Whats wrong with a high signing bonus? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

**gtexan02** · 03-12-2006

If we give someone a $25 million contract, whats the downside to making a large portion of that a signing bonus? $25 million over 5 years with a $0 signing bonus would mean that he counts $5 against the cap each year, right? So a $12 million signing bonus would basically reduce that cap hit to $3 million?

It seems to me that the only downside is that the signing bonus prevents us from cutting the player later on, but if you invest in a young player, why plan on cutting them in the future?

dat_boy_yec · 03-12-2006

I agree, McNair already said they would more than likely spend over the cap. So I think it is a good way to do it in order to maintain the cap situation. I don't care how much they spend as long as they stay under the cap and IMPROVE the team. The moves they made so far show me that they are trying to do that so they have my support. I think this is much better than waiting until the draft and hoping that we can solve all our problems then.

TexanBacker93 · 03-12-2006

Nice, rational thought to all the madness. If you expect the player to stay throughout the 5 years it shouldn't matter how big it is. I'd imagine the $25 million would be higher if the signing bonus were lower. At least that's what I would ask for as a player.

**gtexan02** · 03-13-2006

So why is everyone so bent out of shape? Lets assume that the Texans know what they're doing. They have targeted Weaver for a while now according to a variety of sources that have already been listed, meanwhile the Ravens have been trying to resign him (a great DL), and had to settle for Pryce as a replacement. IF you read between the lines, it means we got the best DE available, he's young, so we signed him to a 5 year contract we don't expect to break (hence the high guaranteed money). We wanted to be able to sign other players as well, so we upped his bonus and lowered his cap hit (I would much rather have the $3 mil cap hit than the $5 mil hit with a 0 bonus) I think this is a great way to sign a player personally, especially a young one (high bonus to Walker, Wiegert, etc is stupid, but thats another argument)

Texas · 03-13-2006

If you have ever played madden, you would notice the higher the signing bonus the cheaper the salary. It then lowers your cap. Check it out

03-13-2006

When you give a high bonus you are locked in. Anything can happen during that time and as a business you can't do anything about it. Let's say Weaver doesn't play very good the 1st year and we would like to cut him. Well, you can't because of the enormous hit you will take on the accelerated bonus.

03-13-2006

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Originally Posted by SESupergenius

When you give a high bonus you are locked in. Anything can happen during that time and as a business you can't do anything about it. Let's say Weaver doesn't play very good the 1st year and we would like to cut him. Well, you can't because of the enormous hit you will take on the accelerated bonus.

But isn't that the case with every player out there.Anything can happen.Thats why we play the game.Just think of it as a hand in poker,everytime you sign a player,as in drawing a card,you either hit the jackpot, break even or bust.

**edo783** · 03-13-2006

As a general rule, the best thing is low bonus and high salary. If you cut the guy any salry left goes away, but any bonus hits the cap right away so the smaller that is the better. The high salary hurts in each year the player plays, but then you are getting some value Vs. nothing for the bonus hit.

03-12-2006	#1
gtexan02 Working? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Age: 29 Posts: 15,334 Rep Power: 34917	Whats wrong with a high signing bonus? If we give someone a $25 million contract, whats the downside to making a large portion of that a signing bonus? $25 million over 5 years with a $0 signing bonus would mean that he counts $5 against the cap each year, right? So a $12 million signing bonus would basically reduce that cap hit to $3 million? It seems to me that the only downside is that the signing bonus prevents us from cutting the player later on, but if you invest in a young player, why plan on cutting them in the future? __________________ Adios until next season. See you then

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gtexan02 Working? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Age: 29 Posts: 15,334 Rep Power: 34917	So why is everyone so bent out of shape? Lets assume that the Texans know what they're doing. They have targeted Weaver for a while now according to a variety of sources that have already been listed, meanwhile the Ravens have been trying to resign him (a great DL), and had to settle for Pryce as a replacement. IF you read between the lines, it means we got the best DE available, he's young, so we signed him to a 5 year contract we don't expect to break (hence the high guaranteed money). We wanted to be able to sign other players as well, so we upped his bonus and lowered his cap hit (I would much rather have the $3 mil cap hit than the $5 mil hit with a 0 bonus) I think this is a great way to sign a player personally, especially a young one (high bonus to Walker, Wiegert, etc is stupid, but thats another argument) __________________ Adios until next season. See you then

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edo783 Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, again. Posts: 7,700 Rep Power: 4640	As a general rule, the best thing is low bonus and high salary. If you cut the guy any salry left goes away, but any bonus hits the cap right away so the smaller that is the better. The high salary hurts in each year the player plays, but then you are getting some value Vs. nothing for the bonus hit. __________________ De Oppresso Liber

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03-12-2006	#2
dat_boy_yec All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 31 Posts: 943 Rep Power: 10	I agree, McNair already said they would more than likely spend over the cap. So I think it is a good way to do it in order to maintain the cap situation. I don't care how much they spend as long as they stay under the cap and IMPROVE the team. The moves they made so far show me that they are trying to do that so they have my support. I think this is much better than waiting until the draft and hoping that we can solve all our problems then.

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TexanBacker93 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cypress, TX Age: 42 Posts: 1,618 Rep Power: 3447	Nice, rational thought to all the madness. If you expect the player to stay throughout the 5 years it shouldn't matter how big it is. I'd imagine the $25 million would be higher if the signing bonus were lower. At least that's what I would ask for as a player.

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Texas Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Clear Lake Age: 24 Posts: 1,030 Rep Power: 9	If you have ever played madden, you would notice the higher the signing bonus the cheaper the salary. It then lowers your cap. Check it out

03-13-2006	#6
SESupergenius Guest Posts: n/a	When you give a high bonus you are locked in. Anything can happen during that time and as a business you can't do anything about it. Let's say Weaver doesn't play very good the 1st year and we would like to cut him. Well, you can't because of the enormous hit you will take on the accelerated bonus.

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