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Old 03-02-2006   #1
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Here's what I worry about: we need players, position players, and I don't want to wait a year while Kubiak tries to coach up the guys we have. We have always been slow boys in the FA market. What I wonder is if we're going to fire off and get two or three key players in FA, or are we going to be the usual weak sister and come in late and low and pick up a couple of reaches, might be's, once were's, and so on? Denver apparently thought enough of Abraham to grab him (if the rumors are true) but we weren't going to touch him? Isn't that kind of typical of us in the Capers/Casserly era?

Does it have to happen again?
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The reason we can't get the top guys is simply the fact that they don't want to come here. They want to win, so for use to sign them we need to throw excessive amounts of money at them. We even had to do that for players like Wade and Greenwood (throwing big money at average players in that case). We will likely only be able to get maybe on "key" player and maybe another starter in addition to several reserves/part-time players.
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I dont think this is the season for the Texans to make a big splash in the FA market . The main reason being there are some many holes to fill on the roster that its going to take more than one off-season to fill them . That being said , I'd wait until the team is a player or two away then go after some big time FA names .... Until such time its better to develop some players in-house. This may take 2-3 more seasons but in the end it will make for more long term success .... its more cap friendly.
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Here's what I worry about: we need players, position players, and I don't want to wait a year while Kubiak tries to coach up the guys we have. We have always been slow boys in the FA market. What I wonder is if we're going to fire off and get two or three key players in FA, or are we going to be the usual weak sister and come in late and low and pick up a couple of reaches, might be's, once were's, and so on? Denver apparently thought enough of Abraham to grab him (if the rumors are true) but we weren't going to touch him? Isn't that kind of typical of us in the Capers/Casserly era?

Does it have to happen again?
I don't think we have to get one of the top players in FA, but I would like some good, quality players. I would love to have David Givens as a 2nd WR next to Andre Johnson. An offensive lineman would be nice. Ty Law or Lawyer Milloy would look nice in blue and red also, but I think their asking price might be to high.
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We already signed our first big $ FA....David Carr.
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its hard to get excited for that news.


especially, when there were cheaper and better options at QB in the FA market.


If you think I'm wrong, quote me on it.....even 5 years from now Drew Brees will be a better QB than David Carr.


Don't get me wrong, Carr is probably going to come around, but, even then, he's not worth that kind of money. I don't think he'll ever be more than a Jake Plummer type QB. And he definitely needs a change of scenery. I'm not sure how many more sack records he wants to set, but at this rate, he'll break them all.


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JMO, but the "go to a winner" FA lure is vastly overstated. FA's go where the $'s are in the majority of cases. Plaxico Burress could have resigned with the 15-1 Steelers but hit the market for big dollars in NY. Lamont Jordan went from a playoff Jets to tomb dwelling Raiders. Marcus Pollard went from Indy to Detroit. The biggest reason the Texans won't sign FA's quickly is the uncertainty of the CBA. It is going to be tough for anyone to get a deal done for a premier player until a CBA gets done--some deals will get done, but probably not as fast a clip.
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You win long term through the draft not free agency. I don't think the Texans have failed to try in free agency, however, they have vastly overpaid for the value received to date. I think we will focus on the draft. In free agency, the only big names to look at are Bentley, Runyan, or Lepsis (if he does not rework his deal as expected). I doubt we make a real serious run at any of these three, but maybe. Otherwise we will probably sign a mediocre TE, DE, and possibly MLB. The draft is where we are going to rebuild this team.
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IMHO, top Free Agents cost too much, as do high draft picks. Not all FA, just the really saught after ones. Its kinda like the stock market when it gets really hot and everybody is on a bull run. People get crazy and buy anything just because they think "I gotta have it". I've been in real estate a long time and there is one truth I have found and that is there is always another deal right around the corner so don't panic. Just wait a little bit, the market will correct itself and you can pay a reasonable price for assets.

This free agent market is starting to get interesting. From the look of the recent cuts, allot of very talented players are coming on the market.
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It looks like Lepsis has reworked his deal in Denver. With Hutchison getting Tagged Bentley is the only premier lineman available. There are enough teams that want him the Texans would have to overpay to get him. He'd be a great addition, but the team can't afford to use up the entire cap room on one player. I thought I saw on ESPN that the Texans will have about $6 million to spend. I'm not sure if that was already taking into consideration the rookie pool or not.
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It looks like Lepsis has reworked his deal in Denver. With Hutchison getting Tagged Bentley is the only premier lineman available. There are enough teams that want him the Texans would have to overpay to get him. He'd be a great addition, but the team can't afford to use up the entire cap room on one player. I thought I saw on ESPN that the Texans will have about $6 million to spend. I'm not sure if that was already taking into consideration the rookie pool or not.
In my opinion, the addition of Bentley would go most of the way to fixing our o-line problems. Therefore he is worth more to us, so offering him more than other teams isn't necessarily overpaying in my view. Add that to the fact he's a proven Pro-Bowler, and I'd be willing to pay more than other teams for him.

I think we can afford to, and should, make one big splash in freee agency. He might be the guy.
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Bentley is likely to sign with the Eagles

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In my opinion, the addition of Bentley would go most of the way to fixing our o-line problems. Therefore he is worth more to us, so offering him more than other teams isn't necessarily overpaying in my view. Add that to the fact he's a proven Pro-Bowler, and I'd be willing to pay more than other teams for him.

I think we can afford to, and should, make one big splash in freee agency. He might be the guy.

When he's the only FA lineman stud available, everyone will have to overpay him. The Texans would have to do even more so. While he would be a great addition, the team also needs a pass rushing DE and a 2nd corner as well. They can't put every egg in one basket. If the CBA gets done and an additional $10 million is added to the cap that might change things.
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When he's the only FA lineman stud available, everyone will have to overpay him. The Texans would have to do even more so. While he would be a great addition, the team also needs a pass rushing DE and a 2nd corner as well. They can't put every egg in one basket. If the CBA gets done and an additional $10 million is added to the cap that might change things.
In my overall plan, I would use the first pick on Mario Williams. Then we've addressed two glaring weaknesses with our one big free agent sigining and our top draft pick. We've addressed the trenches. The rest of our holes would be filled this year by drafting and much lower priced free agents. With the Texans, even low priced free agents can upgrade some positions.

As far as putting all the eggs in one basket, I'd only do this with a Bentley type player because he is proven to be elite, as opposed, for example, a Wade who was proven to be pretty good at Miami.

I think after fixing these two big needs fixing others after the 2006 season becomes easier and everything builds on a more solid foundation.


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Agree with what some have said regarding the winning allure in FA - many of these players play for money, pure and simple. Or they go to a team where they can be the #1 instead of the #2 or #3. Sure there are other factors, and sure there are players who are more concerned with aspects other than the dollar, but as far as our past in the FA goes, I would blame our talent evaluators/negotiations, etc. for failure to bring in the best guys and make them a real offer.

As far as this year, I don't expect us to do much. So far the pool of positions we need to fill is pretty thin, and I'm not sure the money will be worth it in many of these cases. The CBA's future being in doubt, this will make it even harder to navigate.

Will be interesting to see, and plenty of time left, but I do not think we will make any big moves this time around.
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JMO, but the "go to a winner" FA lure is vastly overstated. FA's go where the $'s are in the majority of cases. Plaxico Burress could have resigned with the 15-1 Steelers but hit the market for big dollars in NY. Lamont Jordan went from a playoff Jets to tomb dwelling Raiders. Marcus Pollard went from Indy to Detroit. The biggest reason the Texans won't sign FA's quickly is the uncertainty of the CBA. It is going to be tough for anyone to get a deal done for a premier player until a CBA gets done--some deals will get done, but probably not as fast a clip.
I agree completely. Sure, we won't get anybody to take a discount to come to a winner, but our franchise is an attractive one. This year is the test for our ability to land quality veterans. Before we were sticking to a blueprint, trying to remain conservative and build this thing from the ground up. With a big, warm weather city, brand new facilities, first class owner, and football-centric city, Houston has a lot to offer.
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I agree completely. Sure, we won't get anybody to take a discount to come to a winner, but our franchise is an attractive one. This year is the test for our ability to land quality veterans. Before we were sticking to a blueprint, trying to remain conservative and build this thing from the ground up. With a big, warm weather city, brand new facilities, first class owner, and football-centric city, Houston has a lot to offer.

The one thing everyone forgets ....Everyone accept R.Bush that is .... No state income tax . Less money to the government and more money in the players pocket is about as attractive as it gets .
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I agree completely. Sure, we won't get anybody to take a discount to come to a winner, but our franchise is an attractive one. This year is the test for our ability to land quality veterans. Before we were sticking to a blueprint, trying to remain conservative and build this thing from the ground up. With a big, warm weather city, brand new facilities, first class owner, and football-centric city, Houston has a lot to offer.
The one qualifier I would add to that post is winning probably becomes more and more important the older players get (and the more lucrative their prior contracts have been). The 2nd contract is the big pay day for most players. Guys like Ty Law who have tons of money already and are only looking to play a few more years are probably much pickier about not going to a "loser."
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I think we should pull 1 or 2 out of the free agency that are big names but we need to be careful doing so because like everyone has said. They want winning teams!
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Since when is winning important in football? I thought it was all about money.
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