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Old 02-13-2006   #1
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I'm interested to see who anyone thinks might or should be cap casualties. It's been pointed out to me that it is risky to let veterans go when they impact the leadership of a team, but sometimes a team has to make decisions that will help a team.

I think there a few needs that need to be addressed.

Walker/Payne/Johnson/Smith is too much money tied up in DTs when a switch to a 4-3 means only 2 can start. Johnson and Smith are the younger and healthier players so I don't think they go. Payne is only 31 and would provide a good 3rd DT. He's also more cap friendly and less injury prone. So...

Walker is signed through 2009. His accelerated cap hit would be $7.3 million. He is due for $5.8 this season. It would cost the Texans $1.5 million to cut him, but would definitely help out over the next 3 years.

Marcus Coleman lost his starting spot and probably a lot of supporters with his lackluster play. He made mental mistakes and showed a lack of effort at many times. He's signed though 2007. His accelerated cap hit would be $2.5 million against a salary of $3 million. It's a no brainer when you save money.

Steve Mckinney doesn't need to necessarily get cut unless he refuses to renegotiate. He's in the last year of the contract that is due to pay him $4.7 million this season. His allocated bonus is $800k so it would save the team almost $4 million to release him. $4 million a year could get the team LeCharles Bentley. Hmm...I'd rather go that route. I think they can restructure, keep him and still save the $4 million.

Todd Wade is due a ton of money over the next 4 years. No really, if you weigh it out it equals 2000 lbs. Can he handle a regular zone blocking scheme? He struggled a lot last season and I think the team would be much better served looking to the draft for a starting RT. His accelerated cap hit would be $6.7 million. He is due $5.1 this season and who knows how much more the following. It would cost $1.6 million to release him and the team would get better.

With those 4 changes the Texans save about a million and a half this season. Now, if they wait until after June 1 for Walker and Wade they could push $7 million to next season's salary cap...hmmm...possibly no cap next year. You might see a lot of June 1 cuts this year if they can push half the cap hits onto 2007. If the Texans save $8 million off that cap to add to the $9 they have available now they could look to add a LeCharles Bentley and a Chris Hope possibly.
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if i was on the texans squad, i'd take less money this year to be able to play under the superb new coaching staff. Esp. if i was on offense.
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Marcus Coleman should be gone, not so much as a cap casualty but because he quit on the team and isn't worth the money we're paying him, and getting rid of him frees up $500k against the cap. I could see Walker or Payne going since we have $15+ million against the cap tied up in four DTs. Cutting Walker costs us $1.5 million while cutting Payne saves us $540k, so Payne would be the more likely candidate there, although outside of salary considerations I'd rather see Walker leave. Steve McKinney needs to take a serious pay cut or he's gone. I had heard a while ago he said he would take a pay cut, but on the radio this morning they said he wouldn't take a pay cut. Either way, if we cut him he gets paid nothing for this year and it saves us $3.9 million against the cap, so we have some pretty good leverage to negotiate a salary cut with him, not to mention he didn't play very well last year. If he doesn't want to cut his salary at least in half, then cut/trade him. I wish we could get rid of Wade and I don't want him to be playing next year (the guys on 610 this morning agreed with that point) but he is real expensive to get rid of so we probably can't cut him and hope he takes a pay cut, but I don't know if he will. That said, we could possibly package Steve McKinney, Marcus Coleman, and Seth Payne/Gary Walker to a team for a 5th round pick, and I would definitely take that rather than cutting them and getting nothing like we did with Sharper, Glenn, and Foreman last year. However, with their high base salaries I'm not sure someone would take all three of them, but we can hope.
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cap casualties are going to be coleman, mckinney(if he won't restructure) and weigert (if he won't restructure)

trades will likely come from gary walker and peek(restricted free agent but what will likely happen is we'll offer him enough to get atleast a 3rd round pick compensation for him)...payne is another option...one teams like new england, pittsburgh, and miami wouldn't mind looking at...gary walker though is probably our best option to trade...before we re-signed him baltimore was looking hard at him...cleveland needs quality people as well as arizona...peek is probably going to get attention from the new teams running the 3-4 defense...i could see san fran, cleveland, miami, and oakland taking a long look at him

i know peek is a fan favorite...heck he's one of my favorite players but he simply does not fit the 4-3 defense...he doesn't have the coverage skills to be a linebacker and he doesn't have the size to be a DE...remember he has problems keeping his weight around 250...he showed up the OTA's this past year at 260lbs and by the end of the season he was almost to 245lb again...if he could show the ability to cover in pass he would be a great strongside linebacker
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Mork I like your plan there are a couple of guys of other guys that would be gone also, but that was discussed on our FA thread. Walker, Wade, Weigert, and McKinney have to be restructured or let go. Save Weigert because he can mentor a rookie getting ready to take his job. McKinney said on 610 after the season ended that he was willing to restructure, but not take a pay cut, so either he does not understand or he wants to go play for another team. Either way no big problem. One thing that is a must is Coleman has to go, his apathy can no longer poison the team.

Keyfro dont see Peek going anywhere this year. We need all the athletes we can use on defense. He showed up at OTA's at 260 and they wanted him to drop a little, he ended the year at 248 which if he goes to 260 again and ends the year about the same as a pass rush specialist or weakside pass rusher i have no problem with that.

TexanBacker your avatar is a big need for us, and if we are smart and want to turn this team around quickly he would go a long way to doing that.
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I would say that Walker and Wade could definetely be cap casualties. To be honest I think we could unload them and come off way better in a trade. Look at Arizona as a possible trade partner. They need help on both lines and their running game. If we give them Walker and Weigart we would actually save maybe 1.5 to 2 mill. as opposed to keeping them. You want to make it enticing for Arizona throw in Morency. (As much as I might like this guys potential he said himself that if the Texans got Bush he would ask for a trade. I'm not saying the Texans will get Bush, but Morrency's comment just struck the wrong nerve with me.) We could get help in our wide receiver corps. and another player or maybe a pick next year. I think the Texans are in a great position to improve this yr. this is just one scenario where they could come out on top. I'm sure they can manage to unload cap space without many problems.
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Mork I like your plan there are a couple of guys of other guys that would be gone also, but that was discussed on our FA thread. Walker, Wade, Weigert, and McKinney have to be restructured or let go. Save Weigert because he can mentor a rookie getting ready to take his job. McKinney said on 610 after the season ended that he was willing to restructure, but not take a pay cut, so either he does not understand or he wants to go play for another team. Either way no big problem. One thing that is a must is Coleman has to go, his apathy can no longer poison the team.

Keyfro dont see Peek going anywhere this year. We need all the athletes we can use on defense. He showed up at OTA's at 260 and they wanted him to drop a little, he ended the year at 248 which if he goes to 260 again and ends the year about the same as a pass rush specialist or weakside pass rusher i have no problem with that.

TexanBacker your avatar is a big need for us, and if we are smart and want to turn this team around quickly he would go a long way to doing that.
Do you have a link to that FA thread?
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you know dat boy I like your idea somewhat. Maybe a package deal of our 5th, Walker, McKinney, Wade for their 4th and Bryant Johnson. I would take that trade anyday, not sure they would want the money that would be tied up in that deal though. http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zon...ad.php?t=16789 here ya go dat boy
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I hope we can clear up some more space. Especially on the OLine. We pay our OLine way too much for the product they put on the field. And if we can clear up some of money, we can afford to bring in a Bentley. We have some big holes that need to be fixed before we go into the draft.
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TexanBacker your avatar is a big need for us, and if we are smart and want to turn this team around quickly he would go a long way to doing that.

Alright, I am not really educated on some of the guys in the draft. Who is the player in his avatar.
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Thanks, I just think that our team can manuever our personnel to improve alot this yr. more than we could expect and free up or use the cap more efficiently. However your deal sounds real good too, I think I would pull the trigger on that deal as well.
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If McKinney is willing to renegotiate, but not take a pay cut, they could spread what is due to him out over 3 years and give him a little bigger bonus.

Give him $6 million over 3 years and a $2.1 million signing bonus.
2006 - $900,000 salary $700,000 bonus + $800 from last contract
2007 - $1.3 million salary $700,000 bonus
2008 - $1.7 million salary $700,000 bonus

Chances are slim that after this year or if he was cut that he would get a contract for anything more than the vet minimum at this time. He wouldn't get a signing bonus, so if he didn't make the team he would have only the $800k he got when we cut him. With this renegotiated contract he would still get that $800 and then get at least a guaranteed $2.1 million which could be as good as he could get on the free market. It still saves the Texans $2.2 million this season.

I think he could still be a valuable part on the line. I'd prefer him at guard and let either Hodgden take over or draft someone like Mangold or Eslinger.
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It is Mario Williams stud DE from NC State. 6'6" 285-290 compared to Ju Pep. Has played DT, DE, and OLB for NC State through his career there. He is a horse the kind I want taking blocking away from Peek, Babin, and Orr so they can blitz and rush freely.
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I hope we can clear up some more space. Especially on the OLine. We pay our OLine way too much for the product they put on the field. And if we can clear up some of money, we can afford to bring in a Bentley. We have some big holes that need to be fixed before we go into the draft.
Bringing in Bentley is enticing, but I would rather go with Enslinger. If we can get him, because Bentley is very expensive, we already have a serviceable center, and Enslayer fits the Zone Blocking scheme well. Also they can both play guard. The main reason I wouldn't go after Bentley is because while he may be an upgrade. He might not be the best money spent at this point.
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It's Mario Williams, DE extraordinaire from North Carolina St.

Dude's a monster. He'd be our Dwight Freeney, Julius Peppers, Jevon Kearse.


The only thing I wonder about trading guys like Wade/Walker is if their salaries are bad enough to keep another team away. The Texans pay the bonus, but the Cards would still be on the books for a lot. At least they could dump them for free if they didn't live up to the billing. Plus, as we found with Sharper and the Eagles will find with T.O. If teams know we want to get rid of someone and will release them outright, it's stupid to trade for them unless you are afraid someone else will sign them first. We're the only team dumb enough to do that lately when we traded for Buchanon. They were going to let him go, but we thought Washington would grab him first or beat us to a trade. Oh well, if we can trade them and get a couple of late draft picks that can be used to move up even, the more the merrier.
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Now see dat boy, I feel the exact opposite on that. I think Bentley at G fits the zone scheme and he brings a toughness to the line. Which means we can get Eslinger or Mangold and they are there to replace Weigert if need be or help out Hogdon who got injured after a couple of games.
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Now see dat boy, I feel the exact opposite on that. I think Bentley at G fits the zone scheme and he brings a toughness to the line. Which means we can get Eslinger or Mangold and they are there to replace Weigert if need be or help out Hogdon who got injured after a couple of games.
If he was brought in to play guard I would have no problem with that, and if we were able to get Enslayer or mangold. I would probably be ecstatic. I was saying that because I've heard alot of talk about him coming in to play center. Thinking about it, if he did come in though I think I would rather get Setterstorm to play guard opposite of him. I think that would really balance our line out.
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If he was brought in to play guard I would have no problem with that, and if we were able to get Enslayer or mangold. I would probably be ecstatic. I was saying that because I've heard alot of talk about him coming in to play center. Thinking about it, if he did come in though I think I would rather get Setterstorm to play guard opposite of him. I think that would really balance our line out.
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It's Mario Williams, DE extraordinaire from North Carolina St.

Dude's a monster. He'd be our Dwight Freeney, Julius Peppers, Jevon Kearse.


The only thing I wonder about trading guys like Wade/Walker is if their salaries are bad enough to keep another team away. The Texans pay the bonus, but the Cards would still be on the books for a lot. At least they could dump them for free if they didn't live up to the billing. Plus, as we found with Sharper and the Eagles will find with T.O. If teams know we want to get rid of someone and will release them outright, it's stupid to trade for them unless you are afraid someone else will sign them first. We're the only team dumb enough to do that lately when we traded for Buchanon. They were going to let him go, but we thought Washington would grab him first or beat us to a trade. Oh well, if we can trade them and get a couple of late draft picks that can be used to move up even, the more the merrier.
See I think the situation would be different, because shopping a guy would be to our advantage. We don't have to get rid of them they could still play a significant role on our team. Sharper wanted out as did T.O. so with the guys we would shop our situation wouldn't be the same.
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