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Old 03-01-2006   #1
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Let me preface this by saying that I'm a season ticket holder. I haven't been one from day one, but I got there as soon as I could financially.

I'm truly worried about the long-term health of this franchise (wins & losses, standing in the community). Before you Bush and Young backers come in droves, this is not a Bush vs. Young thread.

I worry for the health of this franchise for the following:

1) McNairs choice in Casserly has a proven track record of failure with respect to evaluating and bringing in talent to build a successful team. His head scratching moves are long and are chronicled all throughout the pages of threads. He's still with the franchise in some capacity, even if it is as a stool pigeon to take a fall when the losing continues. We've shown a surprising inability to make more good decisions than bad ones with respect to personnel.

2) There is a growing unrest and general deterioration in the public's perception of the franchise in Houston, but also in Texas at large. The first year the Texans came into existence, there was a competing radio broadcast in my market (West Texas) to the Cowboys broadcast. Both games on different stations, with sold out advertising. This past year, no Texans radio broadcast, yet the Cowboys broadcast is as strong as ever. In addition, from the first year of the franchise's existence, the Texan games were always on TV on the AFC affiliate. That was the case up until about halfway through this past year. From about week 8 onward, the local CBS affiliate took whatever game seemed most appealing (Steelers, Bears, Colts, Tampa Bay, etc.) and the Texans were not on TV....period. Any way you slice it or dice it, that is a baaaad thing. That didn't even happen to the Oilers when they had some abysmal teams.

3) The Bush vs. Young thing threatens to split this franchise's waning fan base right apart. There is a large sentiment amongst the city as well as a sizable group of season ticket holders who are actively supporting Young as the Texans pick. Many are even staking their season tickets on whether he is picked or not. On the other side, you've got people who want Reggie Bush. Some of those folks may feel that way because of hype, some because they are Longhorn haters, and others simply think he'll help the team to win more immediately. Either way for the Texans it is a lose/lose situation. Take Young, create local buzz, but not be closer to building the pieces for a longer term success (winning is several years away). Take Bush and alienate a portion of your fanbase and possibly have Young go to a division rival with the potential to haunt you twice a year for a decade or so. Then there is the potential that Reggie will be a third down only back and simply not be value for the first pick and the money he'll draw. A pick of Bush with him turning out to be a bust is the worst possible case scenario. It would almost be better to have won the SF game and not have the first pick so the team would have some modicum of an "out".

I'm hoping for the best, but unfortunately, there seem to be clouds of the Tampa Buccaneer type futility on the horizon. We'll know a lot over the course of the next 11 months or so.

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3) The Bush vs. Young thing threatens to split this franchise's waning fan base right apart.
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I thought you said in the beginning you didnt want this to be a Bush verses Young thread? But you put it out there just for that....

I disagree on this point totally with you. The fans are fans no matter who they draft, unless they go completely bonkers on us. But for those who say draft bush or else and those that say draft young or else, all I can say is fare well amigos. You were not a fan to start with. Don't let that door hit you in a rear end....
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I see drafting either one as doing potential damage to the long term health of the franchise.

I was trying to capture the Catch 22 aspect of this year's draft.

If you don't see it as a danger, fine. But I think it has the potential to be harmful, unless you think all of this Bush vs. Young crap is really beneficial to the club and the club's image. Just witness your signature line as evidence to what I allude.

By the way, which type of Bush proponent are you?

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I see drafting either one as doing potential damage to the long term health of the franchise.

I was trying to capture the Catch 22 aspect of this year's draft.

If you don't see it as a danger, fine. But I think it has the potential to be harmful, unless you think all of this Bush vs. Young crap is really beneficial to the club and the club's image.

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I havent seen this much buzz about the Texans from fans since years 1 and 2. I think someone is doing excellent PR work myself...
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Problem is that it is not positive buzz.
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Winning cures everything. None of this matters if we become a team that consistently challenges for the play-offs and wins some play-offs games.
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While I agree that the Young vs. Bush stuff is mindless and *****ic, I don't think it will affect the longterm standing of the fanbase. Anyone who won't stay a fan of the team because the team won't pick a specific player isn't a true fan. Yes, Young would create some added interest from people who don't normally follow the Texans. A lot of the strong VY backers in the forums have member dates in January of 2006. While they might have been casual fans the thought of having VY stay home has made them even more interested in the team. However, no one player will keep the fan interest as much as winning will. If the team feels that the best way to create a winning organization is to go with Young or Bush or someone else and they do that, it won't matter to the largest part of the fan base. If Young comes back from Tennessee once a year the real fans will enjoy seeing him play, but will root for the Texans to beat them.
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By the way, which type of Bush proponent are you?

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Well since you asked, I am for drafting smart. And Vince isnt smart.......

Why waste the first pick on a project like that. Total BS.....
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While I agree that the Young vs. Bush stuff is mindless and *****ic, I don't think it will affect the longterm standing of the fanbase. Anyone who won't stay a fan of the team because the team won't pick a specific player isn't a true fan. Yes, Young would create some added interest from people who don't normally follow the Texans. A lot of the strong VY backers in the forums have member dates in January of 2006. While they might have been casual fans the thought of having VY stay home has made them even more interested in the team. However, no one player will keep the fan interest as much as winning will. If the team feels that the best way to create a winning organization is to go with Young or Bush or someone else and they do that, it won't matter to the largest part of the fan base. If Young comes back from Tennessee once a year the real fans will enjoy seeing him play, but will root for the Texans to beat them.
Well said. A UT fan who is actually a real Texans fan and not just a VY fan. Your type seems to be few and far between these days. Thanks for being here.
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Well since you asked, I am for drafting smart. And Vince isnt smart.......

Why waste the first pick on a project like that. Total BS.....
He's probably smart enough not to pimp out a Ford Explorer. Just a guess...
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Anyone who bases their fanaticism on an unproven rookie is more of a fan for that player's potential than the concept of rooting for a team. Every franchise has an ebb and flow of fans that come around when the team is winning, change of coach or in the spotlight due to a high draft pick. We are hitting two for three right now.

It is the die hards who believe in the franchise and painfully have to succumb to sophomoric banter that comes with being a losing franchise. But it is them who have realistic expectations or cautious optimism by wanting to debate on the merits of the current assets and dollars available for acquisition rather than a popularity contest as there have plenty of can't miss prospects miss. The die hards will get their day again when the NFL prom finishes in late April.
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Problem is that it is not positive buzz.
No positive Buzz We just hired a new coach who helped build one of the most successful football programs over the past decade and hired another former head coach who had consistent success until his team was decimated with injuries. Plus we have the #1 ovrl. pick and 4 picks in the top 70, but draft aside, the moves we have made already has made this a successful offseason.

What are you talking about no positive buzz.

As far as the Bush and Young debate, don't buy into what you read on this board, whoever we draft isn't going to send half the city jumping off a bridge. It is actually very small in the big scheme of things.
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HistoryHorn, you and all the UT fans are going to have to come to grips with the Texans not drafting VY. It's done, powers that be have proclaimed DC the man. It's a very simple decision for the Texans now that VY has slipped to the 3rd best QB available in this years draft behind JC. I mean, what sane football fan would demand that their team take the 3rd best player at their position with the 1st overall pick???

I will also add for good measure that RB is not the player we need. If we are hell bent on drafting a running back with our 1st pick, then trade down, stock additional picks and with our first pick, take DeAngelo Williams or LenDale White. These two guys represent the best 2 backs available in this years draft. Both could carry the ball between the T's, have the speed to take it outside, can deliver punishment at point of contact, have the size plus durability to carry the ball 20 to 30 times a game and like Eddie George gets stronger in the 3rd and 4th quarters. I'm sorry, RB is not this kind of back.

I'd like to see us nab a few of the Ohio St players and UT's DB. I really like that trio of LB's from OSU.
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Winning will solve all of our problems. Let's assume Young gets picked 3rd by the Titans. Now let's pretend Young becomes and awesome QB on a cruddy team. He's an MVP candidate year almost every year, but the Titans can't manage to win games. Now pretend we draft Reggie Bush and he becomes a decent back. Not a great one, but maybe 1100 yards a season. Not too shabby, but not what the expectactions were when he got drafted. But the Texans have a winning team year in and year out. Now if this happened, I don't think fans would care that we didn't draft Vince Young. Winning puts fans in the seats, not individual players.
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there is reason to be worried about this franchise but it's not because of the draft it's because of the CBA and the players union...it's because the owners are divided and we're heading to a bad point in time for pro football...if there is no cap in 2007 it's going to get worse and worse...although with no cap this would be a league owned by the larger market teams which we are one...so there might be some upside to that...but a competitive NFL is what's fun to watch not like MLB where you are garenteed the yanks, sox, and braves are gonna be in the playoffs every year
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For what it's worth. I am a Texas fan. I love what Vince has done for my college team. But I do not think he is the wise pick for the Texans, my professional football team.

The wise pick is to trade the hell out of number one. Draft OL and front 7 on the D. Pick up a back later in the draft if you're hell bent on getting one.

If you've got to have a new franchise QB, then Leinart is the man. He is the "safe" pick. He's the prototype NFL QB and will be the quickest of the top three to be ready to win.

Young has the most upside of the three top QB's, but he also entails risk that Leinart does not. I do not think Cutler will make a better NFL QB than Young over the long haul. He has Ryan Leaf written all over him in.

As to negative buzz. The damn Bush vs. Young debate is not the kind of publicity and buzz you'd want for the franchise.

New coaching staff, great. Several early picks, great. But most of that is being overshadowed by the bashing on both sides of the Young/Bush debate. See Explorer boy for the prime example.

Long term, it may be a mole-hill, but it is something that this franchise doesn't need right now.

As to the other issues for the health of the franchise, I think we've squandered an opportunity to win fans across the state. Winning does cure a lot, but don't think that this franchise has done itself any favors with respect to the long-term fanbase outside of the immediate Houston area, and even inside Harris County with the bumbling nature of the front office and prior coaching regime.

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See Explorer boy for the prime example.
Why get personal? I have said all along if we need a back, that Deangleo (sp?) from Memphis is the best choice and if we had to have a QB right now, Leinart is the best pick. I don't care if we trade completely out of the first round, I will still be in my seats watching them win or lose. But I got tired of all of the newbies coming in here after watching Texas beat USC and claiming they would leave the fan base if we did not draft Vince Young. It is only my opinion that he is not the best choice for us as a football team now because he needs time to develop and we need help now. But you made a statement about MY team and I replied. After the draft I will be glad to change my signature line to something else, but not until then......

And just for your information, I am not a kid...
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I don't think too many people will stop being Texan fans if they don't get Bush. As far as the VY crowd goes, I suspect that many of them were not Texan fans until they started thinking we might get VY in the first place, so losing them would not be much of a loss really. I think that, no matter how you look at it, this team will start next season with more fans than it had late last year and that will definitely continue if they have a better season, which they surely will. Just bringing in Kubiak has ussured many that they are a franchise to root for.

I think most of the people who say they won't continue with this team if we don't do "X" have not been fans very long anyway. There are always exceptions of course.
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