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Old 03-10-2006   #1
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I haven't seen this really addressed so I would like to know what everybody thinks. Everybody expects us to take Bush (hopefully we will) if we don't trade down, but what if Kubiak believes Williams is the better pick for the team than Bush. In most other drafts Williams would be a front runner for the 1st pick and is only in his position because of this years depth. This doesn't negate the fact that he's a monster DE and could definetely impact the defense. What do you all think of this possibility and how do you think you would react if it did indeed happen.
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I haven't seen this really addressed so I would like to know what everybody thinks. Everybody expects us to take Bush (hopefully we will) if we don't trade down, but what if Kubiak believes Williams is the better pick for the team than Bush. In most other drafts Williams would be a front runner for the 1st pick and is only in his position because of this years depth. This doesn't negate the fact that he's a monster DE and could definetely impact the defense. What do you all think of this possibility and how do you think you would react if it did indeed happen.
I see us taking Mario or trading down or taking Bush and trading him with whoever takes Mario.

But to answer your question I want Mario by any means necessary.
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Very unlikely. The only way we take Mario Williams with the first pick is if:

(1) we have a very good free agency period addressing several needs; and

(2) absolutely no one wants to trade up into the top spot.

Lets face the Texans should be able to get something out of the Jets to move up to get Bush and/or Leinart. It may not be a lot, but if we want Mario and could add two/three picks this would be better than merely picking Williams in the top spot.
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Very unlikely. The only way we take Mario Williams with the first pick is if:

(1) we have a very good free agency period addressing several needs; and

(2) absolutely no one wants to trade up into the top spot.

Lets face the Texans should be able to get something out of the Jets to move up to get Bush and/or Leinart. It may not be a lot, but if we want Mario and could add two/three picks this would be better than merely picking Williams in the top spot.
Is that purely speculation?
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I think with Mario's workouts , you could consider him a good enough prospect to be picked 1st . He could provide the quickest results on the field .

What if Bush runs a 4.35 , does he drop as a prospect ?
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I think with Mario's workouts , you could consider him a good enough prospect to be picked 1st . He could provide the quickest results on the field .

What if Bush runs a 4.35 , does he drop as a prospect ?
I think that would definetely drop Bush's stock, his speed is one of the selling points. I don't think it would drop him out of the top 5, but it would give us and excuse not to get him. By the way does anyone know how Mario's workouts compare to Peppers.
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Tale of the tape. Fair and balanced you make the call

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Very unlikely. The only way we take Mario Williams with the first pick is if:

(1) we have a very good free agency period addressing several needs; and

(2) absolutely no one wants to trade up into the top spot.

Lets face the Texans should be able to get something out of the Jets to move up to get Bush and/or Leinart. It may not be a lot, but if we want Mario and could add two/three picks this would be better than merely picking Williams in the top spot.
1) That sounds like the requirements for Bush. DE is a need for us so if we didn't address that in FA there is a very good chance that that would indicate we are shooting for Williams.
2) That was kind of my implication, the way its shaping up I don't really see any teams at the top that are really desperate for a RB or the top spot.

Jets maybe but they probably have more holes than we do and they probably would be happy with whatever landed in their lap because more than likely it would be a need position for them. Also with Pennington re-signing there is less motivation for them to move up.
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In 2002 Peppers was 6'6 and 283 lbs . He ran a 4.68 forty and lifted 225 lbs 24 times .
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Tale of the tape. Fair and balanced you make the call

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=404619
That is simply amazing. Williams is faster and has more ups than Peppers who played power forward and he did this at a higher weight. This guy is a monster, the Texans have a difficult choice on their hands. Really I'm surprised this hasn't been talked about. I like Young but no way is he better for this team than Williams. The debate should be Williams/Bush not Bush/Young.
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It should be noted that the surface of this year's combine was faster than the previous years.
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I think William's is head and shoulders above any other DE . Bush is not the only RB and DBrick is not the only OT prospect but Mario's the only super DE prospect .
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Oh, good point. I didn't take that into account, but at 4.66 I still think it's impressive.
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Matt Steven's clocked in at 4.4 forty to test the course .
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I think William's is head and shoulders above any other DE . Bush is not the only RB and DBrick is not the only OT prospect but Mario's the only super DE prospect .
Hmm, I would hold off on that until after Bush's workouts, he may prove he is head and shoulders above his competition as well. Bush may be the only super RB prospect.
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I really like what I see out of Mario, and I am still not overly sold that we spend the #1 overall and 50M+ on a situational back/offensive specialist, especially when we already have DD here.

People have been bitching about us passing on Ju Pep for four years now ... well this might be the perfect chance to rectify that.

That said, I hate spending the number one overall on a DE. It just doesn't seem right, no matter how great the guy is, to spend the #1 on the DE position. Maybe I am too traditional, or maybe I am making a lot out of little.

Ideally, we can trade down to the 3-5 spot, but I just don't see how that will happen. We don't know who is desperate for who for quite awhile yet, so that may still work out.
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I think William's is head and shoulders above any other DE . Bush is not the only RB and DBrick is not the only OT prospect but Mario's the only super DE prospect .
I think all three players are head and shoulders above the other players at their position. QB and WR are really the only positions where there is some debate.

Bush is clearly the best RB, Ferguson is clearly the best OT, Williams is clearly the best DE, Davis is clearly the best TE, Jean Gilles is clearly the best OG, and Hawk is clearly the best LB.

This is a very deep draft and there are a lot of quality players at almost all positions 3 or 4 players down the rankings. Tamba Hali and Mathias Kiwanuka are very good prospects as well.
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I think with Mario's workouts , you could consider him a good enough prospect to be picked 1st . He could provide the quickest results on the field .

What if Bush runs a 4.35 , does he drop as a prospect ?
I dont think that Kubiak would take anyone at #1 besides Bush, even as much as we all would love for him to. I think we would have to trade down to even think about gettin Williams or my favorite Brick.

And to answer your question, I dont think that Bush's stock drops unless he injures himself at his pro-day. If he runs a 4.35 that will be faster than any other back, still. And anyway, Bush doesnt have to run a 4.2, just pop in his tape and you can see that he can run away from anybody on the field. His speed will not be questioned his inside running may.
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If Bush runs a 4.28 forty but weighs in at 190 is he a better prospect than Williams . I see Williams as the player with the least question marks .
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If Bush runs a 4.28 forty but weighs in at 190 is he a better prospect than Williams . I see Williams as the player with the least question marks .
I think Bush will weigh in at around 205 and run low 4.3 or high 4.2s, but I see Feguson as the player with the least question marks. For some reason I see OTs as more of you know what you are getting players, but thats just me.
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