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Old 08-15-2004   #1
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SHIFTING THE DEFENSE: Capers also announced plans to work outside linebacker Kailee Wong at inside linebacker beginning this week.

The team saw a ferocious pass rush when Babin and linebacker Antwan Peek played at the same time Saturday night. Capers said the tandem are "relentless players."

Moving Wong to the inside is not permanent. The Texans have their top two tacklers – Jamie Sharper and Jay Foreman – returning to the position.

Instead, Wong will be more of a contingency plan. The Texans put a league-high 17 players on injured reserve in 2003.

“You have to prepare for everything,” Capers said.

ok so this isnt "breaking news". but it is a continued affirmation of previous sentiment after having reviewed game film. its just a matter of time before wong replaces foreman i think...
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Default Re: more team speed at lb soon...

Again I ask why does everyone assume Wong would replace Foreman? Personally I haven't seen anything from Wong that would reward him the ILB position over Foreman.
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Default Re: more team speed at lb soon...

I think this means we have 5 really bad a?s LBs and now we get to use one as a utility man. The LB play was awesome last night and it carried over into the secondary.
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Default Re: more team speed at lb soon...

I love to here this good news. I am sure the depth at DL is going to help also. We need to know that we have a competant backup at all the LB positions. Having Wong learn all these roles is good. I would like to see Peek learn a little about the ILB spot just in case as well. Eventually we will have to replace our ILB's (retirement or FA).
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Default wong moved inside

texans website had this posted that wong was taking reps at the inside spot moving foreman back on the depth chart...i personally believe this is a great move and a telling sign that peek is ready for the starting role...what do ya'll think?
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Default Re: wong moved inside

I think they recognize Peek's explosiveness off the edge and they want to get him on the field as much as possible.

I think they are giving Kailee some reps inside just in case Foreman or Sharper go down with injury.

I think Kailee will still be the 1st and 2nd down guy at ROLB.

Some will read between the lines that Foreman could eventually become the odd man out but Wong and Sharper's contracts both expire at the end of '05 and I suspect that they would keep Sharper over Wong. I seriously doubt they will be able to keep both.
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Well I think the writing might be on the wall for Wong. Eventhough he is a good player, I feel he may be out of place in the 3-4.
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Default Re: wong moved inside

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texans website had this posted that wong was taking reps at the inside spot moving foreman back on the depth chart...
Couldn't disagree more. Again, no one here has given one good reason to explain why Wong would be a better ILB than Foreman.
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Couldn't disagree more. Again, no one here has given one good reason to explain why Wong would be a better ILB than Foreman.
If you want a random opinion, I’ll give you one. Foreman is not as quick to diagnose a play and he doesn't play the run as well as Wong. We don't use Foreman much in an occasional blitz because he has poor pass-rushing skills. We could start blitzing more frequently out of the Buc if Wong started there. Wong is as good in coverage as Foreman is and can take on NFL Guards better than Foreman has the ability to when they come out to the second level to throw a block in space. Foreman is easily blocked when confronted with solid Guard play.
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Default Re: more team speed at lb soon...

Okay, I'll take that, and assume you know what you're talking about.

I do think Foreman moves better than Wong laterally, which is what lots of teams look for in a ILB. I guess I've just seen Foreman make more plays on the field than Wong, that's why.
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I could be wrong and I'm not afraid to be, so heck, the bottom line is we have a bit of depth finally. If we didn't, we wouldn't be talking about a possible switch. Most of the plays are set up so that the two MLB's in Caper's 3-4 make the bulk of the tackles. If you insert Wong I would bet the tackles don't increase but he would make more tackles of impact at or behind the line of scrimmage than Foreman is capable of.
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no one here has given one good reason to explain why Wong would be a better ILB than Foreman.
I think this is one of those situations that falls under the "The coaches know more than us fans, so let's trust thier judgement" catagory.
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I think this is one of those situations that falls under the "The coaches know more than us fans, so let's trust thier judgement" catagory.
I'm not pretending to know more than the coaches, but it's silly with some of you who think because Wong takes some reps at ILB he's all of a sudden the new starter over Foreman. That's my gripe.
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Default Re: more team speed at lb soon...

I know that Peek will eventually take over ROLB spot by the middle of the season. There's no doubt about it but then comes the problem with the buc. Now I know from what I've seen in games and read in this thread that Wong is better in stopping the run and rushing the passer. Foreman has the edge in covering the receiver. But this is what creates the controversy. Surely both Wong and Foreman are NFL starting caliber LBs and they both feel that way, but when one one of these guys will fall in the depth chart I'm afraid that they will be very unhappy and will probably demand a trade.

What do you guys think about this?
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Foreman is a borderline NFL starter imo (I'd probably rate at least 25 other starting MLB's over him). He would have a hard time starting at most of the other 31 NFL teams, so I'm not sure that would accomplish much (demanding trade). Right now Foreman is the likely starter at the Buc, and if he isn't he will be a first-rate reserve that would see the field in plenty of situations. Someone hinted at this earlier but we will probably see different LB packages driven by down and distance as well as individual match-ups this year. If Foreman or Wong is displaced, either guy will still see the field quite a bet I'm sure. Both guys are pros also, so I don't think they will whine too much about not starting even though they would obviously not desire that development. If we are going to be any good we really need to be this deep at our various position groups so this is really not such a bad thing.
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no one here has given one good reason to explain why Wong would be a better ILB than Foreman.
NO ONE CAN GUARANTEE THAT WONG WILL/WOULD BE A BETTER ILB THAN FOREMAN...FOREMAN HAS PUT UP SOME GOOD #'S AS FAR AS TACKLES ARE CONCERNED, BUT MOST OF HIS TACKLES ARE MADE 4-5 YARDS WITHIN THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE...WONG PROVIDES BETTER PRESSURE ON THE QB, HOWEVER, WITH THAT COMES OPPORTUNITIES TO STOP THE TAILBACK AT OR BEHIND THE OPPOSING L.O.S...AGAIN, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS "MOVE" WILL WORK OUT, BUT IT'S WORTH A TRY...
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Default Re: more team speed at lb soon...

Wong doesn't want to play ILB, if I recall correctly. Turned down an offer from CLE to play ILB so he could play OLB for the Texans. I agree he offers great depth at the position, and I think the team is approaching it correctly, since I don't really see Wong being any better at ILB than Foreman.
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Default Re: more team speed at lb soon...

Capers said last night on 610 that they were giving Wong reps at ILB so he could step in for either Sharper or Foreman in case of injury. From what he said, they pretty much feel they have 5 quality LB's and that if one of them goes down they want the other 4 playing. He also hinted that Wong would see some action at ILB as a pass rusher, and I am assuming that Wong would be stepping in for Foreman in that case because Sharper is definitely a better pass rusher than Foreman.
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Capers said last night on 610 that they were giving Wong reps at ILB so he could step in for either Sharper or Foreman in case of injury. From what he said, they pretty much feel they have 5 quality LB's and that if one of them goes down they want the other 4 playing. He also hinted that Wong would see some action at ILB as a pass rusher, and I am assuming that Wong would be stepping in for Foreman in that case because Sharper is definitely a better pass rusher than Foreman.
The logical progression is that Wong likely starts on normal down and distance packages at ROLB, when it becomes more of a passing down Foreman will go out and Wong shifts inside and Peek comes in to man the edge. I read somewhere that the Colts will be moving Freeney from right to left this year to create a bit more opportunity for him and for teams to have more to scheme for, so this kind of shifting of our linebackers will likely be something akin to that.
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