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**Texans34Life** · 03-19-2006

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3733368.html

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They have several free agents to meet with this week, including wide receivers Ike Hilliard and Nate Burleson, tight end Jeb Putzier and middle linebacker Sam Cowart.

TexanSam · 03-19-2006

I always liked Hilliard. Him and Amani Toomer were a pretty good duo for the Giants for a few years. I wouldn't mind if we got him, but he's getting up there in age. He'll turn 30 this year and his production hasn't been that great the last 3 or 4 years. I would much rather have Burleson. He's younger and has more potential. A tandem of Burleson and AJ would be much more lethal than a duo of AJ/Ike.

**Texans34Life** · 03-19-2006

Texans | Team to visit with Cowart this week
Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:29:59 -0800

Megan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans will visit with free agent LB Sam Cowart (Vikings) sometime this week.

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Texans | Team to visit with Hilliard this week
Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:29:32 -0800

Megan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans will visit with free agent WR Ike Hilliard (Buccaneers) sometime this week.

DominatorDavis · 03-19-2006

Hmm, I don't know if these guys are going to mount to much even if we do land them.

TheOgre · 03-19-2006

Cowart is getting up there in age, as is Hilliard. Hilliard hasn't been very effective for a few years.

throwANDREtheBALL · 03-19-2006

After we get Cowart and Hilliard, we should target LB - MO LEWIS and WR - HERMAN MOORE !!!!

Cuz you just know they WERE good.......LIKE 5 or 7 years ago.

NOW, lets throw in some stupid big money......and then all we have to do is chalk up the next 5 years for a PIECE of $*#! team.

This is disgusting!

:brickwall

**Kaiser Toro** · 03-19-2006

Are we bringing Ike Hilliard to talk about being a coach? Are we doing a favor for an agent by bringing him in? They cannot be serious about signing this cat.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1785

chuckm · 03-19-2006

How about reserve the hand wringing for when and if someone's signed? Unless it brings pleasure, then by all means continue ....

Maddict5 · 03-19-2006

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Originally Posted by Texans34Life

Megan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans will visit with free agent WR Ike Hilliard (Buccaneers) sometime this week.

bet growing up was a *****

aj. · 03-19-2006

If it was, it doesn't show.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

Are we bringing Ike Hilliard to talk about being a coach? Are we doing a favor for an agent by bringing him in? They cannot be serious about signing this cat.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1785

Hey, you can never have enough 30 year old receivers. Plus he's from Florida so he'll fill that void in the WR corps.

Mailman04 · 03-19-2006

If they were signing Ike Hilliard to be their NO. 1 WR it would be one thing, but they are just looking at him to fill another number. Sure, I would rather have Nate Burleson, but at least they are covering their rears if they don't get Nate. Ike is better than Bradford.

**Kaiser Toro** · 03-19-2006

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Originally Posted by chuckm

How about reserve the hand wringing for when and if someone's signed? Unless it brings pleasure, then by all means continue ....

How about reserving your censure pleas on other posters takes on a situation? It would bring pleasure to me if I knew where you stood on this issue rather than where you stood on me putting my neck out to say something and spark debate. We are both men behind the curtain in the virtual world armed with reporters and search engines to talk about. If I over stepped an unwritten rule in the world of the message board please let me know. Otherwise I will just chalk it up to someone whose wife has recently changed the coffee brand at their house.

Johnny Utah · 03-19-2006

Ike Hilliard stinks right now, and I hope the Texans don't get him.

Cowart can still play and will be a decent addition at a position where we need depth.

Porky · 03-19-2006

I am pretty excited about Cowart. Sure, he is no youngster. I believe he is around 31, so age is a slight issue, but it's not as if he is 37. This was a guy picked in the 2nd rd, and has been to a pro-bowl in 2000, and is a serious upgrade at MLB for us imo. I hope we can get him.

As to Ike, less enthused....but, the real question is do you want Ike, and whatever player you can get at the first spot in round three, or Burleson. If it's just those two players straight up, it's no contest. But, when considering that Nate costs us our third, and Ike doesn't, things even out a bit more. I think I would lean toward Nate regardless, but when put in those terms it's not a slam dunk to me.

I'm just glad that we are bringing in guys, at least it shows we are trying to upgrade this team. Keep it up guys!

Mr Shush · 03-19-2006

Right. Cowart's not a great player any more, but he's serviceable, and would fill a clear need. He is probably the best free agent middle line-backer on the market (which is a week one at that position) and as far as I'm aware there are no very highly regarded MLB prospects in the draft. In any case, our D could use some extra experience. Drafting Thurman or Tatupu a year ago instead of trading for Buchanon might have been better, but what's done is done, and right now he looks like the best option out there. If the price was reasonable, I'd like to see him sign.

Hilliard, on the other hand, sucks. I'm not sure he'd be an upgrade over Bradford; I'm quite sure he wouldn't be an upgrade over Armstrong.

TexanFan881 · 03-19-2006

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Originally Posted by Hulk75

Ike is old, i dont know. I like Sam Cowart, (Ibelieve he made the ProBowl a couple times), that would put Wong......Cowart.....Greenwood, not bad.

I would think that is a pretty good LB corps. Cowart is 31 but he still has a few years left in him. I would be happy to get him.

DomDavis · 03-19-2006

As someone who watched most Tampa games last year, I can assure y'all that Hilliard still has a lot left in the tank. He was a very reliable third receiver and actually moved up to second for a good part of the season with Clayton injured. He didn't wow with numbers - remember, the Bucs are a power running team with Cadillac Williams - but he was steady and reliable and developed a reputation for making difficult catches. He's most certainly an upgrade over Bradford, if for no other reason than he has reliable hands.

Numbers aren't the whole story on players. Ask any Tampa fan, and they'll tell you the same thing... Hilliard can still play.

PokerStar · 03-19-2006

Ok, I agree that Hilliard can still play, but not a solid fit for this team. He has lost a step and is not much better than a slot guy. With Mathis, Armstrong, possibly Bush, and Walter on the team dont you think we have enough slot type guys. Cowart on the other hand is a waste of time. Terry Pierce and possibly rocky McIntosh or Leon williams could take care of the MLB position till Wong recovers.

TEXANRED · 03-19-2006

Don't get me wrong, I am a Texan fan thru and thru.......but.

There are moments during the offseason when I stare at this screen and read our FA signings and I have to ask myself..............why am I a Texan fan?

Why did we just throw 13 million at a DE who in four years has 14.5 sacks? This looks to me like another Greenwood signing.

6.4 million with a 2 million signing bonus for a receiver who caught 19 passes and one touchdown! Is he supposed to be better than Gaffney?

I think we are worse in FA than we are in the draft.

So far we have aquired:

Smith
Wade
Rivers
Greenwood
Pbuc
Norris
Zack
The Tackle we got from the Pats for one year, cant remember his name
Riley
Wong
Bruener

This year isnt shaping up to be any better. There are only two on this list that are even half way decent, Smith and Zack. I am not impressed with Wong, sorry, his 4 to 5 sacks a year are just not that impressive to me.

In the mean time we let Sharper, Glenne, Foley, Posey, and Gaffney hit the streets.

Why does Casserly still have a job!?

Thats just how I feel about it.

nunusguy · 03-19-2006

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Originally Posted by Mr Shush

as far as I'm aware there are no very highly regarded MLB prospects in the draft.

Not so. This is thought to be an excellent year for LBs,including MLBs. And the
Draft is also deep at this position, so good backers are expected to be available into the middle rounds.

03-19-2006	#3
Texans34Life I BLEED TEXANS! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Displaced in Cowboys Hell Age: 34 Posts: 1,287 Rep Power: 1027	Texans \| Team to visit with Cowart this week Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:29:59 -0800 Megan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans will visit with free agent LB Sam Cowart (Vikings) sometime this week. ------------------------------------------------------ Texans \| Team to visit with Hilliard this week Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:29:32 -0800 Megan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans will visit with free agent WR Ike Hilliard (Buccaneers) sometime this week. __________________ ADOPT-A-TEXAN 2011-2012 - AJ80 "DRE" HoustonTexans4Life - 2010-2011 CHAMPION of TexansTalk Survivor and TexansTalk Pick'em

03-19-2006	#4
DominatorDavis Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 160 Rep Power: 10	Hmm, I don't know if these guys are going to mount to much even if we do land them. __________________ http://www.FireHippo.com

03-19-2006	#5
TheOgre Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back in the cellar again Posts: 3,739 Rep Power: 16	Cowart is getting up there in age, as is Hilliard. Hilliard hasn't been very effective for a few years. __________________ "...the Texans select...Adrian Peterson, RB, University of Oklahoma."

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throwANDREtheBALL Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: CANADA Age: 31 Posts: 230 Rep Power: 0	This is great! After we get Cowart and Hilliard, we should target LB - MO LEWIS and WR - HERMAN MOORE !!!! Cuz you just know they WERE good.......LIKE 5 or 7 years ago. NOW, lets throw in some stupid big money......and then all we have to do is chalk up the next 5 years for a PIECE of $*#! team. This is disgusting! :brickwall

03-19-2006	#7
Kaiser Toro Native Mod Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Straight Outta Austin Age: 43 Posts: 15,890 Rep Power: 19756	Are we bringing Ike Hilliard to talk about being a coach? Are we doing a favor for an agent by bringing him in? They cannot be serious about signing this cat. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1785 __________________ Texans 2012: Kidz II Men

03-19-2006	#2
TexanSam Hall of Fame Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston Age: 25 Posts: 16,612 Rep Power: 23265	I always liked Hilliard. Him and Amani Toomer were a pretty good duo for the Giants for a few years. I wouldn't mind if we got him, but he's getting up there in age. He'll turn 30 this year and his production hasn't been that great the last 3 or 4 years. I would much rather have Burleson. He's younger and has more potential. A tandem of Burleson and AJ would be much more lethal than a duo of AJ/Ike.

03-19-2006	#8
chuckm Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Spring Age: 51 Posts: 1,896 Rep Power: 13	How about reserve the hand wringing for when and if someone's signed? Unless it brings pleasure, then by all means continue .... __________________ Sabbatical: an extended period away from our daily routine to refresh our minds and spirits

03-19-2006	#11
Mailman04 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 129 Rep Power: 0	If they were signing Ike Hilliard to be their NO. 1 WR it would be one thing, but they are just looking at him to fill another number. Sure, I would rather have Nate Burleson, but at least they are covering their rears if they don't get Nate. Ike is better than Bradford.

03-19-2006	#13
Johnny Utah All Pro Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 551 Rep Power: 10	Ike Hilliard stinks right now, and I hope the Texans don't get him. Cowart can still play and will be a decent addition at a position where we need depth.

03-19-2006	#14
Porky Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 11,359 Rep Power: 15839	I am pretty excited about Cowart. Sure, he is no youngster. I believe he is around 31, so age is a slight issue, but it's not as if he is 37. This was a guy picked in the 2nd rd, and has been to a pro-bowl in 2000, and is a serious upgrade at MLB for us imo. I hope we can get him. As to Ike, less enthused....but, the real question is do you want Ike, and whatever player you can get at the first spot in round three, or Burleson. If it's just those two players straight up, it's no contest. But, when considering that Nate costs us our third, and Ike doesn't, things even out a bit more. I think I would lean toward Nate regardless, but when put in those terms it's not a slam dunk to me. I'm just glad that we are bringing in guys, at least it shows we are trying to upgrade this team. Keep it up guys! __________________ Your local CruiseOne Vacation specialist. www.firstclasscruising.biz Visit me on Facebook.

03-19-2006	#15
Mr Shush Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oxford, England Age: 30 Posts: 176 Rep Power: 9	Right. Cowart's not a great player any more, but he's serviceable, and would fill a clear need. He is probably the best free agent middle line-backer on the market (which is a week one at that position) and as far as I'm aware there are no very highly regarded MLB prospects in the draft. In any case, our D could use some extra experience. Drafting Thurman or Tatupu a year ago instead of trading for Buchanon might have been better, but what's done is done, and right now he looks like the best option out there. If the price was reasonable, I'd like to see him sign. Hilliard, on the other hand, sucks. I'm not sure he'd be an upgrade over Bradford; I'm quite sure he wouldn't be an upgrade over Armstrong.

03-19-2006	#17
DomDavis Veteran Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 28 Posts: 303 Rep Power: 11	As someone who watched most Tampa games last year, I can assure y'all that Hilliard still has a lot left in the tank. He was a very reliable third receiver and actually moved up to second for a good part of the season with Clayton injured. He didn't wow with numbers - remember, the Bucs are a power running team with Cadillac Williams - but he was steady and reliable and developed a reputation for making difficult catches. He's most certainly an upgrade over Bradford, if for no other reason than he has reliable hands. Numbers aren't the whole story on players. Ask any Tampa fan, and they'll tell you the same thing... Hilliard can still play.

03-19-2006	#18
PokerStar Veteran Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 35 Posts: 104 Rep Power: 8	Ok, I agree that Hilliard can still play, but not a solid fit for this team. He has lost a step and is not much better than a slot guy. With Mathis, Armstrong, possibly Bush, and Walter on the team dont you think we have enough slot type guys. Cowart on the other hand is a waste of time. Terry Pierce and possibly rocky McIntosh or Leon williams could take care of the MLB position till Wong recovers. __________________ Pocket Bullets and I am going ALL IN!!!

03-19-2006	#19
TEXANRED Texan-American Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 37 Posts: 5,964 Rep Power: 12236	Don't get me wrong, I am a Texan fan thru and thru.......but. There are moments during the offseason when I stare at this screen and read our FA signings and I have to ask myself..............why am I a Texan fan? Why did we just throw 13 million at a DE who in four years has 14.5 sacks? This looks to me like another Greenwood signing. 6.4 million with a 2 million signing bonus for a receiver who caught 19 passes and one touchdown! Is he supposed to be better than Gaffney? I think we are worse in FA than we are in the draft. So far we have aquired: Smith Wade Rivers Greenwood Pbuc Norris Zack The Tackle we got from the Pats for one year, cant remember his name Riley Wong Bruener This year isnt shaping up to be any better. There are only two on this list that are even half way decent, Smith and Zack. I am not impressed with Wong, sorry, his 4 to 5 sacks a year are just not that impressive to me. In the mean time we let Sharper, Glenne, Foley, Posey, and Gaffney hit the streets. Why does Casserly still have a job!? Thats just how I feel about it. __________________ I am in an abusive relationship with life and I am to cowardly to leave it. - Homer Simpson.

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