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Old 03-06-2006   #1
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Default Can we agree to take one of these?

I am a supporter of trading down to obtain more picks. However, I am not willing to trade down so far as to not pick one of these players.

In order of avaliblity:

Bush RB
D'Brickshaw LT
Williams DE
V. Davis TE

I'm not willing to risk that any of these players are still on the board at #7

If we can't get one of these in a trade down stay where we are and take Bush.

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Sure thing, although I'd have it as:

Bush
V. Davis
Williams
D'Brickshaw
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Sure thing, although I'd have it as:

Bush
V. Davis
Williams
D'Brickshaw
Fair enough
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Who is Vernon Davis?
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The best TE in the draft.
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I never heard of him. What school does he come from? Can he block and catch? Do yall have him rated better than Pope.
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He is from Maryland.

He ran a 4.38 40 at the Combine and set almost all of the lifting records at Maryland. He can both block and catch.
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From Sunday Chron.:

V. Davis TE Maryland

" No prospect put on a better show at the combine than Davis, who was ranked 1st at TE, a position that has more talent and depth than any time in the past decade.
Davis ran a 4.38 40 but also had a 42- inch verticle leap and a standing broad jump of10' 8".
How impressive was the broad jump? The 2nd and 3rd ranked TE's were tied at9' 10" (Pope and Lewis)"

Faster than all LB's most S and alot of CB. Great hands, can jump and BLOCK.

WR in TE body.

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My list

M. Williams DE
R. Bush RB/O-specialist
V. Davis TE
M. Huff CB/FS

These guys are pretty much my short list, and yeah I left Ferguson off of it, bottomline he is good, but Winston is just as good, but unfortunately they both will be gone in the top 20 so a second or third round T will suit me just fine as long as we can land a Mangold or Jonathan Joseph in the second to team with Mario Williams in the first.
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V. Davis TE Maryland

" No propespest put on a better show at the combine than Davis, who was ranked 1st at TE, a position that has more talent and depth than any time in the past decade.
Davis ran a 4.38 40 but also had a 42- inch verticle leap and a standing broad jump of10' 8".
How impressive was the broad jump? The 2nd and 3rd ranked TE's were tied at9' 10" (Pope and Lewis)"

Faster than all LB's most S and alot of CB. Great hands, can jump and BLOCK.

WR in TE body.
So your convincing me. Do you have more about game stats or anything?
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Id list them in order of need as:

Mario
D'Brick/Davis
Bush

want:

Bush/Williams
D'Brick
Davis
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i like seeing my boy super mario up on top. he's been doing amazing at the comine and we'd have to be no farther down than 5th pick overall to land him. i think any of these guys yall have mentioned would help us out no doubt. we have so many holes to fill that almost any one of these guys would fill a crucial gap. Dare i say, it may be hard for Charlie to screw up this year.
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Who is Vernon Davis?
He's going to be one of the best tight ends, ever. He broke every record (strength wise) at Maryland.

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ive heard that his blocking skills are suspect. But he has the strength to be at least an "adequate" blocker... maybe he just needs the coaching.

To guarantee that we get one of those guys.. I wouldnt trade down any further than #5.

Outside of those 4 players..the only other guy who WILL go in the top 5 is Matt Lienart.

now.. Vince Young, Jay Cutler, and A.J. Hawk are all possibilities to go in the top 5-7.. so we could take a chance and trade down to #7-#8 and have a chance at those 4.. but I wouldnt put money on it.

The most likely player available to us at #7 would be Vernon Davis. Williams, Bush, and Ferguson will most like be gone in the top 5.
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I've also heard is blocking skills are a bit SUSPECT but that can be coached.

He's a gamer. I saw a couple games from him. They couldn't cover the kid when they put all their effort into it.

The crazy thing is he never seems like he's moving that fast.

Wow, I didn't think anyone had NOT heard of this kid. They been talking about him since LAST year.
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ive heard that his blocking skills are suspect. But he has the strength to be at least an "adequate" blocker... maybe he just needs the coaching.
You are correct. I know im going to catch hell for this bc it isnt common knowledge, but the best run blocking is probably going to end up being Marcedes Lewis. Pope has the most size, Davis is the strongest, but Lewis is better at run blocking. The way I see it, Lewis is probably going to turn out to be the best traditional TE, Pope will be the most balanced, with Vernon Davis fitting the new athletic mold. He'll see more time in the slot than he will on the end of the O Line. He'll also put up the best stats because of it. As long as you use him right and dont expect much balance and incredible blocking, then you get what you see. But just incase anyone doubts my credibility or that I somewhat know what Im talking about, here are some draft sites that agree with me (and I created the TE profiles for the 3rd site).

http://www.nfldraftforecast.com/Prof...nondavis.shtml
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sco...rnondavis.html
http://www.nflfans.com/x/2006/showpl...ernon%20Davis*
http://www.qisports.com/vernondavis2006.html
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/Profile...visprofile.htm
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I never heard of him. What school does he come from? Can he block and catch? Do yall have him rated better than Pope.
this guy is sick. go to the earlier prospect videos thread and there's a small taste
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You are correct. I know im going to catch hell for this bc it isnt common knowledge, but the best run blocking is probably going to end up being Marcedes Lewis. Pope has the most size, Davis is the strongest, but Lewis is better at run blocking. The way I see it, Lewis is probably going to turn out to be the best traditional TE, Pope will be the most balanced, with Vernon Davis fitting the new athletic mold. He'll see more time in the slot than he will on the end of the O Line. He'll also put up the best stats because of it. As long as you use him right and dont expect much balance and incredible blocking, then you get what you see. But just incase anyone doubts my credibility or that I somewhat know what Im talking about, here are some draft sites that agree with me (and I created the TE profiles for the 3rd site).

http://www.nfldraftforecast.com/Prof...nondavis.shtml
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sco...rnondavis.html
http://www.nflfans.com/x/2006/showpl...ernon%20Davis*
http://www.qisports.com/vernondavis2006.html
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/Profile...visprofile.htm
Out of the top 3 TE you listed, which would fit the offense that Kubes will employ?

How about the kid from ND Fassanio?
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V. Davis TE Maryland

" No propespest put on a better show at the combine than Davis, who was ranked 1st at TE, a position that has more talent and depth than any time in the past decade.
Davis ran a 4.38 40 but also had a 42- inch verticle leap and a standing broad jump of10' 8".
How impressive was the broad jump? The 2nd and 3rd ranked TE's were tied at9' 10" (Pope and Lewis)"

Faster than all LB's most S and alot of CB. Great hands, can jump and BLOCK.

WR in TE body.
I believe he benched 225 pound 32 times.
He is 6'3 263 a little small but makes up for it with strength and speed.
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You are correct. I know im going to catch hell for this bc it isnt common knowledge, but the best run blocking is probably going to end up being Marcedes Lewis. Pope has the most size, Davis is the strongest, but Lewis is better at run blocking. The way I see it, Lewis is probably going to turn out to be the best traditional TE, Pope will be the most balanced, with Vernon Davis fitting the new athletic mold. He'll see more time in the slot than he will on the end of the O Line. He'll also put up the best stats because of it. As long as you use him right and dont expect much balance and incredible blocking, then you get what you see.
I agree. We need a conventional TE, that can both block AND catch. Lewis is the best overall TE available. Lewis will be a stud very soon, but Lewis is quite athletic also and can stretch the seam vertically.

My comparisons:

V. Davis - Gates/Shockey/TE from NE
Lewis - T. Gonzales
Pope - T. Heap/Bubba Franks
D. Thomas - Dallas Clark
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