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Old 03-21-2006   #1
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Default Not another McKinney!!! (update - Dolphins resign Seth)

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It appears that either the new staff believes in Pitts, Wade, Wand at tackle or they have already targeted an OT for the draft- probably Ferguson... I say this because almost all of the free agent OLmen we've shown interest in are interior linemen.

I think it's at least possible that they are in love with Winston. After all, he has the ideal physical features for the zone blocking scheme... pure speculation.
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It appears that either the new staff believes in Pitts, Wade, Wand at tackle or they have already targeted an OT for the draft- probably Ferguson... I say this because almost all of the free agent OLmen we've shown interest in are interior linemen.

I think it's at least possible that they are in love with Winston. After all, he has the ideal physical features for the zone blocking scheme... pure speculation.
According to John, Steve's brother Seth will be here tomorrow....
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They're bringing in New England guard Stephen Neal on Wednesday after Kubiak returns from the University of Texas pro day in Austin.
In my opinion, Neal is the second best guard available behind Hutchinson. He would make a great addition to the team, but I hope he doesn't ask for too much money.
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It appears that either the new staff believes in Pitts, Wade, Wand at tackle or they have already targeted an OT for the draft- probably Ferguson... I say this because almost all of the free agent OLmen we've shown interest in are interior linemen.

I think it's at least possible that they are in love with Winston. After all, he has the ideal physical features for the zone blocking scheme... pure speculation.
I haven't seen a post from you in a long time.

I can see Pitts and Wand fitting the scheme, but Wade's skills seem much better suited to a power blocking scheme than ours. If the coaches don't see something in Wade, you're probably right. Either they think they have pretty good shot at Ashworth or they are considering a OT in the draft as a possible starter or 3rd tackle.


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According to John, Steve's brother Seth will be here tomorrow....
I had heard a rumor about this, but I was hoping if I didn't say something it would go away.
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Stephen Neal sounds like he'll fit perfectly into a zone-blocking scheme. Hope we get him.


He lacks the bulk and strength you would like, but his movement skills make up for his shortcomings. He has a good understanding of leverage and plays with a good level of intensity. He is explosive coming off the ball, takes a good first step and takes good angles to his blocks. He shows that he can get to the second level and get to a moving target. He has very good quickness and running ability and he does a good job of pulling on traps and screens. He needs a lot of work and improvement in technique. He is a very good athlete who needs to work on the little things like his base and keeping his head up and locking on with his hands. He has good lateral movement, but does a poor job of picking up stunts and twists because he gets his head down and he lacks anticipation. He can be knocked back into the pocket by the strong bull rush. He is at his best when he can fire out and attack and when he is in space. He has the raw athletic ability to be an outstanding player but he needs to improve his technique. He does not appear to have the versatility to line up anywhere else on the offensive line than at the guard position.

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McKinney's brother is actually a pretty good player. He is a much better center than Steve, and would be an immediate up grade over any centers on our rosters.
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seth mckinney i'm not too surprised for because we all know the aggie motto stick to their own...aggies help aggies or something like that...let's just hope kubiak has enough sense not to just give him the starting job...stephen neal on the other hand would be a good addition especially if they plan to use weigert at RT and keep wade on the bench
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In my opinion, Neal is the second best guard available behind Hutchinson. He would make a great addition to the team, but I hope he doesn't ask for too much money.
I dunno.....is he really that good ? That means he'd be really expensive for a
guard and on top of that we'd have to pay the "2-14 premium" to secure him.
But he is a San Diego native, maybe he'd like to block for Reggie ?
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Seth McKinney plays C, and he plays it rather well. He has started for Miami the past two years and has been very solid. Miami wants him back, but they want to get him at good value. Most people dont pay high dollar for Centers unless they are Bentley, Kruetz, or Mawae in his prime. I was wondering is Matt Birk out their or are the Vikings holding on to him. He would be a nice addition and can also play G.
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In my opinion, Neal is the second best guard available behind Hutchinson. He would make a great addition to the team, but I hope he doesn't ask for too much money.
You know good and well that in order to get him, you're gonna have to overpay him. That's just the way it works.

You take your shot. If he doesn't play up to your expectations, then it's another example you can dream up that CC is a bad GM.

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You take your shot. If he doesn't play up to your expectations, then it's another example you can dream up that CC is a bad GM. Right?
Yup, that's pretty much how it works.
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i think the important thing is with signing neal he would give us more lean-way with our offensive line...we could move weigert to RT if eric winston doesn't fall to us at the 33rd pick...or if he did we could pick him up with while knowing that we now have the depth at both tackle and guard so when/if weigert get's hurt we don't just fall apart
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as for seth mckinney...i didn't think he did that good of a job down in miami otherwise why did they replace him with rex hadnot at center?
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One thing's for certain, the front office is looking to improve the O-line via free agency, contrary to claims in this forum. They've had interest in Ashworth and Flanagan, among others. Now there is interest in (and visits of) McKinney and Neal.

The draft should also give the team a chance to land a serious lineman prospect in round 2 or 3.
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Why weep? Seth is a good center who would be an instant upgrade at that position. Sherman and Kubiak would like to have him on board. Your boy carr's sacks are not all the fault of McKinney. If you want to see dave off his back, you would like this pick.
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I have a slight perference for Flanigan than Seth Mckinney, but I think Seth could hold down the fort a yr or two, and could even develop into a long term starter as I think he fits this blocking scheme nicely, and he is still young. He is a good upgrade considering our options at this time.

In regards to Neal, I am really excited by this guy. I didn't realize that he didn't play football in college. He was a wrestler in college, and I guess simpply tried out, and eventually made the squad. So, he is about 30, but his best football could still potentially be ahead of him, and at that age, he doesn't have the football wear and tear many guys have, so he is a young 30 at that. PLus, I feel he fits this scheme very nicely. If he would sign, we can nail down RG for at least a half decade. That signing would be huge.

All I see on these boards is nothing is being done for the line. Hogwash. You are not going to sign every player you have an interest in. But, so far, we have has serious discussions with Ashworth, Flanigan, Mckinney, and Neal, and I am sure feelers were sent out on various other guys. It's a two way street gang. Just because you pick up the phone, doesn't mean the other party is interested. Let's give it time. I am very happy with the offseason to date (unlike many of my brethern)
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Seth was one of the only ones to throw Ricky under the bus when he quit...the man has some stones and an attitude whick this line needs.
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Seth was one of the only ones to throw Ricky under the bus when he quit...the man has some stones and an attitude whick this line needs.
I would say that is a McKinny trait.....
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I played with both Steve and Seth at Clear Lake High School. Seth has always been the better lineman. Steve will tell you that. Steve is more aggressive and Seth is very results based. I believe Seth would be an upgrade over anyone we have at center. He will also tell David how it is. He is not one to sit around and take the blame while David does not throw the ball. I think it would be a great pick up.
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