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Old 02-25-2006   #1
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According to Pro Football Talk, the word at the Combine is that Vince Young scored a 6 out of 50 on the Wonderlic.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Said the source, who knows a thing or two about evaluating college players:

"I predict he'll fall all the way out of the first round."

That's a bold statement, and we're not saying that we agree with it -- primarily because our guess is that there's someone almost dumb enough to get a six on the Wonderlic, who'll overlook Young's low score along with any other concerns that might come to light over the next two months.
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What exactly is the Wonderlic?

Never mind. I found it. Here are some sample questions.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html
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That's hard to believe. I don't think it's true either, but that's just a gut feeling. That site doesn't look like the most reliable one in the world either...
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Just a tabloid site
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Probably someone in the bottom half of the top 10 trying to create doubts about his intelligence to see if he drops a few spots.
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So thats why he's leaving early, schools a lil tough on him. Imagine if he got hurt and had to try/or attend class.
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Just to help some people here out. ProFootballTalk is not just a "tabloid site". Don't take that as personal, but I just wanted to let you know.

Mike Florio started the site after his initial site was bought by ESPN. It is now called ESPN Insider. So, it's certainly far from a flash in the pan site.

He has alot of legitimate contacts in the NFL. Now keep in mind, alot of those contacts are agents. So, if Jay Cutler's agent wants to stir the pot a bit he could spread a rumor through Florio and others that Young scored a 6 on the Wonderlic.

I know alot of Longhorns fans will dismiss it as BS, but from listening to Vince in interviews I wouldn't be surprised if he had a lower score. If he had a 6 then I'm sorry, but that should really hurt his status. A 6 is so pathetic I can't imagine he really scored it though. That's just really, really bad.

Guys like Donovan McNabb and Dan Marino scored in the 13-15 range so, there's some ammunition for you if he scores there and people rip on him.

If he scored a 6, I don't know what to say.
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Just to help some people here out. ProFootballTalk is not just a "tabloid site".

Imagine if this site did not exist, we'd never have heard of Ron Mexico .... I have to admit that I visit it quite often myself ....
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I got 13 out of 15 correct on the sample test, giving myself about 10 seconds for each answer, using no paper. This is child's play. I could have gotten at least 10 out of 15 using paper as a 5th grader. It's really kind of embarrasing how our HS's and Colleges are turning out people with rocks for brains. OTOH, there is "normal" smart, and football smart. I am more concerned about football smarts myself. Granted a QB is generally going to need to be intelligent, but knocking him out of the first rd? Come on now.
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Just a little more info on the Wonderlic to put things in perspective:

Some teams consider the test results critical. Others say they dismiss the results, except for players who score at the extremes. What's an extreme? Well, former Bengals punter and Harvard grad Pat McInally scored a perfect 50 -- the only NFL player known to do so -- while at least one player, it is rumored, scored a 1. Charlie Wonderlic Jr., president of Wonderlic Inc., says, "A score of 10 is literacy, that's about all we can say."If that's the case, more than a few pros are being delivered the Books-on-Tape version of the playbook.

Each year, about 2.5 million job applicants, in every line of work, take the Wonderlic. The average NFL combiner scores about the same as the average applicant for any other job, a 21. A 20 indicates the test-taker has an IQ of 100, which is average.

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Here is some more interesting info. These are some scores of past QB's, including David Carr. Young, if this is true, would be the lowest of any of these.


Tom Brady has a wonderlic score of 33, second highest to Stanford's Todd Husac of 39 in the 2000 draft. The surprising thing is that Mr. Rhodes Scholar Chad Pennington only has a 25 score. Tee Martin has an awful 11 score, which makes you wonder how any team could have chosen him ahead of Tom.

Michigan's Brian Griese and Drew Hensom have two of the higest scores, Griese at 39 and Henson at an eye-popping 42, second highest in history.

Here are some other interesting historical scores:

Dan Marino 14
Steve Young 33 (just like Tommy)
Vinny Testaverde 18
Randall Cunningham 15
Rich Gannon 27
Troy Aikman 29
Bret Favre 22
Drew Bledsoe 37 (Smarter than Tom!)
Kordell Stewart 12
Michael Bishop 10
Donovan McNabb 12
Dante Culpepper 15
Chris Redman 16 (picked ahead of Tom)
AJ Feeley 19
Michale Vick 20
David Carr 24
Ben Rothlisberger 25


These scores are certainly reflective of the players' intelligence. I always thought McNabb and Culpepper play dumb, and their scores confirm it. I also thought Michael Vick, though not smart, is still smarter than McNabb and Culpepper, which is again confirmed by the scores.

I always thought Marino used his brawn rather than his brain, not like Joe Montana and Steve Young. Again, their scores confrim it.

Randall Cunningham, Vinny Testaverde, Kordell Stewart always make stupid plays. Which again is confimed by the score.

The one surprising score is Drew Bledsoe. I also thought he was dumb, always making those stupid decisions. But, surprisingly, Drew has a very high score.

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Also this site has the wonderlic on most of the modern day QB's, going back as far as 1982. The lowest scores I can find are a few 10's and 11's. So, if Young's 6 is confirmed, it does have to make you wonder at least a little bit.
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If true it pretty much sinks Vince's boat. Are these numbers going to become public knowledge? I mean, do they come out with the rest of the combine measurements?

What were Cutler's and Leinart's scores, anybody know?
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http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Interesting read saying that out of the Wonderlic Test they give at the combine Vince Young had scored a 6! out of 50 questions, I don't know about the rest of you, but i don't want a quarterback like that.
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if true yes ive seen what he can do on the field but more than vince young i just want another QB hell offer me jesse palmer he would be and upgrade. it does not have to be vince young for me just someone else.
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I would dismiss those scores.

Forrest Gump was an absolute terror for the Crimson Tide, and I doubt IQ slowed his game.
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Surely it's a mistake......... I bet they meant 60. As in off the chart.
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ahahhahha. no one scores a 6 on the wonderlic. hahhhahahh. theres no way he scored a 6.
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They are reporting that they have confirmed that he did in fact do a 6 for his score. THAT is beyond comprehension. Just go take the test yourself. Anyone that isn't a pet rock can get 15 or better.
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They are reporting that they have confirmed that he did in fact do a 6 for his score. THAT is beyond comprehension. Just go take the test yourself. Anyone that isn't a pet rock can get 15 or better.
Well, this give every HS student in America a viable chance to get into UT.

"But I scored double digits on my wonderlic test..."
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They are reporting that they have confirmed that he did in fact do a 6 for his score. THAT is beyond comprehension. Just go take the test yourself. Anyone that isn't a pet rock can get 15 or better.
OUCH!!!!!!!!!!

Sucks for him, but I must say he/his managment team have done very little to help him get drafted #1. It all really kinda sad.
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