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Old 02-01-2006   #1
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I know we have the second-worst O-line in history, but wasn't the Line really good when D-Hog played? Pitts-McKinney-Hogdon-Wiegert-Wade (I think) did not allow many sacks. Everyone else should be replaced in at earliest 5th round.
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Im all for drafting a franchise lineman in the first round, but also they arent the fancy pick that everyone talks about, what do you suggest they draft in rounds 1-4?
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Im all for drafting a franchise lineman in the first round, but also they arent the fancy pick that everyone talks about, what do you suggest they draft in rounds 1-4?
We have holes at LB, TE, maybe a CB, and a S to replace Coleman.
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The line looked good compared to what we'd seen from them earlier in the season. They were in no way a good NFL O-Line. They were just better than the horrid play we saw early on. So to answer your question YES an OLineman should be picked in one of the first 3 or 4 rounds. Doesn't mean you have to spend a 1st Rounder on one, but I wouldn't mind seeing us pick up an OG to eventually replace Weigert and/or an OT.
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I just want to get someone who will give Carr sometime to throw and not have to run for his life.
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Really depends on what we do in FA......... if we can land a LeCharles Bently, we can stick him at either Center, or Gaurd, which will greatly improve the play of the guys on either side of him.
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Tapp DE second round
Parham MLB third round
Setterstorm OG third round
Mangold or Enslayer OG/C fourth round

That would go a long way to improving the team whoever we add after can also help.
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Really depends on what we do in FA......... if we can land a LeCharles Bently, we can stick him at either Center, or Gaurd, which will greatly improve the play of the guys on either side of him.
Even if we get him, we still need to use a pick in the top 3 rounds(i would prefer round 2) to get a guard or RT.
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I know we have the second-worst O-line in history, but wasn't the Line really good when D-Hog played? Pitts-McKinney-Hogdon-Wiegert-Wade (I think) did not allow many sacks. Everyone else should be replaced in at earliest 5th round.

Hodgdon play about 2 and a half game's I believe (3 starts) .... the line did look better with him at C and McKinney at LG .

Milford Brown and Fred Weary started the majority of the season at the guard spots . They are likely the two worst (starting) guards in the NLF. This coupled with McKinney back at center is the downfall of the O-line . (I think both are free agents .... My hope is that in that case they dont return).

Im of the opinion that the Texans are weak on the interior of the O-line . So there doesnt have to be an early pick used to fix this.. Guards and Centers are generally found in rounds 3 and later . That being said , there is ONE Guard....Max Gean-Gilles.....I'd take in round 2 .... Although he's likely to be gone mid / late round one .
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Even if we get him, we still need to use a pick in the top 3 rounds(i would prefer round 2) to get a guard or RT.
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The line looked good compared to what we'd seen from them earlier in the season. They were in no way a good NFL O-Line. They were just better than the horrid play we saw early on.
Exactly - they went from hopeless to merely inadequate. Compared to the 2004 season they were poor, and the 2004 line had to block for seven step drops and a real passing attack. At no time did the 2005 line look "good" while running an NFL caliber offense.
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Im of the opinion that the Texans are weak on the interior of the O-line .
And yet we finished the season starting 5 guards. Fantastic coaching!
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I would say Bush 1st.

2nd TE- A TE can make or break your offense. I really would love to have Fasano out of ND right here. Good blocker, great hands, great athlete- good all around TE.

Other Needs:
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The reason why I am saying we dont need to draft an O Linemen is if you looked into the texans offseason program (ive stated this before) you saw their plan was to lose weight and gain speed...most retarded thing I have heard to do for an offensive line. We have the players- We need the coaching and the offseason training. An offensive line is the one position in football where you can take a mediocre group of guys and make them all stars with great coaching. We need a consistent starting 5 group that can work together, drafting one raw college offensive linemen isnt going to make the work easier for the other 4 linemen. It won't make a big enough impact.
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Really depends on what we do in FA......... if we can land a LeCharles Bently, we can stick him at either Center, or Gaurd, which will greatly improve the play of the guys on either side of him.
I guess this is what it comes down to. Getting this guy will instantly upgrade everybody, quite probably more than d'brick. If we don't get this guy or d'brick it could be a long year again. Hopefully Kubiak can work some magic but after counting on the gel method last offseason I would be skeptical to say the least.
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It's been interesting to me that we have had so many posts concerning one of the last decisions the Texans will probably make. The upheaval in coaching was first, and now we are on to Free Agency. (Does anybody with Front Office connections know if the Front Office received many hits this season?) Once we have the Free Agents locked down, then we can better determine what Houston will do on Draft Day. Like is being posted around - if the Texans free-agent a center or tackle, then we can expect to get Bush/Young. If they don't pick that one up during Free Agency, I think we are more likely to trade down.

FWIW - I still think they will try to pick up a TE/Secondary in the second round and a LB/lineman in the third.
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and depending what is done with Carr's contract..... 2yr/3yr...... we'll have an idea of where these guys are really leaning.
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I would say Bush 1st.

2nd TE- A TE can make or break your offense. I really would love to have Fasano out of ND right here. Good blocker, great hands, great athlete- good all around TE.

Other Needs:
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We need a consistent starting 5 group that can work together, drafting one raw college offensive linemen isnt going to make the work easier for the other 4 linemen. It won't make a big enough impact.


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FWIW - I still think they will try to pick up a TE/Secondary in the second round and a LB/lineman in the third.


What???????


Were you guys being sarcastic? Please tell me you were... We dont need to draft any o-lineman...we should wait until the 3rd to draft o-line. Even the biggest Bush/Young lovers know if we take any skill player in round one than OL is the concern in round 2. I at least accept that view, but you have to be completely blind to say that oh.

Our o-line is fine the way it is??? We have the worst offensive line in the history of NFL football.


Oh and why would you waste a second rounder on Fasano when he is almost sure to be ther in the 3rd.


Davis
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Lewis
Byrd
Klopfenstein... all TEs rated higher than Fasano
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The reason why I am saying we dont need to draft an O Linemen is if you looked into the texans offseason program (ive stated this before) you saw their plan was to lose weight and gain speed...most retarded thing I have heard to do for an offensive line.
Its called zone blocking and fat, slow offensive lineman cant do it.
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And yet we finished the season starting 5 guards. Fantastic coaching!

Ill give ya 4 guards ..... Pitts has been a LT since college and its his natural position ..... When Riley was benched / CUT and Pitts returned to LT the line was much improved
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I know we have the second-worst O-line in history, but wasn't the Line really good when D-Hog played? Pitts-McKinney-Hogdon-Wiegert-Wade (I think) did not allow many sacks. Everyone else should be replaced in at earliest 5th round.
No we do not need to take an O-lineman in the 1st. We have the luck that this is not only one of the deepest drafts for O-line but that the talent level of skill players at the top blows away last year and most other years. We can still get a Bush or VY or a D playmaker AND get O-lineman with 3 of the next 66 picks.
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