matt Hasselbeck threw an interception and the Steelers eventually scored to take a 14-point lead.
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One rule that I've often wondered about is the coin toss. Why not give the winning team the option to defer as in college?
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One rule that I've often wondered about is the coin toss. Why not give the winning team the option to defer as in college?
We don't have that option?
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We don't have that option?

unless I'm mistaken, no
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This is going to sound stupid, but you have that option in Madden. LoL
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I would love to see the reply moved upstairs (seems like a no brainer) and common sense be allowed to be used. To many things are "not reviewable". And if I was king I think I would like to see a rules change about the goaline and crossing it. A WR can make a great catch, land get hit and loose the ball it is an incomplete pass. A RB can leap over the goal line lose posesstion all by himself and it is a TD. I would like to see the running back have to come down w/ the ball in the endzone also the "Plane" to break should be the back of the line not the front!
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I would like to see penalties reviewable. I don't see why they aren't
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I would like to see penalties reviewable. I don't see why they aren't
Reviewing penalties could add a ton more time to games and break up the flow of things, but certainly some penalties under certain circumstances should be reviewable.
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I would love to see the reply moved upstairs (seems like a no brainer) and common sense be allowed to be used. To many things are "not reviewable". And if I was king I think I would like to see a rules change about the goaline and crossing it. A WR can make a great catch, land get hit and loose the ball it is an incomplete pass. A RB can leap over the goal line lose posesstion all by himself and it is a TD. I would like to see the running back have to come down w/ the ball in the endzone also the "Plane" to break should be the back of the line not the front!
The wide receiver has to have full posession, and maintain posession of the football once the receiver hits the ground for it to be ruled a catch. This is one of many criteria that must be met for an attempted reception to be counted as a completion. This rule counts for anywhere on the field, out of bounds, in the middle of the field, endzone, where ever. So natuarly when the receiver fails to maintain posession when coming in contact with the ground, regardless of where the receiver is on the field, it is ruled an incompetion. So since the receiver never had posession of the football there is no catch. Unlike a running back, or anyone with posession with the football, all that is required for a touchdown, once posession has been established, is to brake the plane of the endzone.

So to sum it up, its all about posession.
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Personally I dont Like ANY of the changes listed there. No hitting the quarterback in the legs? Come On!! the Palmer injury was a like a rare occurance. hitting them in the head is a foul now in the legs is a foul? thats just not football anymore. They might as well change it to professional flag football and be done with it. So pointless.

The Horse collar tackle yet another fluke brought up mainly because Fisher lost one of his players for the year on that kind of tackle. I think that rule should also be revoked...

The Holding penalties, How is that going to work that sounds like it will basically mean late flags on the play, lots of official huddles to determine if he really did see holding on the play... This is getting ridiculous. I hope that none of them pass.
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You can't defer in the NFL? I never thought about it but I always thought you could. You can in Madden and "if it is in the game, it is IN the game".

Anyone know this rule for sure?
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You can defer on the coin toss. However the majority of the time you want to draw first blood so you elect to recieve. Its one of those unspoken things in the NFL, just like its not intentional grounding if a qb spikes the ball to stop the clock. I have seen a game where they deferred just cant remember the exact game... here is the official NFL rule...



Digest of Rules

Coin Toss
1. The toss of coin will take place within three minutes of kickoff in center of field. The toss will be called by the visiting captain before the coin is flipped. The winner may choose one of two privileges and the loser gets the other:

(a) Receive or kick

(b) Goal his team will defend

2. Immediately prior to the start of the second half, the captains of both teams must inform the officials of their respective choices. The loser of the original coin toss gets first choice.
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So natuarly when the receiver fails to maintain posession when coming in contact with the ground, regardless of where the receiver is on the field, it is ruled an incompetion. So since the receiver never had posession of the football there is no catch. Unlike a running back, or anyone with posession with the football, all that is required for a touchdown, once posession has been established, is to brake the plane of the endzone.

So to sum it up, its all about posession.[/quote]

But it is not consistant with a runner. The ground cannot cause a fumble but it can an incompletion. And to me when a runner reaches out to the goal line but none of his body is even close and he looses posesion it is still a TD. I would just like to see all TD's earned and that woukd also eliminate almost all issues of did he get in.
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You can defer on the coin toss. However the majority of the time you want to draw first blood so you elect to recieve. Its one of those unspoken things in the NFL, just like its not intentional grounding if a qb spikes the ball to stop the clock. I have seen a game where they deferred just cant remember the exact game... here is the official NFL rule...



Digest of Rules

Coin Toss
1. The toss of coin will take place within three minutes of kickoff in center of field. The toss will be called by the visiting captain before the coin is flipped. The winner may choose one of two privileges and the loser gets the other:

(a) Receive or kick

(b) Goal his team will defend

2. Immediately prior to the start of the second half, the captains of both teams must inform the officials of their respective choices. The loser of the original coin toss gets first choice.
The Lions defered on an overtime coin toss, if that helps the memory...
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You can defer on the coin toss. However the majority of the time you want to draw first blood so you elect to recieve. Its one of those unspoken things in the NFL, just like its not intentional grounding if a qb spikes the ball to stop the clock. I have seen a game where they deferred just cant remember the exact game... here is the official NFL rule...



Digest of Rules

Coin Toss
1. The toss of coin will take place within three minutes of kickoff in center of field. The toss will be called by the visiting captain before the coin is flipped. The winner may choose one of two privileges and the loser gets the other:

(a) Receive or kick

(b) Goal his team will defend

2. Immediately prior to the start of the second half, the captains of both teams must inform the officials of their respective choices. The loser of the original coin toss gets first choice.
Right I understand this but it still doesn't give the coin toss team the ability to defer their "choice" until the beginning of the second half. Correct?
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Right I understand this but it still doesn't give the coin toss team the ability to defer their "choice" until the beginning of the second half. Correct?
your correct. If you choose to kick on the opening coin toss, then the other team has the choice to recieve or kick in the second half. Wonder what they would choose?
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The Lions defered on an overtime coin toss, if that helps the memory...
The lions did not defer, they choose to kickoff. Defer is at the opening coin toss. Colleges and high Schools do it to get the ball at the start of the second half. Teams with good defenses usually defer so they can set the tone of the game from the start.
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If there are any more rules added 'to protect the QB' then we might as well stop rushing the guy, since you can't hit/tackle him anyway, and just draft 4 LB's and drop them into coverage. Football is turning into a 10 man offense and an untouchable guy standing in at QB. Put a flag on the QB, it would be fairer to the Defense already.
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It just isn't common practice for a team to defer in the pros.
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Reviewing penalties could add a ton more time to games and break up the flow of things, but certainly some penalties under certain circumstances should be reviewable.
Honeslty, if they were worried about the "flow of the game", they wouldn't add so many darn tv timeouts. Sitting at the stadium for one of these is aggravating.

And with regards to OT, I think they should let each team have the ball at least once, out of fairness. One coin toss should not have that much importance in a football game.
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