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Old 08-16-2004   #41
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I've got top disagree with fublelitis comment, Hollings controlled the ball most every carry. Defense caused 1st fumble that no one even DD could have handled, can't think of any RB in NFL who could have kept that one.

I would think that Jamal Lewis is a pretty tough guy and he does not fumble much. Thats a guy Capers would love to have.
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Hollings - 40 touches - 2 fumbles – 20 touches/fumble
D. Davis - 285 touches - 4 fumbles – 71 touches/fumble
Portis - 634 touches - 8 fumbles – 79 touches/fumble
Thanks for the stats Lucky on Hollings, Davis and Portis. It appears that Portis has corrected the problem he had holding onto the ball early in his NFL career. Can you find Portis's ratio (touches to fumbles) for his first 40 carries?
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Can you find Portis's ratio (touches to fumbles) for his first 40 carries?
Portis didn't fumble in his 1st 61 touches in the NFL. His 1st fumble came in his 6th game against Miami and he fumbled 5 times in 306 touches his rookie year. Not sure where his reputation for fumbling came from. Maybe college?
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I'll be recieving some flaming for this probably but......Hollings didn't seem too fast...not how you guys make him out to be. He is fast but man...you guys make it seem like he's fast as a Clinton Portis or something....
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I don’t think Hollings is appreciably slower than Portis from point A to point B. It’s Portis’ ability to make tacklers miss that separates him from most other backs.
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I don't know...it's just that in my time examining Portis, the guy seems to go from 0 to 50 (exaggeration of course) in no time. I'm hoping Hollings does end up being like that but from Saturday's game...he's not that. I'm sure the coaching staff will be molding this guy very well...I'm just excited to see how it pans out.
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I don't think Hollings has ever been a "0-50 in nothing flat" guy. He's more of a long strider and does not have the cutback ability, lateral moves or explosiveness of a Portis. Hollings has more of a straight ahead running style but he has plenty of speed. That was evident on his run around left end on the first drive and the screen pass.

Hollings put the ball on the ground in preseason last year too. That and becoming more effective between the tackles are his biggest challenges to overcome now that the knee appears to have healed.
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stupid board...
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You are right. In addition to the fumble in preseason, he had one in the KC game and one at Tampa or Jax as well (I think it was Jax).
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Hollings has shown fumble issues so far in a limited amount of carries. It needs to be addressed.

There have been a few RB's that have been very productive inspite of their fb problems, however. As mentioned, Tiki Barber, Ahman Green, and Travis Henry have had FB problems. Heck even Jamal Lewis has fumblitis. Ricky Watters won a Super Bowl with fumble issues.
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Ricky Williams also had fumble issues.
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Default Hollings Speed

Someone posted in another thread that Tony didn't seem very fast. I think they said he didn't seem Portis fast.

IMHO- These guys have two very different running styles. Portis is a guy that is fast regardless of the direction he is moving and once he gets going up field, he is quick to his top speed.

I watched all four of Tony's college games and he reminds me of Robert Smith of the Vikings. More of a hundred meter guy that isn't going to get through the traffic as fast as Portis but if he makes the corner, he just kind of sits back and eats up the yards with long smooth strides.

I predict that if Davis has another good year and Tony is only getting 10-15 plays a game, the Texans may try to incorporate him in the passing game more to take advantage of his speed in the open field.
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Hollings has a very fluid running style and has a bit of an effortless gliding style that doesn't seem fast, but if you look at the guys chasing him they aren't catching him. He eats up space very quickly and sure looked explosive to me Saturday.
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me too. Folks are making a big deal about his fumbles. I think he played well and looked sharpe.
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The way I saw it, he had a few nice runs and three fumbles.
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what did u really expect? the guy played how many games as a rb in college?
1 fumble was a perfect hit.
1 fumble was an exchange between banks and hollings.
at least 1 was legit.

he was drafted because he has great potential---and he showed that.

hes not a polished rb...and wont be for sometime. give the guy a break on the fumbles (for now). ya should of known he was raw with his experience. i saw a player with a really really high ceilling. and i also saw a rb who had solid recieving skills. thats bonus considering he was converted from a db. i feel fine with our rb situation going into the season.

if its a continued problem (the fumbles) in the next couple of games, then maybe its time to cry wolf...until then im happy with his performance. RELAX.
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I guess that would be a good way to look at it if he was a project or on the practice squad but he's our #2 RB, a second round pick that per Capers will be fully expected to share the load this year. You guys can spin all the full moon crud you want about why he fumbled the other night, all I know is that he's been putting it on the ground way too much for a guy that could see 100 carries this year.
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Well, I can only speak for myself but in my opinion the Texans are deeper than ever before but not so deep that you can't find some projects on the 53 man roster. Hollings is for all practical purposes a "project" with some very good potential. Hey, Babin's a project who's going to be learning on the job. Seth Wand's a project that's (apparently) ahead of schedule. For the most part we're going to be relying on solid veteran players but at running back we're going to have Hollings and Wells (Who's also had some rock-dropping problems in the past).

He has been putting it on the ground way too much. All we can hope for is that it's correctable and it'll improve.
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Hollings fumbles were really the only down side of Saturdays game if you ask me. But he did show signs of some pretty good running skills.
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me too. Folks are making a big deal about his fumbles. I think he played well and looked sharpe.
The fumbles are a big deal. Luckily, he has the rest of the month to get that taken care of.
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