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Old 03-06-2006   #1
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Just wondering. I know some of you will think I'm taking a shot at somebody, or that I'm pimping someone else, but it's not like that. This has nothing to do with the Texans(hence we ain't in the Bull Pen) and nothing to do with the draft(hence we ain't in the draft section).

But I got to thinking.......... we are running out of Elite QBs.... Here's My list

W-L doesn't matter.....

Peyton Manning will always be elite to me.
Leftwhich, I love the guy.
Culpepper.... he's a freak
McNabb..... he's got the arm, he makes good decisions...... mostly.. I just don't think He or Culpepper have the leadership skills.
Tom Brady...... he's got too many rings not to count him.
Rothlisberger.... Yep, I think he's elite.

and that's it..... Up and Comers..
Chris Simms..... he didn't look that good @ Texas.
Hasselback...... he needs to put up at least one more good year for me to call him elite.
Carson Palmer......... Like Hassleback...... I need to make sure he isn't a one year wonder.

In your Opinion, who do you consider to be Elite, at the end of the 2005 season??
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Brees should be on the list somewhere.

I don't agree with Culpepper being elite. When he lost Moss, his game slide. Culpepper need to have another good year without Moss before he can be elite.
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In your Opinion, who do you consider to be Elite, at the end of the 2005 season??
Why is that so hard to do?? Am I speaking Greek?? That's my list, it ain't changing.

You don't agree with it, post yours.
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Elite: Manning
Brady
McNabb
Palmer

Everybody else is just sort of jumbled together to me.
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Manning
Culpepper
Brady
McNabb
Roethlisberger
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I'm torn on Big Ben. On the one hand he's done fantastic for a young QB and you have to hand that to him.

On the other hand he can play so poorly that he flat out stinks and his team still wins.

I'm just not sure about him being elite. But I get where people would think that.
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I think the only two truly elite QBs in the NFL right now are Brady and Manning.

Who else?

McNabb? Maybe, but I still think he was all messed up at the end of the Super Bowl.

Culpepper? Not after last year.

Palmer, Roethlisberger? Not yet.
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Troy Brady?

Still looking for the stats....maybe a composite....Troy Aikman+Tom Brady?

Johnny Unitas
Bart Starr
Ken Stabler
Joe Namath
Dan Marino
George Blanda..and he could kick field goals or opposing players in the *** I've seen him do both...

That's my list and Im sticking to it.



Edit: Forgive me all Irish fans...I left Joe Montana off my list. Blasphemy, Joe definitely belongs on the list
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Why is that so hard to do?? Am I speaking Greek?? That's my list, it ain't changing.

You don't agree with it, post yours.
Well now, arenít you snotty!

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Why is that so hard to do?? Am I speaking Greek?? That's my list, it ain't changing.

You don't agree with it, post yours.
You don't have to act like a jerk. Learn to use some tact, man.
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I used to think an elite QB was all about the stats.. I now think elite QBs are guys who can get the job done.. he can manage a game and makes good decisions.

Tom Brady- obviously
Peyton- the man knows what he's doing
Carson Palmer- this season got it done, he's only gonna get better
Brett Favre- tough, had a really bad supporting cast
Roethlisberger- He just manages the game and has a great supporting cast

these guys are elite because they can manage the game, make quick precise decisions, know how to win and can get the team in position to win every week.
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Elite:

P Manning (still a playoff choker, but a consummate gamer.)

D McNabb (still not completely sold on the guy, but he has established a pretty consistent winning tradition until this year.)

T Brady (all world supporting cast/coaches, but the guy delivers time and time again)

Up and Comers:

B Roethlisberger (has played some really good games and some really bad games, and he still has one hell of a team around him.)

D Brees (shows up big but still disappears at times)

B Leftwich (has always looked "slow" to me, but he gets the job done when he's in the game)

D Carr (I said it! And no, I don't think he has demonstrated it yet, but I think he can and I am even going to say will be elite some day. Call me blind, homer, whatever, but I said it.)

C Palmer (w/o a doubt, I think he is going to be a bigtime gamer soon)

My initial thoughts. I might add more later as it occurs to me.
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.. Here's My list

W-L doesn't matter.....

Peyton Manning will always be elite to me.
Leftwhich, I love the guy.
Culpepper.... he's a freak
McNabb..... he's got the arm, he makes good decisions...... mostly.. I just don't think He or Culpepper have the leadership skills.
Tom Brady...... he's got too many rings not to count him.
Rothlisberger.... Yep, I think he's elite.

and that's it..... Up and Comers..
Chris Simms..... he didn't look that good @ Texas.
Hasselback...... he needs to put up at least one more good year for me to call him elite.
Carson Palmer......... Like Hassleback...... I need to make sure he isn't a one year wonder.
Agree with most of your list. But not with two of them.

First One- Leftwhich, In my opinion he is a long way from elite status. He may not even be the best QB on his team. Bryan may be even less mobile than Manning, and as fragile as fine china. Garrard seems to be a more rounded QB, and if I remember right lead the team to several victories at the end of the season when Leftwhich was out.

Second One- Simms hasn't played enough to even be considered an up and comer. Needs at least one more season of starts like how he ended the season, and maybe he could be added to the list.
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I used to think an elite QB was all about the stats.. I now think elite QBs are guys who can get the job done.. he can manage a game and makes good decisions.
For me, an Elite QB brings his A game week in, and week out, for several seasons. They don't have to be in a row, but someone like Brees needs to show he can do it again. and again. Not just because his job is on the line.

I put Ben up there, because he plays at a pretty high level, he makes mistakes, but he's more good, than not, and that ring makes up for the years of experience.

I personally don't like Tom Brady(I don't know why I always want to call him Troy) but I have no good reason for that........ heck I don't even have a bad reason....
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Tom Brady is elite, to me, because he rarely makes mistakes and is just money when it's on the line. Not flashy, not loud, not fun to watch like Favre is.

I'd put Steve McNair in this same group a few years ago until injuries got the best of him.
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Brady
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P. Manning
Year after year after year getting it done!!!
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Here's the problem I have with your list...

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But I got to thinking.......... we are running out of Elite QBs.... Here's My list

W-L doesn't matter.....

Peyton Manning will always be elite to me.
Leftwhich, I love the guy.
Culpepper.... he's a freak
McNabb..... he's got the arm, he makes good decisions...... mostly.. I just don't think He or Culpepper have the leadership skills.
Tom Brady...... he's got too many rings not to count him.
Rothlisberger.... Yep, I think he's elite.

and that's it..... Up and Comers..
Chris Simms..... he didn't look that good @ Texas.
Hasselback...... he needs to put up at least one more good year for me to call him elite.
Carson Palmer......... Like Hassleback...... I need to make sure he isn't a one year wonder.
Roethlisberger makes it. Hasselbeck and Palmer are on the edge because they need to prove they're not a one year wonder.

Roethlisberger has been in the league for a whopping two years. Are you saying both years were great enough seasons to warrant him being elite?

My list is short:

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Carson Palmer

That's it.
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Very surprised many are leaving off Culpepper and McNabb, but have Palmer installed.
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