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Round 1

1. Houston- Reggie Bush, RB USC
2. New Orleans- Matt Leinart, QB USC
3. Tennessee- Vince Young, QB Texas
4. NY Jets- D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT Virginia
5. Green Bay- Mario Williams, DE NC State
6. Oakland- AJ Hawk, OLB Ohio State
7. San Francisco- Tye Hill, CB Clemson
8. Buffalo- Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon
9. Detroit- Chad Greenway, OLB Iowa
10. Arizona- Michael Huff, DB Texas
11. St.Louis- Vernon Davis, TE Maryland
12. Cleveland- Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio State
13. Baltimore- DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
14. Philadelphia- Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
15. Atlanta- Jimmy Williams, CB VaTech
16. Miami- Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
17. Minnesota- Bobby Carpenter, OLB Ohio State
18. Dallas- Marcus McNeill, OT Auburn
19. San Diego- DeMeco Ryans, ILB Alabama
20. Kansas City- Jonathan Scott, OT Texas
21. New England- LenDale White, RB USC
22. Denver(f/Was)- Brodrick Bunkley, DT Florida State
23. Tampa Bay- Ernie Sims, OLB Florida State
24. Cincinnati- Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
25. NY Giants- Ashton Youboty, CB Ohio State
26. Chicago- Anthony Fasano, TE Notre Dame
27. Carolina- Claude Wroten, DT LSU
28. Jacksonville- Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota
29. Denver- Darnell Bing, S USC
30. Indianapolis- Brian Calhoun, RB Wisconsin
31. Seattle- Jonathan McCargo, DT NC State
32. Pittsburgh- Chad Jackson, WR Florida

Round 2

33. Houston- Eric Winston, OT Miami
34. New Orleans- D'Qwell Jackson, MLB Maryland
35. NY Jets- Manny Lawson, DE/OLB NC State
36. Green Bay- Nick Mangold, C Ohio State
37. San Francisco- Ko Simpson, FS South Carolina
38. Oakland- Gabe Watson, DT Michigan
39. Tennessee- Winston Justice, OT USC
40. Detroit- Darryl Tapp, DE VaTech
41. Arizona- Daryn Colledge, OT Boise State
42. Buffalo- Maurice Stovall, WR Notre Dame
43. Cleveland- Kamerion Wimbley, OLB Florida State
44. Baltimore- Kelly Jennings, CB Miami
45. Philadelphia- Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
46. St.Louis- Thomas Howard, OLB UTEP
47. Atlanta- Daniel Bullocks, S Nebraska
48. Minnesota- Leonard Pope, TE Georgia
49. Dallas- Donte Whitner, S Ohio State
50. San Diego- Charles Gordon, CB Kansas
51. Miami- Cedric Griffin, CB Texas
52. Kansas City- Sinorice Moss, WR Miami
53. New England- Alan Zemaitis, CB Penn State
54. Washington- Abdul Hodge, MLB Iowa
55. Tampa Bay- Stanley McClover, DE Auburn
56. Carolina- Derek Hagan, WR Arizona State
57. Chicago- Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida State
58. Cincinnati- Jonathan Lewis, DT VaTech
59. NY Giants- Jeremy Trueblood, OT Boston College
60. Jacksonville- DeMario Minter, CB Texas
61. Denver- Parys Haralson, DE Tennessee
62. Indianapolis- Davin Joseph, OG Oklahoma
63. Seattle- Joseph Addai, RB LSU
64. Pittsburgh- Gerald Riggs Jr, RB Tennessee

Round 3

65. Houston- Elvis Dumervil, DE Louisville
66. Houston(f/NO)- Mark Setterstrom, OG Minnesota
67. Green Bay- Charles Spencer, OG Pittsburgh
68. San Francisco- Dominique Byrd, TE USC
69. Oakland- Anthony Smith, S Syracuse
70. Buffalo(f/Ten)- Dee Webb, CB Florida
71. NY Jets- Rob Sims, OG Ohio State
72. Arizona- Babatunde Oshinowo, DT Stanford
73. Buffalo- Andrew Whitworth, LT LSU
74. Detroit- Ryan O'Callaghan, OT California
75. New England(f/Bal)- Kai Parham, ILB Virginia
76. Philadelphia- Jesse Mahelona, DT Tennessee
77. St.Louis- Jonathan Joseph, CB South Carolina
78. Cleveland- Max Jean-Gilles, OG Georgia
79. Atlanta- Mark Anderson, DE Alabama
80. Dallas- Taitusi Lutui, OG USC
81. San Diego- Jahmile Addae, S WVU
82. Miami- Rocky McIntosh, OLB Miami
83. Minnesota- Maurice Drew, RB UCLA
84. Kansas City- Charlie Whitehurst, CB Clemson
85. New England- Cory Rodgers, WR TCU
86. Washington- Greg Blue, SS Georgia
87. Tampa Bay- Travis Wilson, WR Oklahoma
88. Chicago- Pat Watkins, S Florida State
89. Carolina- Nate Salley, S Ohio State
90. Cincinnati- Dwayne Slay, SS Texas Tech
91. NY Giants- Orien Harris, DT Miami
92. Jacksonville- Jason Allen, CB Tennessee
93. Denver- Demetrius Williams, WR Oregon
94. Indianapolis- Kevin Simon, OLB Tennessee
95. Seattle- Kevin Boothe, OG Cornell
96. Pittsburgh- Rod Wright, DE Texas

Round 4

97. Houston- Will Blackmon, CB Boston College
98. New Orleans- David Pittman, CB Northwestern State
99. Green Bay- Kyle Williams, DT LSU
100. Oakland- AJ Nicholson, OLB Florida State
101. San Francisco- Victor Adeyanju, DE Indiana
102. Tennessee- Ryan Cook, C New Mexico
103. NY Jets- Brody Croyle, QB Alabama
104. Buffalo- Bernard Pollard, S Purdue
105. New England(f/Det)- Chris Gocong, ILB Cal Poly
106. Arizona- TJ Williams, TE NC State
107. St.Louis- Frostee Rucker, DE USC
108. Cleveland- Ray Edwards, DE Purdue
109. Baltimore- Dusty Dvoracek, DT Oklahoma
110. Philadelphia- Devin Hester, ATH Miami
111. Atlanta- Joe Toledo, OT Washington
112. Miami- Skyler Green, WR LSU
113. Minnesota- Jason Spitz, OG Louisville
114. Philadelphia(f/Dal)- Anthony Schlegel, MLB Ohio State
115. San Diego- Jabari Levey, OT South Carolina
116. NY Jets(f/KC)- Terrence Whitehead, RB Oregon
117. New England- Danieal Manning, CB Abilene-Christian
118. Denver(f/Wash)- Greg Eslinger, C Minnesota
119. Tampa Bay- Richard Marshall, CB Fresno State
120. Cincinnati- Joel Klopfenstein, TE Colorado
121. NY Giants- Greg Lee, WR Pittsburgh
122. Chicago- Martin Nance, WR Miami(OH)
123. Carolina- Taurean Henderson, RB Texas Tech
124. Jacksonville- Brandon Williams, WR Wisconsin
125. Denver- Darrell Hackney, QB UAB
126. Philadelphia(f/Indy)- Eric Henderson, DE Georgia Tech
127. Seattle- Matt Bernstein, FB Wisconsin
128. Pittsburgh- Michael Robinson, ATH Penn State

Round 5

129. Houston- Mike Hass, WR Oregon State
130. New Orleans- Montavious Stanley, DT Louisville
131. Green Bay- Lawrence Vickers, FB Colorado
132. NY Jets- Greg Jennings, WR Western Michigan
133. Tennessee- Darrell Hunter, CB Miami(OH)
134. San Francisco- Ryan LaCasse, OLB Syracuse
135. New England(f/Oak)- Tim Dobbins, ILB Iowa State
136. Buffalo- Andre Hall, RB South Florida
137. Detroit- Drew Olson, QB UCLA
138. Arizona- Omar Jacobs, QB Bowling Green
139. St.Louis- Fred Matua, OG USC
140. Cleveland- Steve Fifita, NT Utah
141. Baltimore- Freddie Roach, MLB Alabama
142. Philadelphia- Cedric Humes, RB VaTech
143. Atlanta- Jerome Harrison, RB Washington State
144. Miami- Manuel Wright, DT USC (Supplemental Draft)
145. Minnesota- Clint Ingram, OLB Nebraska
146. Dallas- Jason Avant, WR Michigan
147. San Diego- JD Runnels, FB Oklahoma
148. Kansas City- James Wyche, DE Syracuse
149. Cleveland(f/NE)- Dale Robinson, ILB Arizona State
150. Washington- Cody Douglas, OG Tennessee
151. Tampa Bay- Paul McQuistan, OT Weber State
152. Cincinnati- Manase Hopoi, DT Washington
153. NY Giants- Travis Williams, OLB Auburn
154. Chicago- Spencer Havner, OLB UCLA
155. Carolina- Mike Degory, C Florida
156. Jacksonville- Brian Iwuh, OLB Colorado
157. Denver- Mike Bell, RB Arizona
158. Indianapolis- Willie Evans, DE Mississippi State
159. Seattle- Jovon Bouknight, WR Wyoming
160. Pittsburgh- Roman Harper, S Alabama

Round 6

161. Houston- Tim Day, TE Oregon
162. New Orleans- Jon Alston, OLB Stanford
163. Tennessee- Hank Baskett, WR New Mexico
164. NY Jets- LeKevin Smith, DT Nebraska
165. Green Bay- DonTrell Moore, RB New Mexico
166. Oakland- Dan Stevenson, OG Notre Dame
167. San Francisco- Garrett Mills, FB Tulsa
168. Buffalo- Mike Kudla, DE Ohio State
169. Detroit- Michael Toudouze, OT TCU
170. Arizona- Gerris Wilkinson, LB Georgia Tech
171. St.Louis- Tim McGarigle, MLB Northwestern
172. Cleveland- Jonathan Orr, WR Wisconsin
173. Baltimore- Bruce Gradkowski, QB Toledo
174. Dallas(f/Phi)- Gerrick McPhearson, CB Maryland
175. Atlanta- Keon Jackson, S Toledo
176. San Diego(f/Mia)- Cameron Vaughn, ILB LSU
177. San Diego(f/Min)- Todd Watkins, WR BYU
178. Kansas City(f/Dal)- Na'Shan Goddard, OG South Carolina
179. San Diego- Brett Basanez, QB Northwestern
180. Kansas City- Tim Jennings, CB Georgia
181. New England- Willie Reid, WR Florida State
182. Washington- Johnny Jolly, DT Texas A&M
183. San Francisco(f/TB)- Reggie McNeal, ATH Texas A&M
184. Cincinnati- Paul Pinegar, QB Fresno State
185. NY Giants- Marcus Hudson, DB NC State
186. Chicago- Adam Stenavich, OT Michigan
187. Washington(f/Car)- Charles Sharon, WR Bowling Green
188. Jacksonville- Melvin Oliver, DE LSU
189. Denver- James Anderson, OLB VaTech
190. Indianapolis- Terna Nande, OLB Miami(OH)
191. Seattle- Quincy Butler, CB TCU
192. Pittsburgh- Marvin Philip, C California

Round 7

193. Houston- Donovan Raiola, C Wisconsin
194. Miami(f/NO)- Gerald Anderson, DT Georgia
195. Tennessee- Brandon Johnson, OLB Louisville
196. NY Jets- Anwar Phillips, CB Penn State
197. Green Bay- Trent Bray, OLB Oregon State
198. Oakland- Marcus Maxey, CB Miami
199. San Francisco- Omar Gaither, OLB Tennessee
200. Buffalo- Mark LeVoir, OT Notre Dame
201. Detroit- Leon Washington, RB Florida State
202. Arizona- Damien Rhodes, RB Syracuse
203. St.Louis- Jarvis Herring, S Florida
204. Cleveland- Travis Leffew, OT Louisville
205. Baltimore- Antarrious Williams, OLB Auburn
206. Philadelphia- Scott Paxson, DT Penn State
207. Atlanta- David Anderson, WR Colorado State
208. Miami- Aaron Harris, MLB Texas
209. Minnesota- DJ Shockley, QB Georgia
210. Dallas- Nick Leaders, DE Iowa State
211. San Diego- Will Allen, OG Texas
212. Kansas City- Justin Holland, QB Colorado State
213. New England- Wali Lundy, RB Virginia
214. Washington- Matt Lentz, OG Michigan
215. Tampa Bay- Rashad Butler, OT Miami
216. Cincinnati- Jamar Williams, OLB Arizona State
217. NY Giants- Jerious Norwood, RB Mississippi State
218. Chicago- Troy Bienemann, TE Washington State
219. Carolina- Anthony Mix, WR Auburn
220. Jacksonville- Randy Hand, OT Florida
221. Carolina(f/Den)- Albert Toeaina, OT Tennessee
222. Indianapolis- Pat Ross, C Boston College
223. Seattle- Tony Palmer, OG Missouri
224. Pittsburgh- Tyler Everett, CB Ohio State
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Team by team selections....

AFC EAST

New York Jets

4. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT Virginia
35. Manny Lawson, DE/OLB NC State
71. Rob Sims, OG Ohio State
103. Brodie Croyle, QB Alabama
116. Terrence Whitehead, RB Oregon
132. Greg Jennings, WR Western Michigan
164. LeKevin Smith, DT Nebraska
196. Anwar Phillips, CB Penn State

Buffalo Bills

8. Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon
42. Maurice Stovall, WR Notre Dame
70. (f/Ten)- Dee Webb, CB Florida
73. Andrew Whitworth, OT LSU
104. Bernard Pollard, SS Purdue
136. Andre Hall, RB South Florida
168. Mike Kudla, DE Ohio State
200. Mark LeVoir, OT Notre Dame

Miami Dolphins

16. Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
51. Cedric Griffin, CB Texas
82. Rocky McIntosh, OLB Miami
112. Skyler Green, WR LSU
144. Manuel Wright, DT USC (Supplemental Draft)
194. Gerald Anderson, NT Georgia
208. Aaron Harris, MLB Texas

New England Patriots

21. LenDale White, RB USC
53. Alan Zemaitis, CB Penn State
75. (f/Bal)- Kai Parham, ILB Virginia
85. Cory Rodgers, WR TCU
105. Chris Gocong, LB Cal Poly
117. Danieal Manning, DB Abilene Christrine
135. Tim Dobbins, LB Iowa St.
181. Willie Reid, WR Florida State
213. Wali Lundy, RB Virginia

AFC NORTH

Cleveland Browns

12. Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio State
43. Kamerion Wimbley, OLB Florida State
78. Max Jean-Gilles, OG Georgia
108. Ray Edwards, DE Purdue
140. Steve Fifita, DT Utah
149. Dale Robinson, ILB Arizona State
172. Jonathan Orr, WR Wisconsin
204. Travis Leffew, OT Louisville

Baltimore Ravens

13. DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
44. Kelly Jennings, CB Miami
109. Dusty Dvoracek, DT Oklahoma
141. Freddie Roach, LB Alabama
173. Bruce Gradkowski, QB Toledo
205. Antarrious Williams, OLB Auburn

Cincinnati Bengals

24. Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
58. Jonathan Lewis, DT VaTech
90. Dwayne Slay, SS Texas Tech
120. Joel Klopfenstein, TE Colorado St.
152. Manase Hopoi, DT Washington
184. Paul Pinegar, QB Fresno State
216. Jamar Williams, OLB Arizona State

Pittsburgh Steelers

32. Chad Jackson, WR Florida
64. Gerald Riggs Jr, RB Tennessee
96. Rod Wright, DE Texas
128. Michael Robinson, ATH Penn St.
160. Roman Harper, S Alabama
192. Marvin Philip, C California
224. Tyler Everett, CB Ohio State

AFC SOUTH

Houston Texans

1. Reggie Bush, RB USC
33. Eric Winston, OT Miami
65. Elvis Dumervil, DE Louisville
66. (f/NO)- Mark Setterstrom, OG Minnesota
97. Will Blackmon CB Boston College
129. Mike Hass, WR Oregon St.
161. Tim Day, TE Oregon
193. Donovan Raiola, C Wisconsin


Tennessee Titans

3. Vince Young, QB Texas
39. Winston Justice, OT USC
102. Ryan Cook, C New Mexico
133. Darrel Hunter, CB Miami (OH)
163. Hank Baskett, WR New Mexico
195. Brandon Johnson, OLB Louisville

Jacksonville Jaguars

28. Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota
60. DeMario Minter, CB Texas
92. Jason Allen, CB Tennessee
124. Brandon Williams, WR Wisconsin
156. Brian Iwuh, OLB Colorado
188. Melvin Oliver, DE LSU
220. Randy Hand, OT Florida

Indianapolis Colts

30. Brian Calhoun, RB Wisconsin
62. Davin Joseph, OG Oklahoma
94. Kevin Simon, OLB Tennessee
158. Willie Evans, DE Mississippi State
190. Terna Nande, OLB Miami(OH)
222. Pat Ross, C Boston College

AFC WEST

Oakland Raiders

6. AJ Hawk, OLB Ohio State
38. Gabe Watson, DT Michigan
69. Anthony Smith, S Syracuse
100. AJ Nicholson, OLB Florida St.
166. Dan Stevenson, OG Notre Dame
198. Marcus Maxey, CB Miami

San Diego Chargers

19. DeMeco Ryans, ILB Alabama
50. Charles Gordon, CB Kansas
81. Jahmile Addae, S WVU
115. Jabari Levey, OT South Carolina
147. JD Runnels, FB Oklahoma
176. Cameron Vaughn, ILB LSU
177. Todd Watkins, WR BYU
179. Brett Basanez, QB Northwestern
211. Will Allen, OG Texas

Kansas City Chiefs

20. Jonathan Scott, OT Texas
52. Sinorice Moss, WR Miami
84. Charlie Whitehurst, QB Clemson
148. James Wyche, DE Syracuse
178. Na'Shan Goddard, OG South Carolina
180. Tim Jennings, CB Georgia
212. Justin Holland, QB Colorado State

Denver Broncos

22. (f/Was)- Brodrick Bunkley, DT Florida State
29. Darnell Bing, S USC
61. Parys Haralson, DE Tennessee
93. Demetrius Williams, WR Oregon
118. Greg Eslinger, C Minnesota
125. Darrell Hackney, QB Alabama Birmingham
157. Mike Bell, RB Arizona
189. James Anderson, OLB VaTech

NFC EAST

Philadelphia Eagles

14. Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
45. Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
76. Jesse Mahelona, DT Tennessee
110. Devin Hester, ATH Miami
114. Anthony Schlegel, MLB Ohio St.
126. Eric Henderson, DE Georgia Tech
142. Cedric Humes, RB Virginia Tech
206. Scott Paxson, DT Penn State

Dallas Cowboys

18. Marcus McNeill, OT Auburn
49. Donte Whitner, S Ohio State
80. Taitusi Lutui, OG USC
146. Jason Avant, WR Michigan
174. Gerrick McPhearson, CB Maryland
210. Nick Leaders, DE Iowa State

Washington Redskins

54. Abdul Hodge, MLB Iowa
86. Greg Blue, SS Georgia
150. Cody Douglas, OG Tennessee
182. Johnny Jolly, DT Texas A&M
187. Charles Sharon, WR Bowling Green
214. Matt Lentz, OG Michigan

New York Giants

25. Ashton Youboty, CB Ohio State
59. Jeremy Trueblood, OT Boston College
91. Orien Harris, DT Miami
121. Greg Lee, WR Pittsburgh
153. Travis Williams, OLB Auburn
185. Marcus Hudson, DB NC State
217. Jerious Norwood, RB Mississippi State

NFC NORTH

Green Bay Packers

5. Mario Williams, DE NC State
36. Nick Mangold, C Ohio State
67. Charles Spencer, OG Pittsburgh
99. Kyle Williams, DT LSU
131. Lawrence Vickers, FB Colorado
165. DonTrell Moore, RB New Mexico
197. Trent Bray, OLB Oregon State

Detroit Lions

9. Chad Greenway, OLB Iowa
40. Darryl Tapp, DE VaTech
74. Ryan O'Callaghan, OT California
137. Drew Olsen, QB UCLA
169. Michael Toudouze, OT TCU
201. Leon Washington, RB Florida State

Minnesota Vikings

17. Bobby Carpenter, OLB Ohio State
48. Leonard Pope, TE Georgia
83. Maurice Drew, RB UCLA
113. Jason Spitz, OG Louisville
145. Clint Ingram, LB Oklahoma
209. DJ Shockley, QB Georgia

Chicago Bears

26. Anthony Fasano, TE Notre Dame
57. Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida State
88. Pat Watkins, S Florida State
122. Martin Nance, WR Miami (OH)
154. Spencer Havner, OLB UCLA
186. Adam Stenavich, OT Michigan
218. Troy Bienemann, TE Washington State

NFC SOUTH

New Orleans Saints

2. Matt Leinart, QB USC
34. D'Qwell Jackson, MLB Maryland
98. David Pittman, CB Northwestern State
130. Montavious Stanley, DT Louisville
162. Jon Alston, OLB Stanford

Atlanta Falcons

15. Jimmy Williams, CB VaTech
47. Daniel Bullocks, S Nebraska
79. Mark Anderson, DE Alabama
111. Joe Toledo, OT Washington
143. Jerome Harrison, RB Washington St.
175. Keon Jackson, S Toledo
207. David Anderson, WR Colorado State

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

23. Ernie Sims, OLB Florida State
55. Stanley McClover, DE Auburn
87. Travis Wilson, WR Oklahoma
119. Richard Marshall, CB Fresno St.
151. Paul McQuistan, OT Weber State
215. Rashad Butler, OT Miami

Carolina Panthers

27. Claude Wroten, DT LSU
56. Derek Hagan, WR Arizona State
89. Nate Salley, S Ohio State
123. Taurean Henderson, RB Texas Tech
155. Mike Degory, C Florida
219. Anthony Mix, WR Auburn
221. Albert Toeaina, OT Tennessee

NFC WEST

San Francisco 49ers

7. Tye Hill, CB Clemson
37. Ko Simpson, FS South Carolina
68. Dominique Byrd, TE USC
101. Victor Adeyanju, DE Indiana
134. Ryan LaCasse, DE/OLB Syracuse
167. Garrett Mills, FB Tulsa
183. Reggie McNeal, ATH Texas A&M
199. Omar Gaither, OLB Tennessee

Arizona Cardinals

10. Michael Huff, DB Texas
41. Daryn Colledge, OT Boise State
72. Babatunde Oshinowo, DT Stanford
106. TJ Williams, TE North Carolina St.
138. Omar Jacobs, QB Bowling Green
170. Gerris Wilkinson, OLB Georgia Tech
202. Damien Rhodes, RB Syracuse

St. Louis Rams

11. Vernon Davis, TE Maryland
46. Thomas Howard, OLB UTEP
77. Jonathan Joseph, CB South Carolina
107. Frostee Rucker, DE USC
139. Fred Matua, OG USC
171. Tim McGarigle, MLB Northwestern
203. Jarvis Herring, S Florida

Seattle Seahawks

31. Jonathan McCargo, DT NC State
63. Joseph Addai, RB LSU
95. Kevin Boothe, OG Cornell
127. Matt Bernstein, FB Wisconsin
159. Jovon Bouknight, WR Wyoming
191. Quincy Butler, CB TCU
223. Tony Palmer, OG Missouri
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By the way, a quote from our board that Tommy Lawlor heard on the radio concerning Casserly and the Texans....

I heard Texans GM Charley Casserly on the radio this morning. He said that he's already gotten a call from one team inquiring about the #1 pick. He had promised the team not to mention their name. I found this interesting because normally teams will wait to open these types of talks at the Combine. Maybe someone was just getting idea of what the pick would cost or maybe a team was really interested and wanted to get the ball rolling early.

Charley did say he would trade the pick for the right offer. One of the keys would be to only fall back a few spots. I don't think he'd want to go below pick 6, but that's just a guess on my part.
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Wow if Tennessee gets Winston Justice in the second I would be amazed. With his athleticism I would almost want a second trade down to 13-18 and grab him plus an extra 2nd. I don't know what the local o-line gurus think about Justice but if he could net an extra 2nd it might be worth it.
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NDIRISH,Why Kiwa over Hali for the birds?
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NDIRISH,Why Kiwa over Hali for the birds?
Whoa, pulling out my EMB name...

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I think Hali fits what we like at RDE more to be honest however, I don't see him being worth the 14th pick. We typically go for the Jerome McDougle, Hugh Douglas types. Kiwi obviously isn't that. So, the reason would simply be that Mathias is more talented with better upside. Could eventually take over for Kearse on the left side.
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Wow if Tennessee gets Winston Justice in the second I would be amazed. With his athleticism I would almost want a second trade down to 13-18 and grab him plus an extra 2nd. I don't know what the local o-line gurus think about Justice but if he could net an extra 2nd it might be worth it.
I actually thought Justice looked bad at times this season at RT, but only because he looks to be better fit for LT. That's a good reason to look rough.

I think he needs to get and play stronger at the next level. Not a really physical guy. Not much of a hand punch. In the run game I see him as a guy who will need to work on awareness in the open field when trying to locate defenders. Often I thought he looked confused at the second level. I like my OLine with a nasty streak. I haven't seen that out of Winston.

Much rather have Eric Winston then Winston Justice if I were the Texans. Just my opinion though.
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Whoa, pulling out my EMB name...

Who are ya?

I think Hali fits what we like at RDE more to be honest however, I don't see him being worth the 14th pick. We typically go for the Jerome McDougle, Hugh Douglas types. Kiwi obviously isn't that. So, the reason would simply be that Mathias is more talented with better upside. Could eventually take over for Kearse on the left side.
Just read, but never post on the EMB, thought I am an Eagles fan in Pa. This board is much more friendly, so I hang out here. No TATERS over here. Texas friendly is a fact. Thanks for your insight, and hang around here, they have some good people.
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your work on this board alone is worth the $5

one thing that really strikes me are two things, the top of the board is light, meaning top 10 picks are worth their weight in gold and two there is alot of talent spread even into the 5th round, maybe not starter material but future players in the league.

makes the option of trading down for the Texans tempting but also dangerous
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that'd be a helluva draft for houston. and a great one for new england, too
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your work on this board alone is worth the $5

one thing that really strikes me are two things, the top of the board is light, meaning top 10 picks are worth their weight in gold and two there is alot of talent spread even into the 5th round, maybe not starter material but future players in the league.

makes the option of trading down for the Texans tempting but also dangerous
Thanks for the kind words.

I've heard alot of people say the Texans need to rebuild. I disagree heavily.

I look at that team and you have a promising young QB, a solid RB, a future stud at WR, a dynamic young return specialist. Add a solid offensive line and another playmaker to the offense and it's playoff quality once the chemistry gets going in my opinion.

The defense is a question mark for me. We'll need to see the shakeout once it goes into a 43. Obviously the DT position is strong. Need to add some pass rushers at DE although, I do think Babin and Peek could edgerush while having Gary Walker as a run stopping LDE. I would imagine Kailee Wong would play MIKE, Greenwood at WIL and Orr/Peek at SAM? I can't say I'm really familiar with the LB crew as much as I should be. Dunta is a promising young player. Add some strength to that secondary.

I am of the firm belief that the Texans could have a .500 team with good offseason moves. That may seem overly optimistic, but I just remember what they were a few years ago before the bottom out. 8-8 in the AFC South is impressive for a young team in my opinion. It's not as if they're in the NFC North.
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that'd be a helluva draft for houston. and a great one for new england, too
How did you feel about the Fins draft? I may be in the minority, but I'd go something other then QB in the 1st round if I were the Dolphins. Perhaps get myself a player like Tye Hill or Jimmy Williams if I could. Address QB in free agency. Select a LT to get Damien McIntosh back on the bench where he belongs if there was a player there I liked.

Just not a big fan of Jay Cutler to be honest. Think the kid is a bit...well....whiny.
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By the way, a quote from our board that Tommy Lawlor heard on the radio concerning Casserly and the Texans....

I heard Texans GM Charley Casserly on the radio this morning. He said that he's already gotten a call from one team inquiring about the #1 pick. He had promised the team not to mention their name. I found this interesting because normally teams will wait to open these types of talks at the Combine. Maybe someone was just getting idea of what the pick would cost or maybe a team was really interested and wanted to get the ball rolling early.

Charley did say he would trade the pick for the right offer. One of the keys would be to only fall back a few spots. I don't think he'd want to go below pick 6, but that's just a guess on my part.
I heard that also.
I think it would be hard to trade down more than 5 spots because of the cost to the other team (basically all their picks plus picks next year according to the draft point chart). But, if I didn't have a player targeted (Brick/Mario/Hawk) in that range, I would keep moving down. We have enough holes to get value anywhere in the first - and a few more 2nd round picks (and 3rds or future picks) would help fill a few of the holes.

Personally, I would love to get Huff in the 10-15 range. If he is gone, then that stud TE, Davis. Otherwise I would move down to the bottom of the first if I could. After the top 10 (and Huff/Davis), I would prefer to see who drops and snap them up around pick 25 - CB/S/DE/LB.

Denver's 22 & 29 are close to equal value for the 7th or 8th pick. If we dealt down to the 4-10, then add or get picks to make it even, I would love to do that. (even with the top 10 and Huff/Davis gone, there will be talent there)
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The way I see it for the Texans they're going to want to come away with Bush, Williams or Ferguson. Either of those 3 give them an elite player that they could really use. I wrote an article for our site about Reggie Bush and marketing. I'll post it here.
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Article I wrote for our site a while back....

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When talking around the water cooler with your buddies about what player your local team will draft this coming April one thing I wanted to point out to keep in mind while looking over 40 times, bench reps and your team's specific needs is that the NFL is a business and money is the bottom line in a league that has a total value of over 20 billion dollars. I'm talking about the marketability of player that's available and how that can effect how a team will look at a particular prospect. While talent and potential are two of the most important things to consider when evaluating an NFL prospect, while teams will look for that next stud to send them flying into the playoffs, they will also have to keep in mind that a certain player could put butts in the seats and jerseys on their fans backs.

Don't believe it has anything to do with it? Keep an open mind and think about it. In 2004 most would agree that the top three Quarterback prospects in the draft were Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning. All three of them were talented and if you asked 10 qualified people who the best of the three was you'd get a pretty equal number of votes for each player. One however, became worth it for the New York Giants to trade away two first round picks for. That player was Eli Manning. Now Eli was certainly a great QB at the collegiate level and had the pedigree to boot with a brother and father with NFL experience however, after watching all three prospects I couldn't say with a good conscience that Eli Manning was a full first round's pick more valuable then either player on skillset alone. Infact, I woudl have argued that he wasn't the best prospect of the three. In the media driven jungles of New York, Philadelphia and Washington high profile players become the faces of not only a football team, but an entire city. Some will say that the Giants were more inclined to Manning because of Ernie Accorsi's relationship with Archie Manning. Maybe so but, I've never had a family friend invest $50 million in me because my Dad let's them cheat in golf on Saturdays. The Giants secured themselves a Manning. The kid brother of NFL superstar Peyton Manning and the son of the heralded Archie Manning. The secured themselves the biggest name in the draft and whether or not Eli turns out to be a great player or not, they secured themselves at least the perception that "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree". Most of all, they excited a fan base in a city with a population of over 8 million people. 8 million potential fans that buy jerseys, season tickets, beer cozies, bumper stickers, shirts, and just about anything else with the Big Blue logo on it. They not only selected their future franchise QB but, a player who promotes himself by merely last name and family reputation alone. ESPN doesn't do specials on Ben and Ken Roethlisberger throwing the pigskin around on Sundays. They do however, fill your TV screen with Peyton, Eli and Archie reflecting on backyard BBQs around the family coffee table. Eli Manning was one of the more marketable players to enter the draft in years and the Giants pounced on him. Whether or not you think it was a great move to trade the picks they did for him is certainly a valid question however, you cannot question that Eli took a franchise that was in the basement and brought it to the forefront of the national media whether or not their record immediately reflected it.

Fast forward to the 2006 draft. This is a draft that will feature on of the most talented players to have ever played a snap of football at the collegiate level. He's electric, he's exciting, he's Reggie Bush. You here all of the comparisons. Sayers, Sweetness, Faulk, heck I'm pretty sure some of the Fresno State players may think he's Jesus Christ after the 500+ total yards he put up on them this season. My favorite quote about Reggie Bush was from Washington State Head Coach Bill Doba who said, "If you've got a linebacker covering him you might as well start singing their fight song." Bush isn't a RB, he's a weapon. He's agile, versatile and simply put, amazing. I'll stop there as you've heard enough about him this year I'm sure. That's my point actually. The media hype surround not only Reggie's amazing play but, USC's quest for a threepeat was overwhelming this year. ESPN had a daily segment on USC, an interactive television/web poll of the greatest teams in the history of the game and how they'd be smacked around by these Trojans, it was USCPN this year. Many argue that Ricky Williams had simliar hype entering the draft in 1999. I can't agree with that and don't think it's close in fact. USC hype is Reggie Bush hype and vice versa.

The team that selects Bush in April will have one of the most exciting players to ever touch a football on their team. They'll have lightning in a bottle. I'm a "point of attack" type of guy. Meaning, my belief is that you need to be solid on both sides of your line in order to win. While a player like D'Brickshaw Ferguson and his awesome pass protection would excite me, I would never be able to pass up on Bush. People don't buy offensive line jerseys, they buy Michael Vick jerseys. They'll buy Reggie Bush jerseys. They come to the games to see Peyton Manning. They'll buy season tickets to see Reggie Bush. Add all that talent to the marketing explosion he would create and he's a can't miss prospect. So, if a GM is willing to pass on a prospect with Hall of Fame potential and that can excite your fanbase (and their wallet hands) this coming April then so be it but, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be the GM to do it.

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Great insight,Matt. Very good mock for Texans....would like to get a LB somewhere in draft. We have alot of square pegs at LB that don't fit our round holes (4-3)
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How did you feel about the Fins draft? I may be in the minority, but I'd go something other then QB in the 1st round if I were the Dolphins. Perhaps get myself a player like Tye Hill or Jimmy Williams if I could. Address QB in free agency. Select a LT to get Damien McIntosh back on the bench where he belongs if there was a player there I liked.

Just not a big fan of Jay Cutler to be honest. Think the kid is a bit...well....whiny.
i'm tired of addressing QB in free agency. time to draft one. if cutler is there you take him (unless huff is there). tye hill is good, but he doesn't fit nick saban's brand of big physical corners at all. jimmy williams would be great, but antonio cromartie would be perfect. hope he's healthty. mcintosh sucks, and i'd have no problem starting a rookie LT over there. winston justice is a possibility (although it's tough to guage how he'd perform when moved over to the left side--still, miami has the best o-line coach in the league, i think he can coach him right). we drafted anthony alabi in the 5th round last year, and i think he can play, as reports are the staff likes him

how is cutler whiny?
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how is cutler whiny?
Nearly every Vanderbilt game I saw this season seemed to be a soap opera in regards to Jay and his parents, particularly his father. Last year his father apparently walked into the coach's office at Vandy and demanded that they stop running Jay so much because of a lack of protection on his offensive line. This year, they changed the offense and kept him in the pocket more. Jay actually sent in a request last year to the draft committee to see where he would be selected and was given a 4th or 5th round grade which is the only reason he stayed in school from reports I've heard from numberous sources. His father was shown whining and screaming constantly in games when Jay was hit or sacked and just seems to be a pompous ***. In the Florida game you can watch him taunting the crowd late in the game by doing the Gator Chomp at the crowd from his seat. Very mature for an Indiana State Trooper. Jay comes off as a clown to me at times. Just watching his Senior Bowl interview struck me funny. Seemed disengenuious during the interview. He just strikes me the wrong way at all times. I can't say I'd want him on my team. The last QB I got this feeling from was JP Losman.
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maybe i just missed him, but do you not have david thomas (TE Texas) making it before the supplimental picks? it's a little favoritism because they're texas guys, but i'd like to see thomas & dwayne slay here. they compare favorably to the styles of lynch & putzier, who are key assets in denver that kubiak's familiar with. great day for the texans though, despite me being an adamant trade downer, and great job putting it together.

also, very well written article. i truely hate that it's accurate because we saw last season that just because we've got 2 top three picks who sell jerseys, they alone doesnt fill the seats or quiet the boos on a losing team. i would like to point out however, that during the first couple seasons i actually did see lots of folks with boselli jerseys.

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Great insight,Matt. Very good mock for Texans....would like to get a LB somewhere in draft. We have alot of square pegs at LB that don't fit our round holes (4-3)
another reason to look more heavily at trading down. to find a starting lb (sims, carpenter, etc), we'd really need an available pick in the late first or early second rounds. something that would be difficult to do if the lone pick we have in that area is already spoken for (O-Line).
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while Bush is extremely marketable, there is no question that VY is even more so for the Houston Texans.
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