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Old 03-13-2006   #1
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Default My take on the Texans after the first weekend of Free Agency

First, let's start with what we know for sure (and yes this will probably end up being a pretty long post, but it's been awhile since I've done one of those):
The Texans signed DE Anthony Weaver to a 5 year deal for $26.5 million with a $13 million bonus. He is regarded as a good runstopping DE, but won't contribute much to our pass rush. In my opinion we paid much more than we should have for him, but that's the nature of the free agent market.
The Texans signed QB Sage Rosenfels to a 4 year deal for $7 million. I don't understand this acquisition, I don't see him being anywhere near the best QB on teh market, and while I wouldn't have paid a ton of money for a very top guy like Drew Brees, I would have looked for someone better than Rosenfels, maybe Brian Griese etc. or at least talk to them and see what kind of deal they're looking for.
The Texans signed FB Jameel Cook to a 5 year deal for $5 million. Denver's offense typically utilizes more versatile and athletic FBs, so I can understand the pick but I think we overpaid for him too.

The Texans are rumored to be pursuing several other players too, but as of now they haven't signed any others. My personal thoughts on free agency differ from what I've seen out of the Texans so far. I would prefer to target one top guy on each side of the ball and make a serious run at them rather than targeting more mid-level players and signing them to top-20 money for their position, I'd rather pay more money but get a top player. While Steve Hutchinson and LeCharles Bentley got huge deals that I would not have matched, I would have liked to see them at least make somewhat of a run at Bentley, or else pick one of the other top guys at a position that we need (Kevin Shaffer, Antwaan Randle El, etc. on offense) and make competitive offers to them. If we're going to pay someone $3-5 million more than we should have to, I'd prefer we're at least getting a top guy rather than spending that much extra on mid-level guys. Especially with the draft picks we have coming, I'd prefer to address one big need on each side of the ball with the top guy available (even if we have to overpay on each one) then address the rest of our needs thru the draft where we're not going to have to spend as much money on them, other than the #1 overall pick. Instead, we look like we're overpaying on several mid-level players to (as someone else posted on these boards earlier today) "fill our needs in free agency so we can draft player X at #1" etc. I see the importance of adding depth that can compete for playing time, but we appear to be bringing in yet another crop of players of mediocre talent, then we have "filled" most of our needs and go into the draft with less of an objective purpose and less of a clear focus on who we should be drafting.

That said, let's look at what else we've done with the team and possible implications on the draft. We resigned Antwan Peek to the mid-level tender, so it will take a 1st round pick from another team if they want to sign him from us, and needless to say no one will give that up for him, so we've protected him and ensured he'll be here. Everything I've heard from anyone in the organization, both in the media and from the few people I know, indicates that the coaches plan to start Peek at RDE, and have Babin come in at LDE on passing situations and sub in for Peek. By signing Anthony Weaver, unless they intend to switch him over to full-time DT (in which case we drastically overpaid him) he will be our LDE. I think he could play DT and I personally wanted the Texans to draft Mario Williams in which case Weaver would be a DT if we signed him, but I don't see that being the case.

I think the team is pretty satisfied with Chester Pitts as their LT, so I don't think D'Brickashaw Ferguson was a very serious consideration since the end of the season. Casserly had said a couple different times on the radio before the end of the year that they would have to evaluate if Pitts was their long-term LT, and later that Pitts appeared to be their guy, and they haven't said anything about looking at D'Brickashaw or looking to move Pitts elsewhere on the OLine. I think they could look for a RT either in the draft or in free agency, but that would not include taking D'Brick.

I also don't think D'Brick is worth the #1 overall pick, and I really don't see us getting a very good trade offer from any of the top 5-6 teams in the draft, especially if the Saints sign Drew Brees. I also don't think the Texans will trade down below the top few picks, Casserly has also broken down a couple times on the radio that there are a few "elite" players at the top of the draft, then a group of very good players, but that they'd need a huge deal to move out of being able to take one of the elite guys. I don't see them getting an offer that big to move down below the elite group, and I don't see them getting much of an offer to move down in the top couple picks.

I don't think Vince Young has been a serious consideration at the #1 pick for the last week or two at least since the Combine, and I think after Mario's stellar workout it became a decision between Bush and Mario. With the recent signing of Anthony Weaver to apparently play LDE and the tender level used to keep Peek, I think it rules out picking Mario Williams (who could have been a great LDE IMO or coule have played RDE with Weaver at LDE) amd clearly means Bush will be our #1 pick.

From there, numerous options exist for our 2nd round pick. I think with Bush at #1 we could very likely go for defense in the 2nd round. I don't see them taking a LB that high with Wong and Greenwood locked into contracts and Shantee Orr opening some eyes last season, and I've also heard praise from the coaches for Orr. That doesn't leave a spot for an incoming LB. I think we shored up our DLine to the extent that they plan on doing for now, so I don't see them drafting a DE or DT at #33, which leaves DB. There should be some good CBs and FSs available there. Johnathan Joseph could fall and would be a great pick for us, Donte Whitner or Daniel Bullocks would be good picks at FS and could both be there. We could also take a TE, but I don't think they'd take anyone but Leonard Pope at #33, and if they sign Jeb Putzier I don't know if they'd even look at a TE in the draft unless someone like Klopfenstein or Tim Day last until the 4th round. They could look at OL, I don't think Marcus McNeill will be a top option for us at RT, I think Daryn Colledge would be a better fit. I'm not sure he's really worth the #33 pick, but with Ferguson, Justice, and Winston all almost for sure going in the 1st round Colledge would be our best option there and they could take him. There is a chance they could also take Nick Mangold if he's available to either play C or G, I think he'd be a great pick for either position, but the chances of that will also depend on what else we do in free agency.

Chris Chester would be a very nice option for us at C or G in the 3rd to 4th round. We could likely get him in the 4th, but depending on how many needs we "address" in free agency and how the draft is going I could even see them using one of our 3rd round picks on him. Other than him, we could look at TE (if we don't sign a FA and don't get one higher in the draft), WR, DB, and LB in the later rounds. If we go with a CB or S at #33, I think we could look for the other position in the 3rd-5th rounds (i.e. Johnathan Joseph at #33 then look for a FS later). Greg Blue at S and Cedric Griffin or Alan Zemaitis at CB woudl all be conceivable options, among many other players. We could look at LB in the later rounds as depth/future replacement, Terna Nande from Miami OH put up an impressive workout at the combine and could be a good option if his on-field play is on par with his workout. Brandon Marshall would be a nice option at WR. I personally think he's better than Maurice Stovall, around the same size, faster, as good of hands, and I think he looks more fluid and maybe a better route runner, but being from a smaller school he isn't getting the same amount of attention. He could slip to the 4th round, but like with Chester depending on what we do in free agency (if we pick up quality WRs and how many of our other needs we fill) and how we use our earlier picks, I could see us taking him in the 3rd round as well. I think he could be our #2 WR, maybe have to wait a year for him to develop, but I think he's that good.

I don't necessarily want much of what I've said to be the situation for the Texans, but as of now that's how I see things with the team. If you had the patience to read thru all of my post, hopefully you've seen a new perspective on things and you can choose to agree or disagree with my views on what I see the Texans options being now. As I said, this is far from my ideal situation as of a week or so ago, but this is how I see things right now. Well, this long post has worn me out and I need to get to sleep, so feel free to read thru this and leave any comments you have and I'll check back tomorrow.
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Dude, I tried. Is there any way you could post cliff notes to your posts. Maybe start doing posts on tape, I could squeeze them in on my monthly trips to the Artic Circle and back.....twice.

I'm just kidding. I read it. You make some interesting points. Well put.
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While I dont like it, I tend to agree with your assessment. What I don't like is that defense for next this season is going to be about 90% the same (personel wise) as it was last year (and we all know what a disaster that was). Next, throw in a new defensive coordinator AND a whole new defense and I just dont see where we are going to stop anybody. I see no gamebreaker on that side of the ball. I see nobody who can get to the QB.

I guess Casserly made his bed with Babin and has to act like he is a player and we are locked in to many of these guys so there really isnt too much they can do. But, IMO, adding a Mario Williams would at least be an attempt to put somebody who can dominate the line of scrimmage out there and keep our defense off the field.

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Great post with a lot of effort. I would, however, like to bring a little more attention to our LB crew. Wong is not expected to be ready to start the season while he recovers from 2 major knee surgeries and may not be the same he was until next year if he is the same ever again. With Peek and Babin moving to DE, that takes away two more LB's. That leaves us with Greenwood, Orr, and Anderson. While I believe we will be ok at OLB, being able to use Peek or Babin in a pinch, we have no true MLB on our roster. I doubt the FO is willing to spend a high pick in this years draft because of the money that is being tied up in the group, but through the Supplamental Draft, Ahmad Brooks is available. Nick Reid, and the MLB from Miami (FL) who's name I can't recall, should both be available in the later rounds. The FA pool of MLB is very slim, so we must address this need some time soon.

Also, I like Joseph, but not at #33 right now. At #33 I like Simpson if he falls or Whitner from Ohio St. Eric Winston if available and a Jon Scott would be very tempting at #33 since we are now unfortunatly going with Bush. A guy like Mangold is a possibility, but I can see them holding off for maybe Settersom or Eslinger in the 3rd or 4th.

Our need for DE is less appearant now, but the need still exists. We cannot spend a high pick on one though, so guys like Ray Edwards who could very easily start his rookie year are good options in the 3rd. Many Lawson might be an option, but he is more of a 3-4 OLB. Elvis Dumervile, who I was very high on during the season, has fallen off like I predicted because of his "average" workout numbers. He would be a solid option in round 3 or 4.
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Great post with a lot of effort. I would, however, like to bring a little more attention to our LB crew. Wong is not expected to be ready to start the season while he recovers from 2 major knee surgeries and may not be the same he was until next year if he is the same ever again. With Peek and Babin moving to DE, that takes away two more LB's. That leaves us with Greenwood, Orr, and Anderson. While I believe we will be ok at OLB, being able to use Peek or Babin in a pinch, we have no true MLB on our roster. I doubt the FO is willing to spend a high pick in this years draft because of the money that is being tied up in the group, but through the Supplamental Draft, Ahmad Brooks is available. Nick Reid, and the MLB from Miami (FL) who's name I can't recall, should both be available in the later rounds. The FA pool of MLB is very slim, so we must address this need some time soon.
Agreed, Anthony Schlegel (Ohio St.), Leon Williams (Miami), or Roger McIntosh (Miami) would all be nice options at MLB in the later rounds. I'm not sure how far McIntosh will fall but the other two should be available with our pick in the 4th round.

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Also, I like Joseph, but not at #33 right now. At #33 I like Simpson if he falls or Whitner from Ohio St. Eric Winston if available and a Jon Scott would be very tempting at #33 since we are now unfortunatly going with Bush. A guy like Mangold is a possibility, but I can see them holding off for maybe Settersom or Eslinger in the 3rd or 4th.
We'd be lucky if Johnathan Joseph falls to #33, he is a bigger Dunta Robinson and is as good as Dunta in almost every way, but with a deeper draft this year there's a chance he would fall to #33 rather than requiring the #10 pick. I personally would rather have him than Ko Simpson. Eric Winston would absolutely be my top choice at #33 if he somehow fell, but right now he's the #2 OT in the draft and even if Winston Justice regains the 2nd OT ranking they should both go in the 1st round. Jonathan Scott is not that tempting at #33 to me. Daryn Colledge would fit our blocking scheme better than Scott or McNeill (Scott would fit better than McNeill, but he's not as good as McNeill or Colledge). I don't really like any of those three at #33, but I could see them taking Colledge there. If Scott falls to #65 I could definitely see us taking him there, assuming we don't get an OT at #33.

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Our need for DE is less appearant now, but the need still exists. We cannot spend a high pick on one though, so guys like Ray Edwards who could very easily start his rookie year are good options in the 3rd. Many Lawson might be an option, but he is more of a 3-4 OLB. Elvis Dumervile, who I was very high on during the season, has fallen off like I predicted because of his "average" workout numbers. He would be a solid option in round 3 or 4.
Dumurvil could also be more of a 3-4 OLB, and I don't see us spending a first day pick on a DE with Weaver being our LDE and Peek/Babin at RDE. If a good player falls into the second day I could see them taking another one, but I don't see it on the first day. Manny Lawson probably won't fall out of the 1st round, and he is definitely more of a 3-4 OLB so I don't see us getting him.

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Agreed, Anthony Schlegel (Ohio St.), Leon Williams (Miami), or Roger McIntosh (Miami) would all be nice options at MLB in the later rounds. I'm not sure how far McIntosh will fall but the other two should be available with our pick in the 4th round.
Thats the guy I was thinking of (Leon Williams).

I did forget about schlegel and he would be a solid option. I basicly see all of those guys with the exception of Rocky being nothing more than average. I see Ahmad Brooks being a STUD and a better LB than Hawk in two years. McIntosh is Vilma lite. I'm tired of filling holes with mediocracy. I want talent.
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I really dont have that much to say about our FA so far. I think Weaver will be good. Kinda pricey, but we need him bad, and Baltimore wanted him back. So it took money to get it done. I would have liked to see us go after Kitna over Sage. But im not sure if Kitna is looking to be a starter. Same with Josh McCown. He even went to school (HS and College) in Texas. Cook will be fine in our new offense, and I think was worth the money.

Other than that, I would like us to consider Arrington. I know hes not the saint that we normally go after. But he is a stud when he plays like he can.
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I'm not too happyt with our FA activity either. I too, would have liked to have taken a run at a first rate talent on both sides of the line,, heck, either side of the line. If we are going to be passing on D'Brick & Mario... Signing Weaver, doesn't convince me, that we won't be taking Mario.... from what I've seen, Mario can play both sides of the line, mayber they'll have Mario on the Right side, Weaver on the left on Run downs, then switch Mario to the left, Babin on the Right on Passing situations..

We also need a good solid Rotation, to keep the Defensive Line fresh, deep into the fourth Quarter, so I still have my hopes up for Mario.....

Kubes & Casserly seem to be looking for Value, & I don't have a problem with that....... But Value shouldn't cost us 5-6 million a year.
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the week before FA Casserly said don't expect any big names......&......that we'll be adressing needs in free agency and then taking the best player available who fits our system in the draft.
so this is no surprise and a matter of fact going according to plan, in the same old conservative, plodding nature we've come to expect from GM Casserly. remember he is an old pro and much smarter than we are.....thats why he lives in the big house and makes the big bucks
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While I dont like it, I tend to agree with your assessment. What I don't like is that defense for next this season is going to be about 90% the same (personel wise) as it was last year (and we all know what a disaster that was). Next, throw in a new defensive coordinator AND a whole new defense and I just dont see where we are going to stop anybody. I see no gamebreaker on that side of the ball. I see nobody who can get to the QB.

I guess Casserly made his bed with Babin and has to act like he is a player and we are locked in to many of these guys so there really isnt too much they can do. But, IMO, adding a Mario Williams would at least be an attempt to put somebody who can dominate the line of scrimmage out there and keep our defense off the field.

Fix the line and you fix the offense.
I would love to see Mario on board, but personally I do not believe our personnel were the big issue defensively ... I think it was our defensive system/playcalling, plain and simple.
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Great stuff Mork. I posted this on another thread, but it piggybacks on your post at a high level to compliment your granular take on the situation at hand.

After coming out of the gates with emotion rather than rational thought to our current foray into Free Agency I thought it would be good to frame my thoughts under the current landscape rather than past actions of the franchise.

Firstly, the CBA has attached approximately 8 million more dollars to what the cap was projected to be. This gives teams more to spend and gives players and their agents more wiggle room to up requests on their services. There has not been an uptick, at least I have not seen it, the amount of players that they can have on their roster. This means that you have to or are able to pay more for players, that is the nature of the agreement that the owners and players agreed upon. In a nutshell the dollar value that we sign players today is more than what we perceived their value would have been last year.

Secondly, we do not know what Kubiak, Reeves and Cass think about the current talent level of each player under contract and how they fit into the new scheme. They are really the only ones that are privy to that at the moment.

Lastly, change is good given our history and we have seen plenty in the last couple of months and will continue to see more in the coming months. I liked it when we signed Kubiak and wanted to see him place his stamp on this team. He is doing that. It pains me the way it is going down, but I signed up for it and need to see how it shakes out as there has been no way to measure a result until our new Texans hit the field.

Maybe a homer rant, but I do not want to poo-poo on somehting that is immeasurable at the moment, since expectations were low for short term results even before free agency.
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I'm not too happyt with our FA activity either. I too, would have liked to have taken a run at a first rate talent on both sides of the line,, heck, either side of the line. If we are going to be passing on D'Brick & Mario... Signing Weaver, doesn't convince me, that we won't be taking Mario.... from what I've seen, Mario can play both sides of the line, mayber they'll have Mario on the Right side, Weaver on the left on Run downs, then switch Mario to the left, Babin on the Right on Passing situations..

We also need a good solid Rotation, to keep the Defensive Line fresh, deep into the fourth Quarter, so I still have my hopes up for Mario.....

Kubes & Casserly seem to be looking for Value, & I don't have a problem with that....... But Value shouldn't cost us 5-6 million a year.
I would have no problem with drafting Mario to play RDE and have Weaver at LDE, then move Peek in to RDE, Mario to LDE, and Weaver to DT on passing situations. I think that would be a great situation, but still I think Bush is the pick now, but in my mind if the worst thing we get our of the Bush/Mario decision is Reggie Bush, then I will still be thrilled for our team. I think Kubiak could do great things with Bush, I think as long as we improve our OLine a little more Bush could put up Clinton Portis type numbers and be more effective in the passing game too, so I have no problem whatsoever with drafting him, I just think Mario is the best guy for our team and is my personal favorite.

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Great stuff Mork. I posted this on another thread, but it piggybacks on your post at a high level to compliment your granular take on the situation at hand.

After coming out of the gates with emotion rather than rational thought to our current foray into Free Agency I thought it would be good to frame my thoughts under the current landscape rather than past actions of the franchise.

Firstly, the CBA has attached approximately 8 million more dollars to what the cap was projected to be. This gives teams more to spend and gives players and their agents more wiggle room to up requests on their services. There has not been an uptick, at least I have not seen it, the amount of players that they can have on their roster. This means that you have to or are able to pay more for players, that is the nature of the agreement that the owners and players agreed upon. In a nutshell the dollar value that we sign players today is more than what we perceived their value would have been last year.

Secondly, we do not know what Kubiak, Reeves and Cass think about the current talent level of each player under contract and how they fit into the new scheme. They are really the only ones that are privy to that at the moment.

Lastly, change is good given our history and we have seen plenty in the last couple of months and will continue to see more in the coming months. I liked it when we signed Kubiak and wanted to see him place his stamp on this team. He is doing that. It pains me the way it is going down, but I signed up for it and need to see how it shakes out as there has been no way to measure a result until our new Texans hit the field.

Maybe a homer rant, but I do not want to poo-poo on somehting that is immeasurable at the moment, since expectations were low for short term results even before free agency.
Good post

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[quote=MorKnolle]Agreed, Anthony Schlegel (Ohio St.), Leon Williams (Miami), or Roger McIntosh (Miami) would all be nice options at MLB in the later rounds. I'm not sure how far McIntosh will fall but the other two should be available with our pick in the 4th round.


Jonathan Scott is not that tempting at #33 to me. Daryn Colledge would fit our blocking scheme better than Scott or McNeill (Scott would fit better than McNeill, but he's not as good as McNeill or Colledge). I don't really like any of those three at #33, but I could see them taking Colledge there. If Scott falls to #65 I could definitely see us taking him there, assuming we don't get an OT at #33.
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if we could take Ko Simpson, or Bing at #33
and if Scott fell to #65 that would be awesome
we could get Abdul Hodge w/ #66 to compete at mlb

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Agreed, Anthony Schlegel (Ohio St.), Leon Williams (Miami), or Roger McIntosh (Miami) would all be nice options at MLB in the later rounds. I'm not sure how far McIntosh will fall but the other two should be available with our pick in the 4th round.


Jonathan Scott is not that tempting at #33 to me. Daryn Colledge would fit our blocking scheme better than Scott or McNeill (Scott would fit better than McNeill, but he's not as good as McNeill or Colledge). I don't really like any of those three at #33, but I could see them taking Colledge there. If Scott falls to #65 I could definitely see us taking him there, assuming we don't get an OT at #33.
if we could take Ko Simpson, or Bing at #33
and if Scott fell to #65 that would be awesome
we could get Abdul Hodge w/ #66 to compete at mlb

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I would still prefer Johnathan Joseph at #33 if he somehow falls, but Simpson and Bing would be ok options too, but I'm not sure either of them fall. Donte Whitner Daniel Bullocks are probably more likely to fall to #33, and either would be good but not as good of an option as Joseph. Eric Winston would still be my top choice if he somehow falls which I seriously doubt, and Nick Mangold would be my next choice. I think they will address one OL spot in the draft, maybe two, so Eric Winston at #33 to be our RT would be great, Mangold at #33 or Chris Chester at #97 would be nice and keep Wiegert at RT for next year. I think they'll definitely go after Chester after his Combine, so Winston or Colledge at #33 to play RT and then have Chester either back Wiegert up this season at RG to make sure he's ready or if he can beat out Wiegert then ol Wiegert might get released to save us $2.8 million against the cap and neutralize the Gary Walker cut.

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Mork i like the Chester scenario. I do think they will take a look at a Tackle in the later rounds either 3 or 5. Just my thought on it. Maybe Mcquistan or someone like that that is pretty much a RT. Chester I think is a definit target and will likely be targeted in the 3rd and if we think we can get away with it the top of the 4th. JJ is my pick for top of the second right now, that is mainly because I dont think Winston or Mangold make it out of the first. If either does though they are my pick and Hopefully JJ has a good career somewere else.
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What are the odds of us offering Peek, and our #33 to move up into the first, say mid-to-late teens?? Is it worth it??
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What are the odds of us offering Peek, and our #33 to move up into the first, say mid-to-late teens?? Is it worth it??

I don't know who would bite on that. Peek was a 3rd round pick and didn't start that many games. I don't know if anyone would want that trade.
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Mork i like the Chester scenario. I do think they will take a look at a Tackle in the later rounds either 3 or 5. Just my thought on it. Maybe Mcquistan or someone like that that is pretty much a RT. Chester I think is a definit target and will likely be targeted in the 3rd and if we think we can get away with it the top of the 4th. JJ is my pick for top of the second right now, that is mainly because I dont think Winston or Mangold make it out of the first. If either does though they are my pick and Hopefully JJ has a good career somewere else.
Please no on McQuistan, from what I've seen he does not look good for our system. My personal picks for our blocking system after studying up some on OLinemen:

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Eric Winston (worth #33, but I don't see any way he lasts).
Daryn Colledge (I don't especially like him at #33, but he's the best option that's likely to be there and he won't last until #65).
Winston Justice (worth #33, but I don't see any way he lasts either).
Jonathan Scott (not worth #33, if we don't go OL and he lasts until #65/66 I'd definitely look at him there).
Jason Spitz (not worth first day pick, if we don't go OL in the first day and he lasts until #97 I'd think about it depending on who else is available, but there are several people at numerous positions that I'd rather have than him).
(guys like Whitworth and Marcus McNeill don't really fit our system).

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Nick Mangold (worth #33, I doubt he lasts but maybe).
Chris Chester (maybe worth #65 to us, he could last until #97 but if we don't get an OLineman by #65/66 I'd probably go ahead and take him there to make sure we get him).
David Joseph (not worth #33, definitely worth #65 if he lasts, but I don't think he will last that far, and with Chris Chester as a distinct possibility later in the draft I think we'd pass up on Joseph for someone else and take Chester later).
Guy Whimper (maybe worth #65/66, but I probably wouldn't take him until #97 if he lasts and if we don't get an OLineman by then).
Will Montgomery (Not worth #65/66, maybe take him at #97 or later if we don't get an interior OLineman by then).
Chris Kuper (Not worth #65/66, maybe take him at #97 or later if we don't get an interior OLineman by then).
(guys like Jean-Gilles and Lutui don't fit our system).

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What are the odds of us offering Peek, and our #33 to move up into the first, say mid-to-late teens?? Is it worth it??
If they are going to get Mario at #1 to play DE, I could see them maybe trying to offer this, but I don't really know who'd take it and it sounds like the coaches are pretty high on Peek. I could see them offering Babin in a scenario like this, but I don't know who would take that.
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