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A couple of months into the new Texan era, how do you like the current job the new staff is doing (trying to bring in players, cutting players, etc.).
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Yo no se, chico! It's a wait and see. But I can't really complain til I see the product on the field.rockabilly said:A couple of months into the new Texan era, how do you like the current job the new staff is doing (trying to bring in players, cutting players, etc.).
ShermanThey havent done anything to upgrade the worst O-line in the NFL
I think they are doing ok. It would be good if they could pick up Ashworth, Flanagan, Burleson and Peterson. Oh and add in Putzier.rockabilly said:A couple of months into the new Texan era, how do you like the current job the new staff is doing (trying to bring in players, cutting players, etc.).
So when did you evaluate the game film, Are you so certian it is the line and not the Tight end or running backs or maybe David himself. I trust Gary knows a tad more about film evaluation than any of you "O-Line sucks" people. The coach is following his plan to almost a T and people still complain, You just can't please everyone now can you.I only have one complaint so far .... They havent done anything to upgrade the worst O-line in the NFL .... Until the line gets better the offense will struggle no matter who is calling the plays . If they address this prior to the start of the season Ill have little to complain about.
Now, if we can just get our defenders to yank off some face-masks and go for QBs heads, we'll be ready.TheChad said:Kubiak is a pretty good coach. And it's supposedly he who came up with the "dive-at-the-defenders-knees" approach which forced defenders to either fall down or have their legs snapped in half.
Well lets see, if we had Bentley, Peterson, Randle El, and Jurevicius we would probably be $20 million over the cap right now. Bentley was going for way more than what we could afford. We aren't one of the teams that was $25 million under the cap and could spend freely. Randle El, IMO, is no better than a #3 WR. Look at his numbers, the most catches he's had is 47 in his rookie year. If we get Ike Hilliard, his number are better than Jurevicius. Peterson would have been nice, but I don't want to greatly overspend for him, especially after a season when he was hurt. I do agree about Ramsey though, I would have liked him as a backup and I think he would have given Carr some competition.TheChad said:Kubiak is a pretty good coach. And it's supposedly he who came up with the "dive-at-the-defenders-knees" approach which forced defenders to either fall down or have their legs snapped in half. That's one reason for Denver's huge success with no-name runners.
Not sure about Sherman, but the fact he was at one point a head coach does say something.
They should have been more active in free agency though. We needed Bently and we should be going for Jullian Peterson. Randle-El and Jurevicious wouldn't have been bad. Ramsey would have been a good backup.
All in all though... I mean we can't do much worse. So it's all an improvement.
Actually, he was looking to be a starter after the end of the 2004 season. He was a free agent and he said that he wanted to be a starter. He didn't get any offers so he resigned with the Texans. It's not that he wants to be a backup for his whole career, it's just that he's not good enough to be a starter. Kind of like Jason Garrett was for the Cowboys.thunderkyss said:I'm glad Tony Banks is gone... I can't stand a career backup... If a guy ends up being a career backup, I have nothing against him. But for someone to say.... I'm not interested in the Starter job...... that's insane to me. Each and every player on our team has to want to be the man.... they should all want the opportunity to get on the field, and show the league what they can do. If this team doesn't believe they should be the man, they should be hoping someone watching does. I don't think anyone should be wanting Carr to get hurt, but I want my backup to think he is starter material....
Well yea but I thought we'd at least shoot for one of them.TexanSam said:Well lets see, if we had Bentley, Peterson, Randle El, and Jurevicius we would probably be $20 million over the cap right now. Bentley was going for way more than what we could afford. We aren't one of the teams that was $25 million under the cap and could spend freely. Randle El, IMO, is no better than a #3 WR. Look at his numbers, the most catches he's had is 47 in his rookie year. If we get Ike Hilliard, his number are better than Jurevicius. Peterson would have been nice, but I don't want to greatly overspend for him, especially after a season when he was hurt. I do agree about Ramsey though, I would have liked him as a backup and I think he would have given Carr some competition.
Grid said:Sherman
Grid said:btw..before anyone else says we havent done anything about the Oline and it still sucks.
Remember Hudson Houck? He is that guy that is now at Miami coaching the Oline..he was in San Diego and he took a terrible line full of rookies and made them one of the better lines in the league in one season.
Coaching matters.
Coaching does matter .... but the player has to bring something to the table as well .... 208 sacks over 4 seasons under various coaches says something is wrong .Joe Texan said:So when did you evaluate the game film, Are you so certian it is the line and not the Tight end or running backs or maybe David himself. I trust Gary knows a tad more about film evaluation than any of you "O-Line sucks" people. The coach is following his plan to almost a T and people still complain, You just can't please everyone now can you.
I tend to believe that some of our linemen were failures of the "system" that the previous coaching staff had installed. They were all (except for Riley) decent to average linemen before they joined our team.corrosion said:I only have one complaint so far .... They havent done anything to upgrade the worst O-line in the NFL .... Until the line gets better the offense will struggle no matter who is calling the plays . If they address this prior to the start of the season Ill have little to complain about.
True. That Riley even started, much less for six weeks, should be an indication of how disconnected our coaches were from reality. This guy was a joke from start to finish and was a huge discipline/work ethic problem.TEXANS84 said:I tend to believe that some of our linemen were failures of the "system" that the previous coaching staff had installed. They were all (except for Riley) decent to average linemen before they joined our team.
corrosion said:Milford Brown and Fred Weary as your starting tackles last season was a disaster .....
corrosion said:Coaching does matter .... but the player has to bring something to the table as well .... 208 sacks over 4 seasons under various coaches says something is wrong .
Yes there are other things that contribute to the sack total .... Carr's lack of pocket presence and failure to throw the ball away before taking a sack or running out of bounds .... DD isnt very good at picking up blitzing LB's .... TE's who arent very good blockers .
But when a team uses primarily Three and Five step drops , short curls and slant patterns and still gives up 68 sacks .... There is enough blame to go around.
Milford Brown and Fred Weary as your starting Edit Guards last season was a disaster ..... McKinney getting manhandled and pushed back in the pocket wasnt pretty either . Pitts had a decent second half of the season after the failed Victor Riley experiment ..... Wade couldnt stay on the field which forced Wiegart from RG to RT .... Hurting two positions.
For those of you saying there is nothing wrong ....Dont go calling us "Chicken Little " or "Doom and Gloom" .... Its reality .... the team was 2-14 ....The offense and Defense were both statisticly DEAD LAST for the past season .... Some of the problems from last season are still problems today . When the team is competitive and lacks huge weaknesses .... you wont hear chicken little screaming the sky is falling .
I truely hope this team makes me eat some crow this coming season (Kinda like you 's last year) .....But some of us have been saying this same thing for the past Four Years ..... and we havent been wrong yet .
As for the current coaching staff .... they deserve a grace period , they inherited a HUGE MESS and it will take more than one off-season to fix it.
HJam72 said:Chicken Little
That's exactly what I think....and I'm acorrosion said:Let me clear something up here ....
I dont think scrapping the complete O-line is the answer here .... an upgrade at Center would allow McKinney to move to LG where his skills are better suited .... McKinney would be an upgrade over Milford Brown.
Replacing either the RG or RT removes Fred Weary from a starting role with Wiegart could remain at either of those positions for a year or two. One or the other ....
Pitts , Wiegart and McKinney (If he's at guard) are a solid foundation to build upon ....
Actually, that technique was being taught to the 49ers' offensive line by a guy named Bobb McKittrick while Kubiak was still a young quarterback at Texas A&M.TheChad said:Kubiak is a pretty good coach. And it's supposedly he who came up with the "dive-at-the-defenders-knees" approach which forced defenders to either fall down or have their legs snapped in half. That's one reason for Denver's huge success with no-name runners.
LINKAlthough he was loved by his players, McKittrick often was loathed by opposing defensive linemen for the tactics he taught.
McKittrick taught a technique known as cut blocking, where offensive linemen attack defenders below the waist. His techniques were legal but drew the anger of defensive linemen who feared career-ending knee injuries.
After one game, former Raiders defensive end Howie Long became so enraged at McKittrick's tactics that he chased him up the locker room tunnel at the Los Angeles Coliseum. Long never caught him.
"He took a rap for teaching questionable techniques," Cross said. "I can tell you one thing, and I'd absolutely say this to anybody at any time, and that includes Howie Long: Bobb McKittrick never taught one illegal technique."
I keep seeing this "We way over paid for Weaver" mantra and IMO, it just doesn't meet up with the facts. Check the league for what the salary average is NOW for guys who are on their SECOND contract or latter (not the rookie contracts) and I think you will see we paid at about the middle to middle upper range. Normally DTs get paid less than DEs do, yet a DT for Denver (such a big name I can't remember it) was paid 36 Mil for 6. Trevor Price an over 30 year old DE coming off of back surgury got about the same as we gave Weaver. With the extra money that became available with the new CBA, the cost of doing business in FA went up with it. We gave good money for Weaver with a BIT of "Hey it's a crappy team" premium, but we hardly gave away the farm.vtech9 said:I gave them a fair rating. I like the Walter and Weaver signings, and I'm ok with the Cook signing. What bothers me is what we paid for Weaver. I think Weaver was a good signing but we way overpaid for him. .
Just to clarify. Milford Brown is gone.. to the Cardinals I beleive. McKinney WILL be playing at left guard, and I seriously doubt we will see him take any snaps at center unless it is a dire emergency.corrosion said:Let me clear something up here ....
I dont think scrapping the complete O-line is the answer here .... an upgrade at Center would allow McKinney to move to LG where his skills are better suited .... McKinney would be an upgrade over Milford Brown.
Replacing either the RG or RT removes Fred Weary from a starting role with Wiegart could remain at either of those positions for a year or two. One or the other ....
Pitts , Wiegart and McKinney (If he's at guard) are a solid foundation to build upon ....
Hope I'm eating Crow
Amen Grid. That's a big start.Grid said:Sherman
I was also chanting that mantra, when the rumors were $13million signing bonus plus $5mil over 5 years......... which imo, is a lot of money to pay a DE that hasn't played much DE in recent years.. that would've been a contract of $38million for 5 years..edo783 said:I keep seeing this "We way over paid for Weaver" mantra and IMO,
Awful. Kubiak has as much NFL head coaching experience as I do so he hires an inexperienced staff behind him, filled with his cronies. And he continues that tradition by bringing in Putzier. Everybody knows the Texans had a good pass-catching TE with Miller until they made that position part of pass protection and threw to Davis instead of the TE. So now he brings in another one of his pals. Does that mean he feels he has the pass protection problem settled? I see no real change in that situation yet -- which means Carr may be running for his life even more with one less guy blocking for him. Oh, well. One thing I won't have to worry about is going hoarse over this team like I did the first three years. With Kubiak in control, it will be like sitting back in the bleachers and calmly watching the NFL version of those loveable Mets of 1962. Only Kubiak is certainly no Casey Stengel.rockabilly said:A couple of months into the new Texan era, how do you like the current job the new staff is doing (trying to bring in players, cutting players, etc.).
...remember last year when the 'chicken littles' were saying this exact thing and the 's were crucifying them with 'time to gel?'...what a difference a year makes!Grid said:btw..before anyone else says we havent done anything about the Oline and it still sucks.
Remember Hudson Houck? He is that guy that is now at Miami coaching the Oline..he was in San Diego and he took a terrible line full of rookies and made them one of the better lines in the league in one season.
Coaching matters.
But I didn't ...I chose to put it here! RIGHT HERE!Carr Bomb said:There are half of dozen of these threads you could of picked any of them to post your rant.
You wanted the answer, there it is. He is signing role players to fit his system and bringing in guys with experience in it, such as Putzier.tulexan said:Kubiak and the staff has a specific system and these guys fit it.
I'll give you Putzier ...Rosenfels ...Cook ...and even Walters ...have relatively NO game experience.Carr Bomb said:You wanted the answer, there it is. He is signing role players to fit his system and bringing in guys with experience in it, such as Putzier.