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Old 02-09-2006   #1
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Default Bushs' stats vs OU in the National Championship Game of '04

I was wondering this earlier and decided to investigate.
Bushs' #'s in the National Championship against OU were even more unimpressive than his against UT.

Here's the link:
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It seems as though Lendale was the feature back once again in a big game.
Lendale had 15 carries for 118 yrds and 2 td's. No rec. yrds.

Bush had only 6 carries for 79 yrds. 12.5 avg, why only 6 carries though.
Bush had only 2 rec for 31 yrds.
Bush did all the return work and had only 1 PR for 7 yrd and 2 KR for 36, an 18 yrd avg
Bush had no td's at all in this game.

Sure Bush won the Heisman a season later but his 500 yd + game against Fresno was the deciding factor in that, heck they lost to Nevada a week later.

Maybe since the game was out of hand is the reason he was underused or it was because he is uneffective in big games (garbage yrds). The OU defense stunk it up though but there were 3 defensive guys that were drafted by the NFL in the following draft, Tommy Harris in the 1st - Tedy Lehman in the 2nd - and Derick Strait in the 3rd.
This is about as close to a vision of what he'll be able to do against NFL talent as any, not to mention the UT game.

Jeez, when there is a big game with some NFL defensive talent or superior coaching on the other sideline this guy (bush) seems to be just an above avg player, nothing special. What's up with that. Anyone wanna google up his stats against ND this season.

So I ask the question again, why do we want this guy on the team with the #1 overalll selection? I've got my own smokescreen thoery but I've posted that enough, maybe I'll get another chance later on after a few qoutes come thru.
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I was wondering this earlier and decided to investigate.
Bushs' #'s in the National Championship against OU were even more unimpressive than his against UT.

Does this make VY's 2004 stats fair game?
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I was wondering this earlier and decided to investigate.
Bushs' #'s in the National Championship against OU were even more unimpressive than his against UT.

Here's the link:
http://usctrojans.collegesports.com/...05/2005ob.html

It seems as though Lendale was the feature back once again in a big game.
Lendale had 15 carries for 118 yrds and 2 td's. No rec. yrds.

Bush had only 6 carries for 79 yrds. 12.5 avg, why only 6 carries though.
Bush had only 2 rec for 31 yrds.
Bush did all the return work and had only 1 PR for 7 yrd and 2 KR for 36, an 18 yrd avg
Bush had no td's at all in this game.

Sure Bush won the Heisman a season later but his 500 yd + game against Fresno was the deciding factor in that, heck they lost to Nevada a week later.

Maybe since the game was out of hand is the reason he was underused or it was because he is uneffective in big games (garbage yrds). The OU defense stunk it up though but there were 3 defensive guys that were drafted by the NFL in the following draft, Tommy Harris in the 1st - Tedy Lehman in the 2nd - and Derick Strait in the 3rd.
This is about as close to a vision of what he'll be able to do against NFL talent as any, not to mention the UT game.

Jeez, when there is a big game with some NFL defensive talent or superior coaching on the other sideline this guy (bush) seems to be just an above avg player, nothing special. What's up with that. Anyone wanna google up his stats against ND this season.

So I ask the question again, why do we want this guy on the team with the #1 overalll selection? I've got my own smokescreen thoery but I've posted that enough, maybe I'll get another chance later on after a few qoutes come thru.

12.5 yards a carry is not above average. it's phenomenal. They scored 38 points in the first half. Of those 38 points, 21 were from passes completed from over 30 yards. If we should be comparing anything, it's that Leinart threw for 5 touchdowns and 330 yards in only 3 quarters of work. He didn't throw a pass in the 4th.
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Does this make VY's 2004 stats fair game?

perfect example of how a certain group of people can do nothing but bash VY
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Does this make VY's 2004 stats fair game?
Sure. Just keep in mind that VY worked very hard during the offseason to improve his passing.

That is one of the things that made this season so impressive....the fact that he is a hard worker that is willing to improve upon his abilities.
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Sure. Just keep in mind that VY worked very hard during the offseason to improve his passing.

That is one of the things that made this season so impressive....the fact that he is a hard worker that is willing to improve upon his abilities.

so they are fair game but with a caveat? ... ... did Bush work hard between 2004 & 2005?
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Sure. Just keep in mind that VY worked very hard during the offseason to improve his passing.

That is one of the things that made this season so impressive....the fact that he is a hard worker that is willing to improve upon his abilities.
I've never known any college players that worked hard during the offseason. Maybe that was what A&M's problem was this year. Nothing but a bunch of slackers.
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so they are fair game but with a caveat? ... ... did Bush work hard between 2004 & 2005?
I don't know....did Bush improve upon anything.

Could have worked on running between the tackles to show that he is not only a speedy-type back.

That is what VY did. There were many criticizing his passing abilities after 2004, so he improved to get better prepared for the NFL.
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perfect example of how a certain group of people can do nothing but bash VY
That was bashing?
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I've never known any college players that worked hard during the offseason. Maybe that was what A&M's problem was this year. Nothing but a bunch of slackers.
Is this sarcastic, or are you actually doubting that VY worked during the offseason?

It's a well-know fact (at least in Austin) that VY got together w/ his young receivers and worked on his passing and timing w/ them. This was all before the coaches were even allowed to work w/ the players. It may not be the norm, but that is just a testament of his dedication and work ethic.
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LenDale is the better back. RB = Eric Metcalf
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perfect example of how a certain group of people can do nothing but bash VY

I, personally, have no desire to bash anyone much less VY .... I will point out hypocrisy when I see it ....
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I, personally, have no desire to bash anyone much less VY .... I will point out hypocrisy when I see it ....

there was no hypocrisy. he never even mentioned vince.
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Bush was used as a "situational" back in some games for USC.. heck..alot of them..if not all of them.

This is the biggest knock against him.. but really I dont think it matters all that much. You are drafting him based on what he did do when he touched the ball...and what he DID do was amazing.

His stats in the OU game are NOT "bad".. 12.5 yards per rushing attempt is amazing..and 15.5 per reception aint too shabby either.

I can understand questioning his worth as #1 overall, based on the fact that he wasnt the feature back. But what I cant stand is when people say that Lendale was the back that carried that team... that just isnt true. Lendale averaged 14 carries per game... Bush averaged 15.. they split carries, pure and simple.. and when Bush had the ball, you can see just how much better he did. If you think White is a good back, then Bush is a superstar.

Anyway.. put 10 more pounds on Bush (not an issue).. and give him 20 carries a game.. and I will bet you money that he earns his salary as the #1 pick. DD can be our Lendale.
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Bush was still a young player in 2004 and wasn't used as often as he was in 2005, its that simple. Plus when you analyze the game Lendale only had 15 carries and Bush had six, the Trojans weren't running the ball that day. If you remember that game the Trojans were underdogs and heard for two weeks how they wouldn't be able to stop OU's offense are be able to handle OU's defense (sound familar) so for most of the game they just threw 3 wr sets out and piled it on that day.

How about you go pull up Matt Lienart's numbers, because with the numbers he put up that day from the pocket, with your thinking maybe we should draft him.
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Does this make VY's 2004 stats fair game?
Why wouldn't they be?

Vince's numbers vs OU in '04
Passing: 8-23 - 86 yards , 0 TDs, 0 Ints, 3 sacks, 46.6 passer rating
Rushing: 16 att 54 yards, 0 TDs
Final Score: OU 12, Team Vince zero

A thread bashing Bush's performance against OU in the '05 BCS championship game is really beyond belief. The more he's bashed, the better he looks.
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perfect example of how a certain group of people can do nothing but bash VY
perfect example of how a certain group of people can do nothing but bash Reggie Bush.

See it DOES go both eays
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Reggie is great. Vince is great. But trading down is the trump of trumps for the Texans.
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The thread author (me) never brought up VY.
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