Scoutsnotebook.com Mock 03/03/06

[Matt_Alkire]

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Round 1

1. Houston- Reggie Bush, RB USC
2. New Orleans- Matt Leinart, QB USC
3. Tennessee- Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
4. NY Jets- D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT Virginia
5. Green Bay- Mario Williams, DE NC State
6. San Francisco- AJ Hawk, LB Ohio State
7. Oakland- Vince Young, QB Texas
8. Buffalo- Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon
9. Detroit- Michael Huff, DB Texas
10. Arizona- Vernon Davis, TE Maryland
11. St.Louis- Tye Hill, CB Clemson
12. Cleveland- Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
13. Baltimore- Ernie Sims, OLB Florida State
14. Philadelphia- Brodrick Bunkley, DT Florida State
15. Atlanta- Jimmy Williams, CB VaTech
16. Miami- Winston Justice, LT USC
17. Minnesota- DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
18. Dallas- Bobby Carpenter, OLB Ohio State
19. San Diego- Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio State
20. Kansas City- Chad Jackson, WR Florida
21. New England- D'Qwell Jackson, ILB Maryland
22. Denver(f/Was)- Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
23. Tampa Bay- Marcus McNeill, OT Auburn
24. Cincinnati- Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
25. NY Giants- Jason Allen, CB Tennessee
26. Chicago- Cedric Griffin, CB Texas
27. Carolina- Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota
28. Jacksonville- Nick Mangold, C Ohio State
29. Denver- Claude Wroten, DT LSU
30. Indianapolis- LenDale White, RB USC
31. Seattle- Kelly Jennings, CB Miami
32. Pittsburgh- Manny Lawson, OLB NC State

Round 2

33. Houston- Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
34. New Orleans- DeMeco Ryans, OLB Alabama
35. NY Jets- Kamerion Wimbley, DE Florida State
36. Green Bay- Thomas Howard, OLB UTEP
37. Oakland- Darnell Bing, SS USC
38. San Francisco- Ashton Youboty, CB Ohio State
39. Tennessee- Eric Winston, OT Miami
40. Detroit- Darryl Tapp, DE VaTech
41. Arizona- Jonathan McCargo, DT NC State
42. Buffalo- Donte Whitner, S Ohio State
43. Cleveland- Maurice Stovall, WR Notre Dame
44. Baltimore- Daniel Bullocks, S Nebraska
45. Philadelphia- Demetrius Williams, WR Oregon
46. St.Louis- Anthony Fasano, TE Notre Dame
47. Atlanta- Ko Simpson, FS South Carolina
48. Minnesota- Charles Spencer, OG Pittsburgh
49. Dallas- Anthony Smith, FS Syracuse
50. San Diego- Jonathan Scott, OT Texas
51. Miami- Alan Zemaitis, CB Penn State
52. New England- Brian Calhoun, RB Wisconsin
53. Washington- Max Jean-Gilles, OG Georgia
54. Kansas City- Charlie Whitehurst, QB Clemson
55. Cincinnati- Greg Blue, SS Georgia
56. NY Giants- Daryn Colledge, OT Boise State
57. Chicago- Sinorice Moss, WR Miami
58. Carolina- Leonard Pope, TE Georgia
59. Tampa Bay- Rocky McIntosh, OLB Miami
60. Jacksonville- Jonathan Joseph, CB South Carolina
61. Denver- Derek Hagan, WR Arizona State
62. Indianapolis- Davin Joseph, OG Oklahoma
63. Seattle- Joseph Addai, RB LSU
64. Pittsburgh- Brandon Marshall, WR UCF

Round 3

65. Houston- Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida State
66. Houston(f/NO)- Andrew Whitworth, OT LSU
67. Green Bay- Rob Sims, OG Ohio State
68. San Francisco- Dominique Byrd, TE USC
69. Oakland- Gabe Watson, DT Michigan
70. Buffalo(f/Ten)- Jonathan Lewis, DT VaTech
71. NY Jets- Kevin Boothe, OL Cornell
72. Arizona- Charles Gordon, CB Kansas
73. Buffalo- Travis Wilson, WR Oklahoma
74. Detroit- Abdul Hodge, MLB Iowa
75. New England(f/Bal)- Richard Marshall, CB Fresno State
76. Philadelphia- Parys Haralson, DE Tennessee
77. St.Louis- Mark Anderson, DE Alabama
78. Cleveland- Kai Parham, ILB Virginia
79. Atlanta- Stanley McClover, DE Auburn
80. Dallas- Taitusi Lutui, OG USC
81. San Diego- DeMario Minter, CB Georgia
82. Miami- Babatunde Oshinowo, DT Stanford
83. Minnesota- Ryan O'Callaghan, OT California
84. Washington- Greg Jennings, WR Western Michigan
85. Kansas City- Mark Setterstrom, OG Minnesota
86. New England- Will Blackmon, WR Boston College
87. NY Giants- Jesse Mahelona, DT Tennessee
88. Chicago- Joel Klopftenstein, TE Colorado
89. Carolina- Mike Hass, WR Oregon State
90. Tampa Bay- Orien Harris, DT Miami
91. Cincinnati- Elvis Dumervil, DE Louisville
92. Jacksonville- David Pittman, CB Northwestern State
93. Denver- Pat Watkins, FS Florida State
94. Indianapolis- Devin Hester, ATH Miami
95. Seattle- Will Montgomery, OG VaTech
96. Pittsburgh- Jahmile Addae, FS WVU

[D-ReK]

I really doubt Hali and Cromartie are available where you have them slated, but I'll take them...I'm not a fan of the Whitworth pick, as I don't believe he'll fit a zone scheme, but other than that, good picks...

[Matt_Alkire]

Originally Posted by D-ReK

I really doubt Hali and Cromartie are available where you have them slated, but I'll take them...I'm not a fan of the Whitworth pick, as I don't believe he'll fit a zone scheme, but other than that, good picks...

Cromartie has barely played a season of football since he was in High School. Could he be a 2nd round pick? Sure. Will he be? Certainly not definite.

Between myself and the Penn State fan I run our site with we both agreed Tamba is a late 1st/early 2nd round prospect. Strong at the POA, plays under control and has a variety of ways to get to the QB, but lacks ideal speed or athleticism. Watch him and you can easily see his lack of COD ability. Nearly needs to come to complete stops when changing direction. This is from watching at least 20 games of Hali on my own over the years. We'll see his times at his ProDay coming up soon. If they're what I expect them to be, it's likely he could be around for the Texans.

Whitworth looked very good this season, then terrible at the Shrine Game and then great at the combine. Very confusing. If you can find me a Tackle you think would be better for Kubiak's system in the 3rd round I'll give you two cookies. While I agree he isn't ideal, not alot of guys in that range. He ran well and showed good mobility in position drills in Indy.

[D-ReK]

Originally Posted by Matt_Alkire

Cromartie has barely played a season of football since he was in High School. Could he be a 2nd round pick? Sure. Will he be? Certainly not definite.

Between myself and the Penn State fan I run our site with we both agreed Tamba is a late 1st/early 2nd round prospect. Strong at the POA, plays under control and has a variety of ways to get to the QB, but lacks ideal speed or athleticism. Watch him and you can easily see his lack of COD ability. Nearly needs to come to complete stops when changing direction. This is from watching at least 20 games of Hali on my own over the years. We'll see his times at his ProDay coming up soon. If they're what I expect them to be, it's likely he could be around for the Texans.

Whitworth looked very good this season, then terrible at the Shrine Game and then great at the combine. Very confusing. If you can find me a Tackle you think would be better for Kubiak's system in the 3rd round I'll give you two cookies. While I agree he isn't ideal, not alot of guys in that range. He ran well and showed good mobility in position drills in Indy.

It is true that Cromartie doesn't have a lot of starting experience and is coming off of a major injury, but he has an amazing size/speed ratio (6-2, 4.41), and he's very good in coverage...It's hard for me to believe that a guy like Stanford Routt is worth an early 2nd, but Cromartie isn't...

As for Hali, I honestly doubt he'll be a 12 sack per year guy, but he is the best LE in the draft (depending on your views owhere Super Mario will play in the NFL)...I could see a team like Denver, Philly, Atlanta, or KC investing a first in Hali...If he's there at 33, I'm all for taking him, providing there isn't a superior OL on the board there...

Whitworth is probably the best fit for a zone scheme out of the OTs you have going in the 3rd, but that doesn't mean he's a good fit...It simply means that he is better than the alternative...If we were going to go OL here, I'd throw a vote in for Setterstrom then hope for Eslinger in the 4th...Our interior OL is of more concern to me than our tackles are...

[Maddict5]

i like a good few of the picks but theres a few other that dont make much sense to me- philly taking another DT- i think they'll go WR in the first
KC will def. go CB especially after yesterday
Why is cedric griffin rated so high and isee the bears taking lewis or pope(and cromartie is a sure-fire first rounder to me- ran a 4.39 at the combine 6'2, showed he was nearly over his injury, showed he was able to cover well before his injury)

[nunusguy]

I dunno.......but I'm thinking this was like the most accurate mock of them
all last year in being the predictor of the first round picks on Draft Day ? So
if they say the Penn State DE is still on the Board in the second round, I'm
hopeful that's the reality in this Aprils Draft. Of course, maybe they know something about his downside that the rest of us don't ?

[thunderkyss]

I wonder.......... it's not only this mock, but mock's from all the most watched mocks, the more credible mocks have us taking a RB in the first round.... then in the second something like this mock(a DE) and not addressing the OLine till the third or later rounds........

Is this "We need to address this OLine" thing a figment of our imagination?? Is it just something we "talk" about on message boards or what??

[YoungTexanFan]

I'm very interested in how you have Ko Simpson falling that far and us not taking him. I was just wondering out of curiosity. Do you believe other DB's passed him up or team needs have changed? Thats quite a drop actually for him, but I wouldn't complain if he fell to #33. I just want to know your reasoning please.

[Matt_Alkire]

Originally Posted by Maddict5

i like a good few of the picks but theres a few other that dont make much sense to me- philly taking another DT- i think they'll go WR in the first
KC will def. go CB especially after yesterday
Why is cedric griffin rated so high and isee the bears taking lewis or pope(and cromartie is a sure-fire first rounder to me- ran a 4.39 at the combine 6'2, showed he was nearly over his injury, showed he was able to cover well before his injury)

Ah yes, Philadelphia taking another DT. Thank you for bringing my team up so I can have some fun...

Hollis Thomas is a goner in Philadelphia. First, he hasn't had a sack since 2000. That's a bad sign in a 1gap scheme. Two, I happen to know his family personally. He's wanted out for some time now.

Paul Grasmanis will very likely be cut as well.

That leaves Mike Patterson, Darwin Walker who has underacheived for years since signing an extension and a rotational backup in Sam Rayburn.

Philly will certainly look DT very, very early. You have to understand Andy Reid and Tom Heckert's draft philosophy. Core positions. QB, DL, OL, DB. They value those guys over any other at all costs.

I'd say it's more then likely they'll go DL in the 1st round.

They could go after Santonio Holmes to play X receiver, but from all I've heard from our sources they'll look to address the position in free agency.

[Matt_Alkire]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I wonder.......... it's not only this mock, but mock's from all the most watched mocks, the more credible mocks have us taking a RB in the first round.... then in the second something like this mock(a DE) and not addressing the OLine till the third or later rounds........

Is this "We need to address this OLine" thing a figment of our imagination?? Is it just something we "talk" about on message boards or what??

A little bit of both probably. My top picks for you guys at that spot were Eric Winston, Ko Simpson, Darryl Tapp and Tamba Hali.

We went BPA and gave Houston Hali. I could see an OT as well obviously, but I wouldn't take a lesser rated player just because my team needed it.

I wouldn't pass on Reggie Bush, BUT if Houston could trade down and still land Ferguson it would obviously be a great selection.

I have D'Brickashaw as my 2nd rated player in the draft actually.

[Matt_Alkire]

Originally Posted by YoungTexanFan

I'm very interested in how you have Ko Simpson falling that far and us not taking him. I was just wondering out of curiosity. Do you believe other DB's passed him up or team needs have changed? Thats quite a drop actually for him, but I wouldn't complain if he fell to #33. I just want to know your reasoning please.

I go back and forth on Ko Simpson. Personally, I wouldn't take him over guys like Donte Whitner and Daniel Bullocks, however as I see Bullocks as a SS in most schemes he wouldn't fit into the equation here.

One thing to keep in mind is that Safety is NOT the most sought after position in the draft. Guys like Gibril Wilson, Adrian Wilson and Madieu Williams are some of the best young Safeties in the NFL and were not 1st round picks.

Brian Dawkins is the best FS in the NFL in my opinion and was a very late 2nd rounder. Rodney Harrison was a 5th rounder.

I could see Ko going higher, but that's where we have him as of now. Again, we focus on drafting BPA rather then by need.

[Matt_Alkire]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

I dunno.......but I'm thinking this was like the most accurate mock of them
all last year in being the predictor of the first round picks on Draft Day ? So
if they say the Penn State DE is still on the Board in the second round, I'm
hopeful that's the reality in this Aprils Draft. Of course, maybe they know something about his downside that the rest of us don't ?

Thanks for the kind words.

I love Tamba Hali. Great kid. Tough kid. Great motor. Hell of a football player. The concern with Tamba comes back to his athleticism as I mentioned. He's a guy we spent alot of extra time watching for an Eagle's target in the 1st round and came away with concerns on his COD, speed and burst.

Think he'll be a productive player, but there are concerns.

As we get closer to the draft I'll have a better idea.

As always, I'll obviously post our final mock right before the draft. We're usually pretty accurate.

[Errant Hothy]

I'm good with Reggie in the first, and am all over Cromatrie in the third. Its the 2nd round and second third I have issues with.

For the 2nd rounder I'd take teh following before Hali:
DeMeco Ryans, OLB Alabama
Kamerion Wimbley, DE Florida State
Thomas Howard, OLB UTEP
Darnell Bing, SS USC
Ashton Youboty, CB Ohio State
Eric Winston, OT Miami
Darryl Tapp, DE VaTech
Donte Whitner, S Ohio State
Maurice Stovall, WR Notre Dame
Daniel Bullocks, S Nebraska
Ko Simpson, FS South Carolina
Charles Spencer, OG Pittsburgh
Jonathan Scott, OT Texas
Alan Zemaitis, CB Penn State
Daryn Colledge, OT Boise State
Sinorice Moss, WR Miami
Leonard Pope, TE Georgia
Rocky McIntosh, OLB Miami
Jonathan Joseph, CB South Carolina
Derek Hagan, WR Arizona State
Davin Joseph, OG Oklahoma

As for the second third:

Dominique Byrd, TE USC
Gabe Watson, DT Michigan - would be a steal here
Abdul Hodge, MLB Iowa
Richard Marshall, CB Fresno State
Parys Haralson, DE Tennessee
Mark Anderson, DE Alabama
Kai Parham, ILB Virginia
Stanley McClover, DE Auburn
Taitusi Lutui, OG USC
DeMario Minter, CB Georgia
Ryan O'Callaghan, OT California
Mark Setterstrom, OG Minnesota
Joel Klopftenstein, TE Colorado
Elvis Dumervil, DE Louisville
David Pittman, CB Northwestern State
Pat Watkins, FS Florida State
Devin Hester, ATH Miami
Jahmile Addae, FS WVU

Lots of good value in the third round of this mock, so much that if it really breaks this way I'd like to see the Texans trade up for another pick in the third.

[wags]

Greg Blue in the second, and ahead of Leonard Pope. Wow. I guess the Cincinatti GM is trying to get fired.

[Vinny]

I like the picks. I'm still hoping we take Young and take this franchise in another direction offensively, but sans that I'd take this draft right now. Hali has a bit of a William Fuller feel to him. Not ideal sized, but a high motor, uses leverage well plays with great urgency, and explodes to the QB in space. He would instantly be our best pass rusher. The 3rd round is too good to be true.

[Matt_Alkire]

Originally Posted by wags

Greg Blue in the second, and ahead of Leonard Pope. Wow. I guess the Cincinatti GM is trying to get fired.

So, you're under the thought process that the Bengals should pass up a SS to draft two TEs in a row with Marcedes Lewis and Leonard Pope?

[Bubbajwp]

Originally Posted by Matt_Alkire

So, you're under the thought process that the Bengals should pass up a SS to draft two TEs in a row with Marcedes Lewis and Leonard Pope?

ouch.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Matt_Alkire

Whitworth looked very good this season, then terrible at the Shrine Game and then great at the combine. Very confusing. If you can find me a Tackle you think would be better for Kubiak's system in the 3rd round I'll give you two cookies. While I agree he isn't ideal, not alot of guys in that range. He ran well and showed good mobility in position drills in Indy.

Like your Mock draft, well thought out @ addressing team needs.

concerning Whitworth its a good selection, one I'm not going to agrue with. I will however add (since I've made my HoustonTexans Mock draft selection) Kevin Boothe to the discussion. I'm really impressed with his upside & intelligence and Boothe is ready to start @ LG now and in the future could be a starting RT for a good run zone blocking scheme. Its so hard to gauge how high his ceiling will be given the level of competition he faced but an intriquing prospect none the less.

[big homey]

I've never heard anything about Jonathan McCargo, yet you have him in the second round. Did he really just escape everyone's sight?

[travfrancis]

really good mock

i don't like the whitworth pick though, i don't think he fits the zone blocking scheme very well, eslinger would be a better pick there in my opinion.