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Old 02-06-2006   #1
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can we really go another year with this guy? we seriously need to upgrade at corner. what do u guys think?
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Old 02-06-2006   #2
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pretty much everyone agrees. the raiders are still laughing at us.
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AAARRGGGGGHHHH!

Not again. Say it won't be so!
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I think he should be put on the kick team as the guy who breaks the wedge. That way, he HAS to hit somebody.
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I think depeding on the scheme he could be a # 2 starter/nickle...He isnt going to start laying the wood, so maybe we have to home his coverage skills and big play ability start to show. IMO I think we need to bring another quality corner in via the draft or FA. With the lack of TRUE 4-3 DE, I believe there will be a lot of pressure on the secondary.
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I think he should be put on the kick team as the guy who breaks the wedge. That way, he HAS to hit somebody.

Good Idea .... I got a really good laugh outa that !


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I think depeding on the scheme he could be a # 2 starter/nickle...He isnt going to start laying the wood, so maybe we have to home his coverage skills and big play ability start to show. IMO I think we need to bring another quality corner in via the draft or FA. With the lack of TRUE 4-3 DE, I believe there will be a lot of pressure on the secondary.

NO , and NO again , P-Burnt wont play the system .... thats one of his biggest problems .... he's always out of position and gambles to make the INT rather than the solid play .... as PowerfulDragon said above ... The Raiders and Al Davis are Still laughing ....I think he should A) get cut , B) play special teams until he can show some discipline .... Being a contract year he better put it together
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Oh I definately think the raiders got the WAYYYYYYYYY better end of the trade, no doubt about that, BUT we have him now and he MAY be salvageable?
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Hey, what did the Raiders get out of those draft picks? Anyone know? If they actually draft someone good, then they got the best of it, but the infamous Ditka/Ricky Williams trade brought absolutley nothing out of the draft.
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He will only count 800k against the cap next year, very cheap. If you buy into the arguement that the staff will help so and so next year, then you must also take a wait and see attitude with PBuc.
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He will only count 800k against the cap next year, very cheap. If you buy into the arguement that the staff will help so and so next year, then you must also take a wait and see attitude with PBuc.

The problem here is that the D-Backs will be coached by the same person ... And if Jon Hoke Cant get the best out of Buchannon ... I just dont think it can be done ....Hoke is one of the best DB coaches around .... But the price is right .... $800k isnt gonna hurt the cap much , He will have another year to show what he can do.
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I have to say, I initially saw "PBUC" in the subject and racked my brain to think of what it was...

Pass Break Up?

No.

Pass Break Up Corner?

Nooooooo, they're talking about Philip BUChanon. Of course, he's not a pass-break-up corner.

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The problem here is that the D-Backs will be coached by the same person ... And if Jon Hoke Cant get the best out of Buchannon ... I just dont think it can be done ....Hoke is one of the best DB coaches around .... But the price is right .... $800k isnt gonna hurt the cap much , He will have another year to show what he can do.
I agree with your take on Hoke, but just to twist it a bit how about this? Hoke was a soldier and was going with Fangio's plan as was PBuc playing that awful zone coverage. Remeber how happy Hoke and Buchanon were to work with another when he was acquired? Maybe Hoke thought there would be more man coverage and then Fangio went more towards zone. I have no idea, just throwing it out there.
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I agree with your take on Hoke, but just to twist it a bit how about this? Hoke was a soldier and was going with Fangio's plan as was PBuc playing that awful zone coverage. Remeber how happy Hoke and Buchanon were to work with another when he was acquired? Maybe Hoke thought there would be more man coverage and then Fangio went more towards zone. I have no idea, just throwing it out there.

Well .... Being a contract year .... Buchannon has little choice but to show he can play a system and not just free-lance .... Or find a new line of work ....
Be it zone or man , with his speed and other physical tools he should have little trouble ... Its the mental side of the game that I just dont think he gets .
I really think he's a ME FIRST player in the ultimate TEAM sport .

(and his tackling has to be the worst of any corner in the NFL .... cant or wont I dont know which)
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(and his tackling has to be the worst of any corner in the NFL .... cant or wont I dont know which)
That statement does not need parentheses, it needs to breathe and be heard. I am not a PBuch apologist, I do see value, but he needs to eat a few jalapenos to help grow some hair and take on those runners with a purpose.
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My guess is that he'll play very well this year. He strikes me as the kind of guy who will play well in his contract year. While it appears to have been a bad trade, it's important to remember that it was a low risk gamble. We got a 1st round talent for two years- counting nothing against the cap. And, if he does have a good year and leaves via free agency, we will get a high compensatory pick for 2007.
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(and his tackling has to be the worst of any corner in the NFL .... cant or wont I dont know which)
This statement was very accurate until he was demoted. After that, while not great, he started tackling much better.
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This statement was very accurate until he was demoted. After that, while not great, he started tackling much better.
I pointed that out a while ago, and not a single person took notice of what I was saying.
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It's just hard to believe this is the same guy who played for Miami. He was an all american cornerback. Had 44 tackes his sophmore year and 23 his junior year of which 15 were solo. Had a qb sack and two tackes for lossed in the 2002 rose bowl to help miami to the national championship. Runs a 4.31 forty. I say keep him for cheap and try to get him playing like a first round pick.
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Okay, but what defense did they play at Miami U? Was it a defense that required discipline or did they just have superior athletes that used their individual talents?

For what it's worth, Hoke was on 610 this past week and he said the 4-3 would not affect the coverages that much. Of course, Fangio ran his defenses like a little girl so maybe some of the defenders took on his personality. It seems to me that it would be hard to be aggressive if you're always rushing four and sagging back.

I would give this guy another year, but draft another corner anyway. If PBuch has a great year he will be expensive in free agency anyway following the season, so either way you need depth.
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In general those miami teams had superior athletes, that's why many of them are playing in the nfl. PB kind of reminds me of deon sanders. Good speed, punt returns, but no tackles in the nfl. Will be an interesting year.
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