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Old 03-19-2006   #1
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It is the same old song and dance again. There were alot of good free agent offensive lineman available and the Texans were asleep at the wheel again! This team NEEDS O-lineman it doesn't matter if they take Reggie Bush with the first pick, he will be a BUST this year behind this line! It doesn't take an engineer to figure out the problem year in and year out, THE O-LINE STINKS. ESPN hit it right on the head with the commercial they had a year or so ago, about what does your team need in the drat and there stood Carr with no line at all in front of him against the Cowboys. That hits home every year. This is pathetic.:brickwall
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This is a good sign. By not getting anyone in the offseason, besides the very good center we're going after, we're saying that we are waiting for the big paydays to pass and draft OLmen and sign some vets later.
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It hasn't occured to you that by then the better players have signed with other teams? Then were left with the hand me downs that couldn't make it with anoither team.....If they want to be a top notch organization then they need to pick up top notch players and not wait for the scraps.........
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I think we are doing a decent job. We bring in Flanagan and Ashworth and ill be pretty stocked about the upgrades to the line. Ashworth is the quick mobile O-lineman that Kubiack likes. Flannagan is a former Sherman guy.

If we sign these two guys who we are targeting, and have brought in for visits. Our line will be much upgraded. Albiet we will not have the most crucial position in LT, all other spots on the line will be quite solid with Mckinney playing guard, Flannangan at center. Pitts at the other guard and Ashworth at tackle. We will probably move Pitts back to LT and let weigart and wade fight for the last guard spot.

I think we are going to spend a first day pick on the O-line too. probably our second rounder. We pick up a left tackle prospect there and our line could be solid. The oldest starter flannagan would have young hodgon learning behind him.

But its all on getting the players we have targeted. Flannagan and Ashworth.
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This team NEEDS O-lineman it doesn't matter if they take Reggie Bush with the first pick, he will be a BUST this year behind this line!
Pass protection and run-blocking are two totally different things.
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It is the same old song and dance again. There were alot of good free agent offensive lineman available and the Texans were asleep at the wheel again! This team NEEDS O-lineman it doesn't matter if they take Reggie Bush with the first pick, he will be a BUST this year behind this line! It doesn't take an engineer to figure out the problem year in and year out, THE O-LINE STINKS. ESPN hit it right on the head with the commercial they had a year or so ago, about what does your team need in the drat and there stood Carr with no line at all in front of him against the Cowboys. That hits home every year. This is pathetic.:brickwall
Who are the all-pro linemen you are wanting the Texans to target? I'm not saying the line play does need improving. There are still linemen that haven't signed and adding a couple of them is still a possibility. Bentley was never going to come to Houston so if that's the main guy you are thinking of you can't place the blame on the Texans doorstep.
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It hasn't occured to you that by then the better players have signed with other teams? Then were left with the hand me downs that couldn't make it with anoither team.....If they want to be a top notch organization then they need to pick up top notch players and not wait for the scraps.........
The closer we are to the start of free agency, the more likely it will be that we overpay for a FA. Besides, there are still some guys that could be cut.
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This team NEEDS O-lineman it doesn't matter if they take Reggie Bush with the first pick, he will be a BUST this year behind this line! It doesn't take an engineer to figure out the problem year in and year out, THE O-LINE STINKS.
Yeah because the guy with lesser talent (DD) has run for a 1000+ yards, so obviously the guy with more talent (Bush) will do less with the 15th ranked rushing offense from last year (from ESPN.com). Stop watching commercials and pay more attention to your team.
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It is the same old song and dance again. There were alot of good free agent offensive lineman available and the Texans were asleep at the wheel again! This team NEEDS O-lineman it doesn't matter if they take Reggie Bush with the first pick, he will be a BUST this year behind this line! It doesn't take an engineer to figure out the problem year in and year out, THE O-LINE STINKS. ESPN hit it right on the head with the commercial they had a year or so ago, about what does your team need in the drat and there stood Carr with no line at all in front of him against the Cowboys. That hits home every year. This is pathetic.:brickwall


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I have said this so many times over the last 5 months. I think Kubiak is aware of this fact and he has a method to his madness.
D'Brickshaw Fergusen is looking pretty good. If we get GB's Center then this seems to be the next logical step.
We do not need a high dollar RB from USC. Kubiak is a Offensive Coordinator and a successsfull one at that. Capers never had a clue and he failed to suround himself with a good OC for four years and that is why he is gone.


A real every down TE would be a big help too.
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Pass protection and run-blocking are two totally different things.
Don't you ever get tired of saying that. I have to constantly remind people that on the jags board and now we have to do it here. :brickwall
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Ill keep saying we walk out of free agency with Flanagan and Ashworth and we are doing great.
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Who are the all-pro linemen you are wanting the Texans to target? I'm not saying the line play does need improving. There are still linemen that haven't signed and adding a couple of them is still a possibility. Bentley was never going to come to Houston so if that's the main guy you are thinking of you can't place the blame on the Texans doorstep.
Guard Toniu Fonoti,
Tackle, L.j. Shelton
Center, Kevin Mawae
Center, Justin Hartwig
Tackle, Stocker McDougal
Tackle, Mike Williams
Guard, Jason Whittle
Tackle, Jason Fabini
Guard, Juaquin Gonzalez
And possibly a couple others if they don't resign with there currant team
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And as far as run bloking and pass protection being two different things they are, BUT if you can't throw, teams will stack the line of scrimmage and beat your running game to death, So they are connected as far as having a complete and balanced team.
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Hey Seth McKinney is out there we could sign him to compete at C. He fits the system and has started in Miami for a year or two now. Not sure we want another McKinney on the line, but he is pretty talented. War_Eagle just looking at your list other than Hartwig the rest of the guys dont really fit our system. Juaquin Gonzalez is from the U and can play a little Tackle in a pinch though. Not overly anxious for the Texans to go hard in FA. Yeah the OL has suffered, but right now I would think our line just penciled in looks something like this
LT Chester Pitts-LG Steve McKinney- C Drew Hogdon-RG Fread Weary-RT Zach Weigert.

To me that is a pretty solid line that could use upgrades at C and RG. Also would need to bring in a RT later in the draft to be mentored by Weigert for a year.
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Guard Toniu Fonoti,
Tackle, L.j. Shelton
Center, Kevin Mawae
Center, Justin Hartwig
Tackle, Stocker McDougal
Tackle, Mike Williams
Guard, Jason Whittle
Tackle, Jason Fabini
Guard, Juaquin Gonzalez
And possibly a couple others if they don't resign with there currant team
if this is a list of current players still available ..then I believe Fabini,williams (jacksonville) and Mawae .. are gone already

if this was a list of people we should have hit earlier in FA..then forgive me for not reading this right
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And as far as run bloking and pass protection being two different things they are, BUT if you can't throw, teams will stack the line of scrimmage and beat your running game to death, So they are connected as far as having a complete and balanced team.
Despite being a 4th round pick with below avg. speed DD has come in and put up two 1000 yard seasons and would of put up a third if he could just stay healthy and we are about to install Denver's running scheme. I really don't think Bush or the Texans are going to have a problem running the ball.
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Yeah because the guy with lesser talent (DD) has run for a 1000+ yards, so obviously the guy with more talent (Bush) will do less with the 15th ranked rushing offense from last year (from ESPN.com). Stop watching commercials and pay more attention to your team.
Making a point! I do pay attention to my team, thats the problem, the team doesn't pay attention to itself. Everything begins up front. You honestly think that this team will be saved by Reggie Bush alone? Ashworth and Flanagan are not a sure thing.
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if this is a list of current players still available ..then I believe Fabini,williams (jacksonville) and Mawae .. are gone already

if this was a list of people we should have hit earlier in FA..then forgive me for not reading this right
No these were all FA at the beginning and most have already signed with other teams
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Can we please wait until FA and the draft has passed before we blast the team for moves not made.
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