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Old 02-07-2006   #1
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IF Winston drops to the second round should we get him, if we get Ferguson in the first?
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IF Winston drops to the second round should we get him, if we get Ferguson in the first?
It wouldn't make much sense to get both of them, if we do get Ferguson in the 1st we will presumably have two 2nd round picks and should look to address DE, CB, or maybe an interior OLineman like Nick Mangold. I think Winston could realistically fall to the 2nd (several mocks have him falling, but the combine and workouts can definitely change that), so that's why I'd prefer to draft Mario Williams to anchor our defensive line if we trade down and then get Winston in the 2nd to anchor our offensive line.
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I doubt we pick both, but it would be pretty good insurance that one would work out well. Myself, I want a TE picked as high as we can AFTER picking a tackle. I see the TE as a "Two fer" pick as they support the line blocking scheme and contribute to the passing game. Other than the line, I see that as the next most major missing piece. Key to moving the sticks IMO.
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I see the TE as a "Two fer" pick as they support the line blocking scheme and contribute to the passing game. Other than the line, I see that as the next most major missing piece. Key to moving the sticks IMO.
What about our last ranked defense, you don't think the Texans need to address this more than a TE
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What about our last ranked defense, you don't think the Texans need to address this more than a TE
Our defense definitely needs help, but I think it is less clear exactly where that is. I think it is more clear-cut where our offensive needs are, and this draft seems to match those needs well. I really expect 3 of 4 first day selections to be on the offensive side of the ball.
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Our defense definitely needs help, but I think it is less clear exactly where that is. I think it is more clear-cut where our offensive needs are, and this draft seems to match those needs well. I really expect 3 of 4 first day selections to be on the offensive side of the ball.

i would agree with that, i see the texans draft going like

bush/young in the 1st

o-lineman in the 2nd

domonique byrd 3rd
d-tackle 3rdb
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i would agree with that, i see the texans draft going like

bush/young in the 1st

o-lineman in the 2nd

domonique byrd 3rd
d-tackle 3rdb
DT in the 3rd??!!

I hope you meant DE b/c we already have too many DTs
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DT in the 3rd??!!

I hope you meant DE b/c we already have too many DTs

wow...you are correct...its late, im tired...my fault
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For that one first day defensive player (likely a 3rd rounder), I'd like us to take the BPA out of DE, MLB, or safety. 2007 will be the draft we will have to focus on the defense, and we should have a better idea where our biggest weaknesses lie in the 4-3.
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D'Brick is the guy we need, runnin lanes open for Davis, and Carr gets to stay in the pocket and throw the ball to recievers. So if possible we should trade down and pick up an extra 2nd round pick for this year (not including the first for next).

1st round- D'Brick
2nd round (a)- BPA/OLB. If Thomas Howard was to fall to 33rd, we should gobble him up. If his not then we should take the best player available in our needs at interior O-line and TE.
2nd round (b)- If we were able to get Howard with the 33rd, then we have to decide what need we need to fill next. Nick Mangold helps alot right here.
3rd round (a)- If Byrd falls here then we take him, if not Elvis Dumervail should still be around and he helps with the pass rush we defiently need.
3rd round (b)- Since we have the next pick its easy. If we drafted a TE then we take a DE. If DE then TE. If Bryd is not around, Kollfenstein out of Colorado is, and he showed at the senior bowl hes a well rounded TE.
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I dont think that we would take both,I dont think there is a need and we have too many other holes to fill. I f we take 1)Ferguson in the first round then I would pray that 2a)Manny Lawson is there in the second. I he is, then thats who I would pick. Otherwise I would take the best defensive player available then go 2b)TE, 3a)Defese, 3b)interior lineman hopefully mangold falls this far but if not I think Elsinger would be a great aquisition as well.
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D'Brick is the guy we need, runnin lanes open for Davis, and Carr gets to stay in the pocket and throw the ball to recievers. So if possible we should trade down and pick up an extra 2nd round pick for this year (not including the first for next).

1st round- D'Brick
2nd round (a)- BPA/OLB. If Thomas Howard was to fall to 33rd, we should gobble him up. If his not then we should take the best player available in our needs at interior O-line and TE.
2nd round (b)- If we were able to get Howard with the 33rd, then we have to decide what need we need to fill next. Nick Mangold helps alot right here.
3rd round (a)- If Byrd falls here then we take him, if not Elvis Dumervail should still be around and he helps with the pass rush we defiently need.
3rd round (b)- Since we have the next pick its easy. If we drafted a TE then we take a DE. If DE then TE. If Bryd is not around, Kollfenstein out of Colorado is, and he showed at the senior bowl hes a well rounded TE.
Thomas Howard will easily be available at #33 and we shouldn't pick him there. My take on team needs in approximate order:
OT
DE
OG/C
CB/S
TE
S/CB
OG/C
MLB
WR

We do need better LBs, but this isn't a good year to do that with the contract situation of some of our guys and so many LBs on the roster already that need to be evaluated in a real defensive system. MLB is our main need at LB as we don't have a true MLB on the team, but we can likely get a guy like Anthony Schlegel (Ohio St.) or Rocky McIntosh (Miami) in the 5th round, maybe even 6th. Trading down would be a great option, as we can get the top DE (my preference) or the top LT in the 1st round, then address the other of those two positions at #33 (hopefully Eric Winston at OT, or else maybe Jonathan Scott, otherwise the best DE if we get D'Brick in the 1st). Then at other next 2nd round pick we can get an interior OL (Nick Mangold from Ohio St. to play OG/C), then get a TE in the 3rd (Fasano, Klopfenstein will likely be here, maybe someone better falls too), and a CB/S in the 3rd (DeMario Minter, Jonathan Joseph, Alan Zemaitis, etc.) That would help our OLine with two new starters, get a good DE to anchor our DL (hopefully get the dominant one in Mario), and then get our good pass-catching TE and a potential starting CB all in the first day and bring in five starting-quality players there.
Then we look at a WR, S, or MLB in the 4th, get a first-day WR if a good one falls, otherwise look for a coverage FS (Daniel Bullocks from Nebraska should be here), a MLB in the 5th (Anthony Schlegel or Rocky McIntosh should both be here), another interior OLineman in the 6th for depth and to replace Wiegert after next season (Will Allen from Texas could easily be here or Mark Setterstrom from Minnesota might be here, or take Setterstrom in the 5th and a MLB here), and in the 7th look for another athletic WR/LB/CB/S to add as depth, or maybe get someone like Michael Robinson, Marcus Vick, or especially Reggie McNeal if he falls that could potentially be a WR but also play a backup QB and be an Antwaan Randle El type of guy for us. That would give us a FS and MLB that could compete for the starting spot this year, add another decent OG to be a backup this year and hopefully start next year, and then bring in another athlete.
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i've seen mocks with jon scott and winston falling to the 2nd but are they worth the top pick in the 2nd either?

I've seen one mock with us drafting a safety at the top of the 2nd which I find dumb as all outside considering they have us taking bush in the 1st.
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i've seen mocks with jon scott and winston falling to the 2nd but are they worth the top pick in the 2nd either?

I've seen one mock with us drafting a safety at the top of the 2nd which I find dumb as all outside considering they have us taking bush in the 1st.
I would definitely say Winston is worth the #33 pick, I think he will be a great RT, and a good, possibly great LT in a year or two and the only way I don't take him if he's here at #33 is if we draft D'Brickashaw in the 1st round. Jon Scott I'm not as high on, but if he's here and Winston isn't I'd consider taking him depending on what guys are available at other positions. Outisde of Michael Huff and maybe one or two others I wouldn't take a S here, and none of those guys will likely be here, but I'd consider taking a top-tier CB that happens to slip or else the best DE here if Winston is not available, or maybe take an interior OLineman like Nick Mangold. Going for someone like Mangold would be a lot easier if we trade down and acquire an extra 2nd rounder to take him and still get another guy high in the 2nd.
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Winston is likely a mid to low first rounder depending on his combine and workout performances. Jon Scott reminds me of Khalif Barnes from last year and will likely be selected around the same spot. I think Scott will be a solid RT/LG in the NFL and Winston can play all the positions. Honestly he reminds me alot of Steve Hutchinson when he was drafted, just not a G.
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What about our last ranked defense, you don't think the Texans need to address this more than a TE
No doubt our defense played VERY poorly last year. However, I'm not sure what we have there from a player standpoint. The WAY we played defense IMO precludes us knowing what we have. Given that, it's been painfully obviouse that we have basicaly zero talent for a line or TE, both of which are critically important to getting the offense moving. Unless the coaches say we have no talent on defense (IMO we have more than we think), I would prefere to address the offense almost totaly this year and then see where we are at and then use next year for the defense if needed. The offense takes a year or two to get it together, where a defense can pull it together within the year. If that happens, then hopefully they both hit their stride at the same time.
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No doubt our defense played VERY poorly last year. However, I'm not sure what we have there from a player standpoint. The WAY we played defense IMO precludes us knowing what we have. Given that, it's been painfully obviouse that we have basicaly zero talent for a line or TE, both of which are critically important to getting the offense moving. Unless the coaches say we have no talent on defense (IMO we have more than we think), I would prefere to address the offense almost totaly this year and then see where we are at and then use next year for the defense if needed. The offense takes a year or two to get it together, where a defense can pull it together within the year. If that happens, then hopefully they both hit their stride at the same time.
I agree and have held this stance for a while, I'm not sure what to think of some of our defensive players now that we are switching to a 4-3 defense and the only thing we've seen of these guys so far is in Fangio's quirky system. I think with an offensive coach, resigning David Carr, and with the talent at OLine and TE this year, we have to address the offense with just about every pick we can until Kubiak feels that he has players in place to be a success on offense, however many that may be. We definitely need a new OT, at least one probably two OG/C, and a TE on offense, maybe a WR at some point. The only thing I can say that we do need on defense is another DE, I'm not sure Babin and Peek will do what we need them to do after playing in a 3-4 for the last couple years. If we trade down and use the #4/5 pick on Mario Williams then I am fine with using our three out of our next four picks (two 2nds and two 3rds) on offense (OT, interior OL, and TE), then probably looking at a CB in the 2nd or 3rd round with that remaining spot. The I'd get another interior OLineman later in the draft in the 5th or 6th round (Setterstrom or Will Allen) as depth and to replace Wiegert in a year, maybe get a WR somewhere from the 3rd on down if a guy projected to go higher falls (i.e. a 2nd round talent in the 3rd, a 3rd round talent falling to the 4th, etc.), and pick up a S and MLB somewhere in the 4th-6th as well that can compete for a starting spot this year or provide depth for a year or two until they are ready to be starters (Bullocks in the 4th and Schlegel or Rocky McIntosh in the 5th or 6th are current targets of mine).
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