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Old 02-13-2006   #1
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Marc Vandermeer was on AM 1300 The Zone this morning in Austin talking with the hosts about the Texans. He stated that he has never seen such commotion and stress in the organization on what to do about Vince Young.

He estimated that 65-70% of the people throughout the organization want to draft VY. He stated that trading down is probably what will happen but that they are still considering taking VY and keeping both QB's while VY develops. It sounded as though Bush would be the 3rd option.

It sounds as though McNair is being realistic about the possibility of passing on VY and never living it down if he becomes a superstar. This could very well happen and it could be something that would haunt this organization for a long time.
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It sounds as though McNair is being realistic about the possibility of passing on VY and never living it down if he becomes a superstar. This could very well happen and it could be something that would haunt this organization for a long time.
The only way the franchise would be haunted for a long time is if Young becomes the Superstar and the Texans are still in the cellar. If the Texans move to the penthouse it won't matter what Young does. Houston has 5 million people now? I'm pretty sure out of that group the team can find enough Texans fans that won't care the Young was from Houston. It would be a great story, but those don't win fans in the long run. A winning team will get the fans and keep them in the seats.
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Marc Vandermeer was on AM 1300 The Zone this morning in Austin talking with the hosts about the Texans. He stated that he has never seen such commotion and stress in the organization on what to do about Vince Young.

He estimated that 65-70% of the people throughout the organization want to draft VY. He stated that trading down is probably what will happen but that they are still considering taking VY and keeping both QB's while VY develops. It sounded as though Bush would be the 3rd option.

It sounds as though McNair is being realistic about the possibility of passing on VY and never living it down if he becomes a superstar. This could very well happen and it could be something that would haunt this organization for a long time.
That pretty much goes against the grain to what he says on his and Richs' show here in Houston. Hmmmmm interesting.
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Ok, Houston went with Olajuwon who was the hometown guy. Portland went with Sam Bowie who was not hometown guy. I'm not sure where you were going with this. Both teams passed on Jordan. Houston did pretty well. Portland did not.
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Couldn't you take this as Young = Olajuwan (hometown connection) and Bush = Jordan (highly rated player in a position of team strength) just as easily?
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Marc Vandermeer was on AM 1300 The Zone this morning in Austin talking with the hosts about the Texans. He stated that he has never seen such commotion and stress in the organization on what to do about Vince Young.

He estimated that 65-70% of the people throughout the organization want to draft VY. He stated that trading down is probably what will happen but that they are still considering taking VY and keeping both QB's while VY develops. It sounded as though Bush would be the 3rd option.

It sounds as though McNair is being realistic about the possibility of passing on VY and never living it down if he becomes a superstar. This could very well happen and it could be something that would haunt this organization for a long time.
That is the first problem with this whole statement. He was in Austin talking with people there to get their opinions on Vince Young/David Carr, I wonder how that was supposed to turn out...

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Ok, Houston went with Olajuwon who was the hometown guy. Portland went with Sam Bowie who was not hometown guy. I'm not sure where you were going with this. Both teams passed on Jordan. Houston did pretty well. Portland did not.
Portland did just fine actually, they had the longest streak of consecutive playoff appearances of this era shortly thereafter (19 years I think). Bowie never amounted to much, but the TrailBlazers didn't suffer for it either.

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Couldn't you take this as Young = Olajuwan (hometown connection) and Bush = Jordan (highly rated player in a position of team strength) just as easily?
This analogy has little or no relevant comparison anyways.
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Portland did just fine actually, they had the longest streak of consecutive playoff appearances of this era shortly thereafter (19 years I think). Bowie never amounted to much, but the TrailBlazers didn't suffer for it either.

This analogy has little or no relevant comparison anyways.

True. I was more thinking about Bowie's performance specifically, but the Blazers were very good.
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Couldn't you take this as Young = Olajuwan (hometown connection) and Bush = Jordan (highly rated player in a position of team strength) just as easily?
Hell no, not if your agenda is Young at all costs
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I think what the guy is trying to say is that we shouldn't pass on the next Jordan becuase we already have a starter at that position. Whether that is Bush/DD or Young /Carr.

They (Trailblazers) passed on MJ and said publicly after the draft that "why would we draft MJ, we've already got Drex"

And Morknolle-you said that their playoff run was good enough without MJ, well just ask them that. I'm pretty sure that if they could turn back the clock they'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Just him implying Bush is the 3rd option is surprising enough.
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I think what the guy is trying to say is that we shouldn't pass on the next Jordan becuase we already have a starter at that position. Whether that is Bush/DD or Young /Carr.

They (Trailblazers) passed on MJ and said publicly after the draft that "why would we draft MJ, we've already got Drex"

And Morknolle-you said that their playoff run was good enough without MJ, well just ask them that. I'm pretty sure that if they could turn back the clock they'd do it in a heartbeat.
Everybody loves to talk how Michael Jordan was a unanimous first-ballot HOFer, multiple-NBA-title-winning guy straight out of college. Of course, everyone knew it would all go down that way, I mean, silly TrailBlazers, how could they have been so blind?

MJ was a snot nosed kid coming off a big collegiate win. Say what you want, but no one knew just how good he was going to be. The comparisons between MJ/Vince are absolutely ridiculous because:

(a) Mike is 20/20 hindsight
(b) Vince is blind/blind prediction

End of story. To even mention Vince in the same breath as the most storied basketball player of all time (let alone the dramatic difference in their two sports) is damn near blasphemous, especially when - get this, just in - Vince hasn't even played a pro down yet.

If you think Vince is going to be that great, okay, fine. I don't. But quit pretending to yourself and everyone else on the board like he has already won all of these championships, all these MVPs, and ************************.
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And by the way, I didn't know Vandermeer doubled as a Texans employee. But I could definitely see how all of these highly placed executives would go running to the guy to share the orgaization's secrets with him, because everybody knows, official plans are meant to be shared, especially with loudmouth reporters.

Seriously though, the way I hear it:

Since Texans officials are not officially allowed to discuss what they are all absolutely dying to tell a hack reporter like Vandermeer, it turns out the guy set up a secret poll of the entire organization in the men's bathroom. Not an entirely fair poll since he couldn't similarly infiltrate the women's commode, but still, I mean, he's got all the guys here. The code works like this: one flush equals Vince, two flushes equals not Vince, and an audio recorder in the soap dispenser keeps the results. Vandermeer has one of the janitors in his pocket to pull the data at the end of every day.

Either we've got a lot of courtesy flushers in the building, or we've got a lot of Vincers. And if you've ever dumped in a public bathroom, you know there's no such thing as a courtesy flusher. This much is for sure.

Brilliant!
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they are still considering taking VY and keeping both QB's while VY develops. It sounded as though Bush would be the 3rd option.
Amazing ! Utterly amazing ! Less than 72 hours after the Texans extended Carr for 3 more years which included compensation for I forget how many
millions of dollars, you Longhorn people are still yapping away about this
silly notion that the Texans would draft a QB this year.
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So when someone like Chris Mortensen, Bob Glauber, or Michael Smith report that sources inside the Texans like Bush, it is false, but when Mark Vandermeer reports that sources inside the Texans like Young, it is true?
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So when someone like Chris Mortensen, Bob Glauber, or Michael Smith report that sources inside the Texans like Bush, it is false, but when Mark Vandermeer reports that sources inside the Texans like Young, it is true?
Oh course comrade! All for the greater good and our leader Vincent Young.

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Amazing ! Utterly amazing ! Less than 72 hours after the Texans extended Carr for 3 more years which included compensation for I forget how many
millions of dollars, you Longhorn people are still yapping away about this
silly notion that the Texans would draft a QB this year.
We'll hear the same chorus from the rusty trombones at every milestone this off-season. Wait until draft day!
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Amazing ! Utterly amazing ! Less than 72 hours after the Texans extended Carr for 3 more years which included compensation for I forget how many millions of dollars, you Longhorn people are still yapping away about this
silly notion that the Texans would draft a QB this year.
Just relaying what I heard. I had no opinions of my own in the posting.
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And by the way, I didn't know Vandermeer doubled as a Texans employee.
In a way isn't he by being their radio announcer? The team can control that if they'd like. I know JJ does in Dallas and guys will be gone if he doesn't like what they say. I am not a VY drafter or a Longhorn so we can stop that tired excuse for people not liking Carr.
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