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Old 02-16-2006   #1
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Usually every potentially available player in the NFL has a thread started about their potential to become a Texan. With the large contingent who are very unhappy with David Carr and large contingent who are luke warm on David Carr, I am a bit surprised not to see a Culpepper discussion so here you go.

Reports are the Vikings are shopping Culpepper and are asking for a 2nd round draft pick. The Vikings would eat his entire signing bonus in any trade so his current salary is very reasonable thru 2013. In 2004 he put up 4700 yds, 39 TD's, 11 INT's with a QB rating of 110--but for Manning's record setting freakish year, Culpepper was a shoe in for MVP. Trade for him--Carr can feel the pressure and is available to prove his trade value or stardom until Culpepper is 100% healthy. That leaves the Texans with their #1 overall to either select Bush or trade down, probably getting back a 2nd like they gave up to get Culpepper. Culpepper, AJ, Bush & DD sounds like a ton of offense in a Denver system.

So who's on board?
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You are not doing this right. There should just be one line in the post about what a great QB Culpepper is. Too much actual information and logic.
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Haha, I'll have to pass. If his knee wasn't obliterated, I might be tempted, but we don't need a gimpy QB. Now if he was in form from 2 years ago, I'd say YEAH!
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You are not doing this right. There should just be one line in the post about what a great QB Culpepper is. Too much actual information and logic.
Man I knew I was screwing it up. I should have just thought about the Nicholson line in As Good as it Gets in response to "how do you write [MB posters] so well?"--answer--I think of a man and remove reason and responsibility.
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Word is Daunte wanted a $10 million raise from his $8 million salary. The boat incident probably would be an issue here too. I'd trade Carr for Culpepper straight up. However, this is almost guaranteed not to happen, Top 5 QB - injury - character questions - money demands - Golden Boy= no battle Red for Daunte.
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I don't like the way that Daunte looked without Randy Moss. I would like to see him with success without Randy before committing too much to get him.
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Word is Daunte wanted a $10 million raise from his $8 million salary.
Word is wrong at least partly (funny, I have noticed Word is a very unreliable source--anybody ever get a good look at him?)--Culpepper is reported to have asked for another bonus from the Vikings, an event which precipitated his being dangled as trade bait, but his salaries for the next 3 years under his current contract are:

2006-$2 mil
2007-$5.5 mil
2008-$6 mil

So in every year he is cheaper than Carr (considering the Texans don't have to account for his bonus) and in 2006 is very reasonable in a two QB total.
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Not sure I like Culpepper. He put up some impressive seasons but has been somewhat inconsistent, IMO, especially without Moss. I'm not canceling his ticket just yet, but in my thought he is not the stable, "veteran" leader we would be looking to if we were out to give Carr some competition: his deficiences (turnovers, among others) are well documented and he is still something of a project, albeit another exciting prospect in Kubiak's hands. Still, for his cost, you have to look twice at him.
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Haha, I'll have to pass. If his knee wasn't obliterated, I might be tempted, but we don't need a gimpy QB. Now ot. boif he was in form from 2 years ago, I'd say YEAH!
He has small hands Fumble problemstoo. I personally would prefer to pass on this guy.
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I like Culpepper, but much better as a FA pickup as opposed to a trade, because that mandates the Texans give something up. If nothing else, it could create some competition at the position. However, Daunte's knee would be highly suspect/at risk in a bootleg heavy system...
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Word is wrong at least partly (funny, I have noticed Word is a very unreliable source--anybody ever get a good look at him?)--Culpepper is reported to have asked for another bonus from the Vikings, an event which precipitated his being dangled as trade bait, but his salaries for the next 3 years under his current contract are:

2006-$2 mil
2007-$5.5 mil
2008-$6 mil

So in every year he is cheaper than Carr (considering the Texans don't have to account for his bonus) and in 2006 is very reasonable in a two QB total.
"Kevin Seifert, of the Star Tribune, reports Minnesota Vikings QB Daunte Culpepper demanded a big salary increase and owner Zygi Wilf was not thrilled to hear it. Culpepper, according to two people with knowledge of the situation, asked that approximately $10 million be added to his contract this season, increasing his total 2006 compensation to a staggering $18 million."

http://www.rtsports.com/php/draft-gu...er.php?PN=5887

Sorry, total compensation, not salary. The point remains, he wants alot more money.
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Vikings | Trading Culpepper a long shot
Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:49:41 -0800

Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports amid speculation the Minnesota Vikings are considering trading QB Daunte Culpepper to the highest bidder, two NFL team officials and two former team executives said such a deal is a long shot. Fran Foley, the Vikings' new vice president of player personnel, declined to answer repeated questions about Culpepper during a news conference Thursday, Feb. 16. Culpepper's health is one of the many challenges of a potential trade, said two team officials whose teams could be in the market for a quarterback. Former NFL team executives Rick Spielman and Ken Herock said trades are increasingly difficult to pull off in the NFL, especially for a quarterback.
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"Kevin Seifert, of the Star Tribune, reports Minnesota Vikings QB Daunte Culpepper demanded a big salary increase and owner Zygi Wilf was not thrilled to hear it. Culpepper, according to two people with knowledge of the situation, asked that approximately $10 million be added to his contract this season, increasing his total 2006 compensation to a staggering $18 million."

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Sorry, total compensation, not salary. The point remains, he wants alot more money.
Well he is asking for $10 mil of it so it isn't in the contract now. As for the discrepency between $8 mil and $2 mil, the $2 mil comes from the NFL Players Association so is reliable. Maybe there is a scheduled roster bonus, but that hasn't been mentioned in the news articles as impending. Even at $8 mil this year he is as cheap or cheaper than signing a #1 QB.

In any event, the main point here is an established successful MVP candidate QB in the prime of his career available and the Texans still keep their 1st round pick. Seems like a better recipe for success over the next 3 seasons than drafting VY. Folks have been saying VY will become a Culpepper/McNabb--well here is a chance to go ahead and get Culpepper plus Bush.
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I do not like to mince my fanatic and fantasy life. Although I love Daunte in fantasy and can't stand Carr's value in real American Football I see no reason for this fiscally nor in remedying Carr's faults as I believe what I like and dislike about Carr are the same questionable characteristics that I see in Culpepper.
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My problem with Dante, is that his leadership skills are about on Par with David Carr's........ I'd have Bit@h slapped Randy in the huddle, and told him to fetch.

In light of that, I would trade straight up. Maybe offer them Morency... or something along those lines..... Armstrong?? But not my second... But on a straight up trade, Carr's $8million dollar cap hit wouldn't bother me if I got Culpepper.(Would Dante's 2005 salary go against our cap??)

I do like Culpepper.... the River boat thing doesn't really bother me that much... I have no clue what really went on. But I've been to strip clubs(who hasn't) I've paid for lap dances.... I've never paid for the extra curicullars, but I'm sure if I were a multi millionaire, it wouldn't be hard to find several witnesses to say that I did. I am worried about his knee, some of his decisions this past season, and his mental state(how can he possibly be asking for more money now)

Well, I'd ask for more money to stay in Minnesota, where Dante is basically the whole team. I'd pay to go to Houston..... AJ, Gafney, MAthis, Armstrong........ Mmmmm, mmmmmmm, I can taste that MVP already.
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Well he is asking for $10 mil of it so it isn't in the contract now. As for the discrepency between $8 mil and $2 mil, the $2 mil comes from the NFL Players Association so is reliable. Maybe there is a scheduled roster bonus, but that hasn't been mentioned in the news articles as impending. Even at $8 mil this year he is as cheap or cheaper than signing a #1 QB.

In any event, the main point here is an established successful MVP candidate QB in the prime of his career available and the Texans still keep their 1st round pick. Seems like a better recipe for success over the next 3 seasons than drafting VY. Folks have been saying VY will become a Culpepper/McNabb--well here is a chance to go ahead and get Culpepper plus Bush.
Thats what they said on Sportscenter last night, that he was due a 6 mil roster bonus by Mar. 14th I think.
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I do not like to mince my fanatic and fantasy life. Although I love Daunte in fantasy and can't stand Carr's value in real American Football I see no reason for this fiscally nor in remedying Carr's faults as I believe what I like and dislike about Carr are the same questionable characteristics that I see in Culpepper.

Yes, some of the same questions are still there. But Dante's Size alone puts gives him the edge over David Carr. Dante can have a LB around is waist, and a DB on his left arm, and still get the ball to the open reciever 50yrds down the field. You get a LB withing 3 yards of Carr......... well, let me stop there.

David & Dante are both going to need a strong willed coach, because that coach will have to be the leader from the sideline. Since we don't have a big mouth like Randy Moss, Kubiak may be the one, but from every thing I've heard, he's the quiet leader type........... will most likely need a field general, which up till now, neither Carr or Dante have shown to be.
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Word is Daunte wanted a $10 million raise from his $8 million salary. The boat incident probably would be an issue here too. I'd trade Carr for Culpepper straight up. However, this is almost guaranteed not to happen, Top 5 QB - injury - character questions - money demands - Golden Boy= no battle Red for Daunte.
One thing I have noticed is that the some of the guys that are being talked about being available are going to be because they want so much money where they are at that they may be shopped around. I don't tihnk the Texans want the big price tag.
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Dante positives - HUGE, throws a nice deep ball, has some wheels.

Dante negatives - Leadership, so so accuracy, just had the absolute worst knee injury, QB rating rapidly eroding before devastating injury, outplayed by Brad Johnson, possible character issues. Decision to ask for twice the $$ after all the above.

Too many negatives outweigh the positives. IMO, the best of Culpepper walked out the door when Carter & Moss did.
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Reports are the Vikings are shopping Culpepper and are asking for a 2nd round draft pick. The Vikings would eat his entire signing bonus in any trade so his current salary is very reasonable thru 2013.
Come on. You know that the Vikings won't settle for less than a 1st rounder plus. And they aren't going to eat (what $9 million?) the remaining bonus. Does anyone really believe that Brad Childress took this job so he could coach Brad Johnson?
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