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Old 03-22-2006   #1
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Texans to take a closer look at Young

"I'm excited to watch Vince throw because he's a really talented young man, but the Longhorns have a lot of other good prospects, too," McNair said. "I'm looking forward to watching all of them."

"Since Vince didn't participate in the drills at the combine, this is our first chance to see him since the Rose Bowl," McNair said. "I can listen to the coaches and scouts tell me about Vince. I can watch him on film, too, but I still like to watch him work out. "We plan to bring Vince and Reggie to Houston, too, so we can meet with them."

Asked what Davis told him about Young, Kubiak smiled and said, "A lot of great things, naturally."

"Hey, it's how the kid plays the game," Kubiak said. "Greg Davis said Vince was a great kid who's very coachable. Greg feels like Vince is just getting started as far as reaching his full potential as a quarterback."


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On the Cold Pizza preview a few minutes ago, they said Casserly, Kubiak, and McNair were all going to Austin to watch Young's workout. They said the Texans are undecided between Young and Bush...
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I'm surprised. I thought the front office was going to officially announce their first pick on Cold Pizza this morning.
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It's a courtesy call. Imagine the reaction if the Texans sent only the scouting staff!
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It's a courtesy call. Imagine the reaction if the Texans sent only the scouting staff!
Spoken like a fine Sam Houston State University Bearkat, lol.

Kinda like JOSH MCCOWN ...I STILL can't believe the Texans didn't look at him.

But anyway, The Texan coaching staff almost HAD to be there for this thing. They also hinted that they might be looking at some other players there ...like Michael Huff. Hmm...
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UT does have other guys slated to go in the 1st 3 rounds. Jonathan Scott comes to mind as a guy likely available at #33.
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It's telling indeed that McNair himself will be there to judge talent.
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I think it is a good move to bring such an entourage. Hopefully Vince will go off, and the hype will be back on... So that folks will want our #1..

I also read in that article, that Vince will be interviewed in Houston...... another good move.

I liked how the chronicle "drew" out the 6 point of reference map from Kubes to Greg Davis, to Vince...... kinda get that inside good ole boy rumor mill rolling.
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Kinda like JOSH MCCOWN ...I STILL can't believe the Texans didn't look at him.
It doesn't matter. He wanted to go to a situation where he had a chance to start this season. Detroit gives him that. Houston would not have.
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I think it is a good move to bring such an entourage. Hopefully Vince will go off, and the hype will be back on... So that folks will want our #1..

Even if Vince has a great pro day, and everyone does, it will not affect any team in wanting to trade up to #1 to get Vince Young. Vince is a great prospect, but is not #1 quality because he isn't even the best player at his position.
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This is nothing more than a dog and pony show to appease the Horns out there. Sending Mcnair gives the appearance that we are really undecided between Bush and Young, and gives them a bit of ammo against the Tsips. Unless VY has the best workout of any QB ever, this decision is all but signed, sealed, and delivered. In fact, the envolope is already at the podium just waiting for Tags to open it Apr 29th.
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I heard somewhere that Bush is coming in as well ....
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Didn't people say last year that Alex Smith had the best workout since Troy Aikman? I don't think the results of his pro day will change anything.
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Even if Vince has a great pro day, and everyone does, it will not affect any team in wanting to trade up to #1 to get Vince Young. Vince is a great prospect, but is not #1 quality because he isn't even the best player at his position.
You say that like it's a fact. According to scouting services, Leinart is #1. NFL Teams have to make picks, they aren't scouting services. They have preferences and schemes and their own draft grades; their picks aren't always based on consensus evaluations. If they have the same arm strength, but Leinart is more accurate and wiser in the pocket, while Young is a vastly superior athlete, how is it that cut and dry that Leinart is the guy? Young's passing efficiency was superior to Leinart's with a lesser supporting unit, so the argument that Leinart is a better passer isn't that cut and dry either. Young seems to possess some rare winning and playmaking attributes. He shouldn't be written off so quickly. Here's a quick question, who would Denver pick between Young and Leinart? That's not so simple.

That being said, I don't think anyone moves up to #1 for Young, because now it seems that he will slip out of the top 3. However, that doesn't mean guys drafted in front of him are better prospects. Randy Moss anyone?
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The reason why he isn't the #1 QB prospect is because he has the most risk. Sure, he may have the highest potential returns of all of the QBs, but people don't like to pick extremely risky players that high. Think of it like investing in a junk bond. You can potentially get really high returns then you would on a safer company, but you also have the risk of losing all of your invested money. Vince is a junk bond, Leinart is a Coca Cola bond.
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Like everyone said, this is just a bad smoke screen to try to make someone nervous and want to trade up.
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The reason why he isn't the #1 QB prospect is because he has the most risk. Sure, he may have the highest potential returns of all of the QBs, but people don't like to pick extremely risky players that high. Think of it like investing in a junk bond. You can potentially get really high returns then you would on a safer company, but you also have the risk of losing all of your invested money. Vince is a junk bond, Leinart is a Coca Cola bond.

You just never know what a team might value. And usually, they are not shouting what they want from the mountaintops during the draft period. Typically the top picks are overvalued statistically, and partially that is because of the hype and marque value of those positions.

2001 Mike Vick was taken with the 1st pick even though he wasn't nearly a finished product but finished strong that year. VY's stats make Vick's college stats look anemic. Stats combined with his intangibles and size make VY an intriguing choice.

With all the hype and noise and whatnot, it would not surprise me at all if someone reached up and got him. Personally, I would not be someone that would bet against him achieving good things on the next level.

(It would non-surprise me if Dallas was working to try to get him. JJ is known for his flamboyant flash picks, he reached to get Quincy Carter as an attempt to get a Vick, even though statistically QC isn't in the same universe and JJ is all about sales and winning and betting on the upside and plastic surgery, but that last bit there has nothing to do with the draft, other than potentially frightening recruits and small children.).
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I would definitely not be surprised to see Jones make a serious play to land a top 5 pick in order to land Young.
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I believe there is a bit of a misunderstanding and it's my fault because I didn't clarify my point too well. A team might trade up to get Vince Young, but it won't be with any of the teams in the top 3 because teams know that they can trade with a team like the Packers or the Niners and still get him. There is no point in paying more than you have to for a player.
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2001 Mike Vick was taken with the 1st pick even though he wasn't nearly a finished product but finished strong that year. VY's stats make Vick's college stats look anemic. Stats combined with his intangibles and size make VY an intriguing choice.

With all the hype and noise and whatnot, it would not surprise me at all if someone reached up and got him. Personally, I would not be someone that would bet against him achieving good things on the next level.
All good points, but one counter/question. Vick was the consensus best QB prospect. There wasn't even another 1st round QB taken. Do you have any examples of a guy who was not the consensus #1 jumping the #1 guy?
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