Carr, Bush,Young Debate Finally! - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

Daonly · 02-05-2006

Man you guys are Crazy, it's like Two Brothers who have to choose between getting an XBox or Ps2 for Christmas, and you both think the other is the best; and your Mother gets fed up and gets you a Game Cube! (Dbrick) lol anyway... You know I like Vince Young; I think he will have a better career than David Carr I really do.

David Carr has it's up and downs like all NFL QB's, but really folks let's say 20% was coaching, 20% No quality Offensive Line, and 10% No play makers to give the ball to, only than a doubled Andre Johnson.

That's 50% of David Carr's problem and the other 50% is David's own. OK that's pretty much fair. With that being said, David is like in the middle of the pack as far as starting QB's, he's not dead last.

A number of teams would love to have David Carr,(Miami,Oakland, Etc.); just to go on to say he's a solid QB with room for growth. We hired a New Coach who also was a QB's coach, That's taking away say 15% of the Coaching Problem, (Ex, Plays called, Blocking Schemes) leaving just 5% error or room for improvement. On to the offensive line.

I feel we will go out and spend money on a Veteran Lineman, not maybe the best, but one who would fit the mold into this zone blocking scheme. He's going to help anchor the line with the rest of our guys.

Then comes the Guys we already have, with Improve coaching and better schemes I think they improve immensely; Also add a high round tackle or guard from the draft to the mix, maybe first in the second or one of our high 3rd's will solve say 15% of that problem in this off season as well, with 5% error or room for improvement.

OK let's go with the play makers. In Carr's first couple of years, He made Billy Miller look like the Man! We need to get David Carr that sure handed dump off guy again in a pass receiving TE, and this the year to do it. I feel Mercedes Lewis will be there or someone like Fasano on the top of the 3rd round. We also need someone aggressive as far as a second WR maybe Moss from Miami in the draft of a Randle El type; Surely where getting Reggie Bush.

He can Run (LT.) He can catch and receive (Faulk) He can Block as well (Emmitt), He probably can throw! (Trick Plays, Reverse's etc.). He's a multi dimensional player, not even mentioning special teams. If you got a player who the defense must take account for and his name is not Andre Johnson, then my friend you got some play makers on your team, so with all of that 10% of your problem with play makers are gone.

So with Kubs coming in helping David Carr being a better QB giving him his confidence back, helping him being a more vocal leader on this team. I feel David's fault will go down by say 25%. I feel he's going to be the most improve player come next year. Mark my words. Nothing Against Vince Young, very great talent, but as far as this TEAM goes I feel the Organization as well as Kubs wants to win now and they don't have time to baby-sit and teach someone how to be an NFL QB; Then try to explain to the masses they want to win now.

Carr know the game from experience in playing for 4 years; Now it's time to make him into a better QB.David won't be the face of the franchise any longer, Bush will be that guy. That takes a lot of pressure off of him. He won't be the focal point any longer.

Teams must respect the run and pass, and the pass action; Plus Carr can run and with an added bonus should have a good quality TE to throw it to in case he gets in trouble.

I love both Reggie Bush and Young. No matter what I'll root for them both, but IM a realest and the Gods in the skies are pointing at Reggie Bush, so may his work be done Amen.

**ArlingtonTexan** · 02-05-2006

Finally??? Where have you been?

**Kaiser Toro** · 02-05-2006

I guess I picked the wrong day to stop debating Carr, Bush and Young.

02-05-2006

dido

Daonly · 02-05-2006

What I mean it all ends right here. No more need to debate about it. We all know the chances of what going to happen. You surrounded have a chance to surrender or you can go down like the Alamo. But let's not argue about who is better and who has flaws cause they both good prospects and it would be Nice to have the Hometown kid, makes a great story, but we have a David Carr and it's not going to happen, So let's talk about some other things like the Defense side of the ball.

**Double Barrel** · 02-05-2006

Well....ooooh-kay!

That's certainly one way to look at it.

But I'm afraid that the debate won't end here. It's an internet forum and we've got about three months until the draft, so there may be some pockets of resistance to your plan.

**ArlingtonTexan** · 02-05-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daonly

What I mean it all ends right here. No more need to debate about it. We all know the chances of what going to happen. You surrounded have a chance to surrender or you can go down like the Alamo. But let's not argue about who is better and who has flaws cause they both good prospects and it would be Nice to have the Hometown kid, makes a great story, but we have a David Carr and it's not going to happen, So let's talk about some other things like the Defense side of the ball.

No matter what happens in the draft, no mater what happens in these guys careers from this point on; the Carr, Bush, Young or trade down debate will be a part of Texans lore. We are just going to have to live with it.

bigTEXan8 · 02-05-2006

:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

Maddict5 · 02-05-2006

Imagine how sweet it would be if this was the last VY/Bush etc thread until April. That way i might last till the 29th

axman40 · 02-05-2006

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Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Well....ooooh-kay!

That's certainly one way to look at it.

But I'm afraid that the debate won't end here. It's an internet forum and we've got about three months until the draft, so there may be some pockets of resistance to your plan.

VIVA LA RESISTANCE! VIVA VY!

travfrancis · 02-05-2006

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VIVA LA RESISTANCE! VIVA VY!

^ lol, it does kind of remind me of those farmworkers movements in california

conservatives going around beating and threatening strikers with sticks

the VY supporters are like those liberals, who thought outside the box and were crucified for it. we've taken a lot of heat for going against the norm (drafting reggie bush).

Hulk75 is that you?^

02-05-2006

Carr = NFL starting QB

Young & Bush = college starting football players.

Apples and oranges.

**Kaiser Toro** · 02-05-2006

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Originally Posted by SESupergenius

Carr = NFL starting QB

Young & Bush = college starting football players.

Apples and oranges.

Ohhh SES you are the anti anti-establishment.

02-05-2006

I am a veteran of 3 Texans Board Wars.

**Kaiser Toro** · 02-05-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by SESupergenius

I am a veteran of 3 Texans Board Wars.

Semper Fi, SES, Semper Fi.

run-david-run · 02-05-2006

Ahh, this is one of the coming thousand of "final draft threads"... in case you havnt already realized, the arguments here are a little recycled... I expect to see this exact post with slightly differant wording tommorow, and the day after, and the day after that...

run-david-run · 02-05-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by SESupergenius

I am a veteran of 3 Texans Board Wars.

Are you reffering to the great DJ vs TJ struggle, by any chance?

TexanFan881 · 02-05-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan

No matter what happens in the draft, no mater what happens in these guys careers from this point on; the Carr, Bush, Young or trade down debate will be a part of Texans lore. We are just going to have to live with it.

Either way we win, so I'm not going to get nervous and am just going to hang on for the ride. I'm no GM and I think there is almost no way we can screw ourself out of this great position in the draft. The only way I would be disappointed is if we trade for a pick in next year's draft, because we need help now.

FirstTexansFan · 02-06-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by travfrancis

^ lol, it does kind of remind me of those farmworkers movements in california

conservatives going around beating and threatening strikers with sticks

the VY supporters are like those liberals, who thought outside the box and were crucified for it. we've taken a lot of heat for going against the norm (drafting reggie bush).

Hulk75 is that you?^

Though tempted, I've yet to find where you liberals live and beat you with a stick....but thanks for the thought process, what section do you sit in at Reliant?

powerfuldragon · 02-06-2006

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Originally Posted by whiskeyrbl

dido

what does she have to do with anythign?

02-05-2006	#1
Daonly Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 36 Posts: 165 Rep Power: 9	Carr, Bush,Young Debate Finally! Man you guys are Crazy, it's like Two Brothers who have to choose between getting an XBox or Ps2 for Christmas, and you both think the other is the best; and your Mother gets fed up and gets you a Game Cube! (Dbrick) lol anyway... You know I like Vince Young; I think he will have a better career than David Carr I really do. David Carr has it's up and downs like all NFL QB's, but really folks let's say 20% was coaching, 20% No quality Offensive Line, and 10% No play makers to give the ball to, only than a doubled Andre Johnson. That's 50% of David Carr's problem and the other 50% is David's own. OK that's pretty much fair. With that being said, David is like in the middle of the pack as far as starting QB's, he's not dead last. A number of teams would love to have David Carr,(Miami,Oakland, Etc.); just to go on to say he's a solid QB with room for growth. We hired a New Coach who also was a QB's coach, That's taking away say 15% of the Coaching Problem, (Ex, Plays called, Blocking Schemes) leaving just 5% error or room for improvement. On to the offensive line. I feel we will go out and spend money on a Veteran Lineman, not maybe the best, but one who would fit the mold into this zone blocking scheme. He's going to help anchor the line with the rest of our guys. Then comes the Guys we already have, with Improve coaching and better schemes I think they improve immensely; Also add a high round tackle or guard from the draft to the mix, maybe first in the second or one of our high 3rd's will solve say 15% of that problem in this off season as well, with 5% error or room for improvement. OK let's go with the play makers. In Carr's first couple of years, He made Billy Miller look like the Man! We need to get David Carr that sure handed dump off guy again in a pass receiving TE, and this the year to do it. I feel Mercedes Lewis will be there or someone like Fasano on the top of the 3rd round. We also need someone aggressive as far as a second WR maybe Moss from Miami in the draft of a Randle El type; Surely where getting Reggie Bush. He can Run (LT.) He can catch and receive (Faulk) He can Block as well (Emmitt), He probably can throw! (Trick Plays, Reverse's etc.). He's a multi dimensional player, not even mentioning special teams. If you got a player who the defense must take account for and his name is not Andre Johnson, then my friend you got some play makers on your team, so with all of that 10% of your problem with play makers are gone. So with Kubs coming in helping David Carr being a better QB giving him his confidence back, helping him being a more vocal leader on this team. I feel David's fault will go down by say 25%. I feel he's going to be the most improve player come next year. Mark my words. Nothing Against Vince Young, very great talent, but as far as this TEAM goes I feel the Organization as well as Kubs wants to win now and they don't have time to baby-sit and teach someone how to be an NFL QB; Then try to explain to the masses they want to win now. Carr know the game from experience in playing for 4 years; Now it's time to make him into a better QB.David won't be the face of the franchise any longer, Bush will be that guy. That takes a lot of pressure off of him. He won't be the focal point any longer. Teams must respect the run and pass, and the pass action; Plus Carr can run and with an added bonus should have a good quality TE to throw it to in case he gets in trouble. I love both Reggie Bush and Young. No matter what I'll root for them both, but IM a realest and the Gods in the skies are pointing at Reggie Bush, so may his work be done Amen. Last edited by Daonly; 02-05-2006 at 11:48 AM.

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Double Barrel Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Section: Gridiron, Texas Age: 46 Posts: 27,053 Rep Power: 81571	Well....ooooh-kay! That's certainly one way to look at it. But I'm afraid that the debate won't end here. It's an internet forum and we've got about three months until the draft, so there may be some pockets of resistance to your plan. __________________ "FOOTBALL IS ONLY A DIVERSION." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS In Memoriam - 20 little angels

02-05-2006	#8
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02-05-2006	#16
run-david-run Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The University of Texas Age: 24 Posts: 3,370 Rep Power: 1329	Ahh, this is one of the coming thousand of "final draft threads"... in case you havnt already realized, the arguments here are a little recycled... I expect to see this exact post with slightly differant wording tommorow, and the day after, and the day after that... __________________ Andre Johnson is The Answer

02-05-2006	#2
ArlingtonTexan Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 5,257 Rep Power: 19442	Finally??? Where have you been?

02-05-2006	#9
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02-05-2006	#12
SESupergenius Guest Posts: n/a	Carr = NFL starting QB Young & Bush = college starting football players. Apples and oranges.

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