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Old 02-23-2006   #1
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ATLANTA -- Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush, the former Southern California tailback likely to be the top pick in the 2006 draft, will not work out at the scouting combine sessions this week in Indianapolis, and will wait until the Trojans' annual "pro day" to audition for scouts.
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So I guess we need to look elsewhere since Bush and VY are both scared.
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Anybody worth looking at going to work out?
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If you have DirecTV watch it on channel 212. I really like Mike Mayock as a draft evaluator. Corey Chavous who has been nice in the past, has really stepped up his game in the draft discussions. Really good insightful stuff. In my opinion no one comes even close to comparision. It is all about football.
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thanks.

I have the NFL network, but I have Dish Network. Same thing basically though. Channel 154 for me. I will probably record it to watch later.
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I have just as much of a problem with Bush not particpating in the combine as I do Young. I know it might come as a shock to some, but I'm one of those rare birds that have yet to make up my mind yet, as to who should be taken with the 1st overall pick, as if it really mattered of course.

I would like to see how they both perform in the same "unfamilar conditions with unfamiliar players" as the rest of the prospects will have to perform in. And based upon those performances, I would like to read legitimate NFL scouting reports, that are uncolored or untainted by local bias.

And I regard, or to put it better, disregard those "pro days" as nothing more than choreographed PR stunts.

Screw the both of them.
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I'm a fence stradler on this one.

Work out or not to work out, that is the question.

I guess given the choice, I'd say no if I was in their shoes.

What scares me about Bush is that he may get his weight logged at the Combine but when his Pro-day cames he may decline to have his weight taken. Thus making me believe he crammed on the pounds for the combine to show he is 200 lbs.+.
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I have just as much of a problem with Bush not particpating in the combine as I do Young. I know it might come as a shock to some, but I'm one of those rare birds that have yet to make up my mind yet, as to who should be taken with the 1st overall pick, as if it really mattered of course.

I would like to see how they both perform in the same "unfamilar conditions with unfamiliar players" as the rest of the prospects will have to perform in. And based upon those performances, I would like to read legitimate NFL scouting reports, that are uncolored or untainted by local bias.

And I regard, or to put it better, disregard those "pro days" as nothing more than choreographed PR stunts.

Screw the both of them.
I understand completely where both of them are comming from. (Bush and Vince)

Why in the world would Bush work out.......ask yourself why.

Bush is already the consensus #1 ovrl. pick in this draft and by far the #1 prospect at his position, what possibly could he gain by working out at the combine. If he did decide to work out, I'd begin to question his sanity he has nothing to gain and could stand to lose millions.

Vince has nothing to gain by working out either. Teams that will consider taking him either like his game or they don't, no work out he could possibly do at Indy is going to top the performance he put up at the Rose Bowl and its not like he was going to come out at Indy and show off his new orthodox throwing motion.

As he sits right now he is the consensus #2 prospect at his position and personally I think he doesn't mind it one bit. Every time he's asked about where he wants to play he says he would love to play for the Texans, but now he also includes Tennessee, in one interview when asked "what about New Orleans", he kinda chuckled, he wants NO part of New Orleans and I don't blame him. Now back to the combine, if I was him I would want the last bit of film the scouts had on me to be the Rose Bowl, which seems like his plan, which is very smart.

The Combine is so very overated anyway, every year you hear about some guy who comes out of nowhere and blasts his way up the draft because of the numbers he puts up at the combine and then he disapears and has a mediocre career and on the flip side you have players that dominated at the college level, but flop at the combine and they fall significantly in the draft, only to go on and become mid round gems and steals and people wonder where they came from, look at the tape. Thats all I care about is the game film.

The combine is really for draft nerds and while I don't mind it for the only reason, because its has something to do with football during the offseason, I really don't care all that much about it and don't put too much stock into it.
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It's not that they are hiding anything. It's that they can't improve thier positin anymore. They are already gonna go in the top 3. If they do workout they risk a bad day, an injury(although unlikely) and maybe a slip or some outside factor that may make them look bad.
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Mario Williams, Eric winston, and Nick Mangold are working out so it is worth it to me. Throw in McIntosh and a slew of safties and corners and we have a party. Did any of you expect the big three to work out though. They never really do. Last year was an exception to the rule.
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What do these guys have to hide, I dont understand. It is just a workout?
Its not what they have to hide, but what they have to lose, which is a lot of money and when that much money is on the line it isn't just a workout. These aren't guys sitting on the bubble, needing to make a impression, or needing to seperate from the rest of the pack, they've already done that. Why would they risk millions on something that will have absolutely no effect on their draft status?

Obviously they've been listening to their agents and agents look out for their client's best interest and its obviously in their best interest not to work out, its that simple.

If a innocent man hires hires a lawyer, does that mean he has something to hide, no, he is hiring legal representation to represent him and protect his interests, its pretty much the same thing.

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But he is doing it on pro day at USC, I just wanted to see how fast his 40 is sooner than later.
Pro days are different at a athlete's pro day he doesn't have to compete against hundreds of athletes, and for the attention of scouts against hundreds of athletes. At the start of a pro day scouts are showing up to see "him" and at the end of the day they are left with a lasting impression of "him" and the athlete isn't compaired and judged against other athletes. It really has nothing to do with where the work out takes place, but under what circumstances the the work out takes place.
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once again, people are making a deal about nothing. it would be DUMB to go to the combine for these players
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I read an interesting article yesterday (not sure if it was on ESPN.com or SI.com) but it was about Jay Cutler and why the scouts love him. It said how Cutler is willing to take on any challenge that he is presented with and doesn't worry about his stock falling if he has a bad combine because he just wants to compete and a lot of scouts and GMs love that about him.
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Cutler doesn't have anything to lose the gap between him and the next QB prospect is pretty big.

He actually has something to gain, if he puts up a great performance at the the combine he could leap frog Vince and be a top 3 or 4 pick, he could make alot of money.

If he was in Matt's, of Vince's shoes I don't think he would be working out
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Cutler doesn't have anything to lose the gap between him and the next QB prospect is pretty big.
exactly. Basically if your stock can't go up you don't participate. If you can improve your stock and give yourself a shot a millions you participate. Bush and Young will both get their millions without participating. This is about money and being smart. Nothing else.
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Pro days are different at a athlete's pro day he doesn't have to compete against hundreds of athletes, and for the attention of scouts against hundreds of athletes. At the start of a pro day scouts are showing up to see "him" and at the end of the day they are left with a lasting impression of "him" and the athlete isn't compaired and judged against other athletes. It really has nothing to do with where the work out takes place, but under what circumstances the the work out takes place.
Well, at least you agree that "pro days" are nothing but PR stunts. But if they have nothing to gain, but everything to lose . . why even have a pro day?
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Well, at least you agree that "pro days" are nothing but PR stunts. But if they have nothing to gain, but everything to lose . . why even have a pro day?
because no one has EVER had a bad workout
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why even have a pro day?
Because they still want to make a good impression, stay hot on the scouts minds, and create buzz around the draft, they don't want to completely fall off the front page. They just want to do it on their terms.
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because no one has EVER had a bad workout

Terrell Suggs had a few bad workouts including his pro day. He fell to the Ravens because some doubted his conditioning.
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If you're a scout and you need a QB to throw 70-90 passes over the course of a few days at the combine because you haven't been able to get a read on his past few years of game tape, you need to find a different job.

If you think that the player needs to perform at the combine to display his competitive nature, then again, you need to look over his course of work from the past few years...not from this one particular week.

If you're a scout and you think the performance of a particular player at the combine should be used as a good measuring tool to how they project as an NFL player, then you need to find a different job.

It's become such a joke. Player A moves up 25 spots in the draft because he clocks a forty .13 seconds faster than expected and did 3 more reps of 225 than everybody else. Let's dismiss that he failed to make all-conference while playing in the MAC...look at his combine numbers.

In the meantime, 2-time All-American ran a less than spectacular forty and wasn't impressive in his interview because he's not "well spoken". Why take a chance on a player like that? Who cares he dominated the collegiate level for 3 years?

These "scouts" have become too smart for their own good.
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If you're a scout and you think the performance of a particular player at the combine should be used as a good measuring tool to how they project as an NFL player, then you need to find a different job.

It's become such a joke. Player A moves up 25 spots in the draft because he clocks a forty .13 seconds faster than expected and did 3 more reps of 225 than everybody else. Let's dismiss that he failed to make all-conference while playing in the MAC...look at his combine numbers.

In the meantime, 2-time All-American ran a less than spectacular forty and wasn't impressive in his interview because he's not "well spoken". Why take a chance on a player like that? Who cares he dominated the collegiate level for 3 years?

These "scouts" have become too smart for their own good.
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