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Old 02-01-2006   #1
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I went to the message boards of the Jets, 49ers, Bills, and Cardinals a couple days ago to get their fan's opinions on the possibility of their team trading up to the #1 spot, and to see what players they are looking at getting. Just to give you guys an opinion on what they think, here's most of what I've found so far (I've bolded some interesting comments):
49ers Fans:
http://49ers.hosttown.com/index.php?showtopic=42280
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there's no real interest from the team trading up. it's pure speculation built around the HS teammate connection of A. Smitty and R.bush
Truth of the matter is, unless the texans were crazy enough to give up the #1 pick for just one player on the niner squad and not touch the #7 pick
the niners have no one that the texans would even view as being worthy of that #1 pick.
The niners, need players (plural for a reason) so going after the #1 pick doesn't help them at all. Much like the texans you don't have just one need and i tend to think the texans want Bush but don't want to upset the locals by not picking young so they are hoping someone else takes #1 and takes young
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I am personally not for it, it would take to much to trade up.
i.e. 2 first rounders, probably a second and a third as well
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I do not believe that the 49ers would give very much to trade up. It would have to be a hell of deal for them to do so.
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considering the niners needs trading up to #1 makes no sense.
we know it's not for a QB
and if for some reason they wanted a 1st round RB the RB depth is enough in that if you don't take Bush, so what there's enough other RB's that will get the desired affect.
d'Brick would be nice but you don't have to have the #1 pick (imo) to get him.
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NO. We'd rather trade down, there's no way we trade up to #1.
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I agree never will trade up if that was the case the niner's should of lost on purpose like the texan's did
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While no doubt this board will be flooded with young fans who will say "trade up, trade up" the reality of the situation is Nolan and crew have no need to trade up.
The 49ers do not need a QB, and do not really need a RB. With Bush, V Young, Leinart and possibly Jay Cutler all projected to be picked ahead of the #6/7 spot, the 49ers will almost near have the #1 choice of all non-QB non-RB players without needing to trade.
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Good points.
IMO if Mario Williams or AJ hawk are not there at our pick were trading down; hell we might do it anyways regardless of who is there.
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Agreed. Originally, if we had gotten the "Bush pick". I think I'd advise we take him. However, after watching more college games, he SB practices and game, reading about guys on the net, watching video. There are too many good young player in this draft to trade our first and probably at least 2 more first day picks either this year or next year. That's really gonna be three players. The Texans wouldn't want players off our roster. WE don't really even want players on our roster.
I can't see giving up what the Texans are gonna want. Kinda like last year when we had Smith, his value was lower but we weren't expecting as much so we couldn't trade down. Now, it appears that what the Texans would ask for in a trade is so high that no one will do it. Unless it's a semi-established team who thinks they are a Stud RB away from a Super Bowl. Say Minny, NE, Carolina. Or Indy (If James is gone). Purely Speculation though.
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Like others have said, the chance of San Francisco trading up to the number one spot is pretty much slim to none.
There is no reason for them to give up so much to move to the top. Why, for Bush? If they want a back they could go DeAngelo Williams or White or someone else..no need to move up. Its defiantly not for a QB. So its really pointless for the Niners to trade up, especialy giving the asking price to make the jump.
I was even one to say when they had chance at getting number one pick that they should trade down if that happened. They still might trade down with the sixth or seventh pick.
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that's the thing, gore did a good job so no need to get a #1 rb and as you mentioned theres DeAngelo so Bush isn't a must have so trading up for him is absurd.
vernon davis is another player that gets alot of hype on this board
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In my opinion:
The Niners don't need to trade up. Niners already have good running backs with Barlow and Hicks backing up Gore - We already have our qb for next season and hopefully beyond.
Needs:
1) Finish OLine upgrade
2) Dominant pass rush on the end
3) Deep threat WR
4) Corner back
5) TE
6) Full Back
I don't think trading up would help the team shore these needs
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Mor--after last year lots of 9er fans view the first pick as more of a liability than an asset. You guys have much better players on the board this year than we did last year, but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that I am happy we don't have the first pick.
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Mike Nolan and the FO have mentioned more than once their desire to have as many picks as possible. Trading up would not allow for that.
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Nolan and co. have mentioned that they want to use a lot of draft picks. Trading up would both start to threaten the team with future cap issues (something that finally looks to be in the past), and require losing a couple of picks. Moreover, while Bush looks promising to many, the Niners have a solid corp of backs with Barlow, Gore and Hicks scheduled to be back next year, plus the possibility of drafting any number of rising college players in the draft (e.g., DeAngelo Williams, LenDale White, Joseph Addai, Jerome Harrison, Terrence Whitehead, etc.). There is a lot of depth at RB in the draft, and there will be some good/great RBs available in rounds 2-5, if the Niners go that direction.
I don't expect the team to trade up, and see no real benefit to doing so.
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we definately do not trade up in this situation everybody who picks before us will be concentrating on takin QBs and RBs so hopefully when we get to pick at 6/7 we will have the option of hopefully a dbrickashaw ferguson AJ Hawk or vernon davis
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i say we trade up and do what ever we can to get BUSH !!!!!!
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david carr gets killed behind that o-line now there going to bring in a rookie running back i know reggie is a great runner but he better work on picking up blocking assingnments or car will keep getting killed.
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the texans need d'brick more than any other team in the leauge. if they had an ounce of stability on that line they would be in the playoffs. they dont need bush or young. if the texans really want to win and win convincingly they need the BRICK anyone else will just sell tickets and jerseys they wont win games
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The Brick got beat bad on one play in the Senior Bowl. He was great in practice but didn't do all that great in the game. I agree with you though, the Texans need OL help more than RB or QB.
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The Brick will be a pro bowler and one time being beat does not a bad player make. He is awesome, and will be a great addition to any team, more so the Texans, whose line is sad to say the least.
The Texans should shop the pick. The 49ers are not one of the teams that will be interested. High price tag, and we need more players, not one.
I think the Texans are taking Bush or trading, not many great picks for them otherwise at #1.
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if they had a brain they would pick da brick at 1 if they cant trade down
what good is bush when he has no oline he will be much more explosive with some blocking.
he would be the sickest running back in history if he ran behind the seahawks line.
JMO
he would only be "good" behind thier current line
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Stick to your guns and take the Best player available.
By the way? Are you firing or enshrining Kris Brown?
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The Niners should trade down unless AJ Hawk , D'brick, or a top flight DL is available. No way would we trade up.
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We may go in many directions: Mario Williams (to replace the aging Bryant Young), AJ Hawk (to bolster our LB corps that will suffer at least 1 loss this offseason), Vernon Davis (the best offensive weapon not named Reggie Bush), DeAngelo Williams (whom Mike Nolan reportedly likes), trade down and get Michael Huff, Ferguson (yes, still a possibility), Haloti Ngata... etc etc.
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Thats what I've been thinking. Especially if we go #7 Hawk and Williams will almost certainly be gone, unless Jay Culter slips in the top 6 going to either NO, TEN, NYJ, or maybe even the faiders, Hawk and Williams will most likely be off the board.
Some possible trading partners for us:
MIA-if Cutler is around, and if his he continues to skyrocket, MIA won't way till #16 to grab him
DET-if they decide Harrington is done for and want to ensure they will get him over MIA by
After that, it becomes iffy because the only guy left I could see some one trading up for is Cutler, and no other team picking after us is in dire need of a QB, barring Ferguson falling out of the top 6.
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we can draft what we need from the 6/7th spot
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I used to think that it would be worth it to trade up to get him. Now after realizing the talent pool at RB I actually think that DeAngelo Williams would be a better fit to the system we will be playing behind Norv Turner.
I would be a happy niner fan if any one of these guys are picked: AJ Hawk, Vernon Davis, DeAngelo Williams, or Mario Williams. I really like Vernon Davis and DeAngelo Williams as my favorites though.
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http://nyjetsfan.com/forum2/index.php?showtopic=7251
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I would absolutely NOT trade up and I can all but guarantee you that Terry Bradway won't either. With the #4 overall, the Jets will most likely take Ferguson & knowing our ******* GM Bradway, he'll also trade DE John Abraham to Oakland for the #6 in order to take Mario Williams.
I for one will attend the draft in order to smack Bradway upside his head if he trades away Abe for an unproven Williams who I predict will tear a knee ligament during his 1st or 2nd season & then TB can simply say "Who could have seen this happening?" in order to keep his job as Oakland bumps the Jets out of the playoffs once again in the 1st round that year.
But to get back on topic......in short.......hell no. The Jets do not trade up.
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It would be a real steep price to trade up.
While Bush is a foregone conclusion to be the 1st overall pick, I get the fealing that some luster has come off him since the Rose Bowl. I don't know, maybe I'm imagining things. Plus, the unbelieveable performance by Texas local kid Vince Young has mainly contributed to this situation. Before the RB, it seemed that the Texans were set on Bush, but now everything has changed and it doesn't seem so sure.
In the end, I think the Jets need at LT is greater than the need to get Bush.
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If the Texans get an OLine that knows how to protect a QB then Carr will probably be a Pro Bowler so I think the Texans will select Bush even though, as you stated, Dominick Davis is still in Houston.If they do trade down I think the Texans will want 2 1sts - the only team that you can get that from is Denver who have picks in the middle and lower end of the 1st round. I think Houston will at least want a top 12 pick and another lower 1st rounder for the no.1 overall so I dont see Houston trading down unless a player is involved in the package.
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Our GM, Terry Bradway, isn't this gutsy. If anything, we need to trade down and get more picks, we're not missing one big thing, we're missing alot of things, and getting more picks to fill more holes makes more sense.
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Well of course immediate holes to fill are Oline,Q.B,N.T, WR. Although the first 3 before the WR. I can almost guarentee you we will take either D'Brickshaw, Leinart (if he falls), Or Jay Cutler. Those 3 are the one's who will be drafted.
John Abraham is definately worth a 1st round pick and then some, so I would expect that we are going to trade him. We are extremely over the cap stting at an anstonishing 29 Mill over. So there are player's on the Jets who are going to have to get axed as well as restructure (if possible). With this thinking I don't think we will be in a position to trade up. We need picks more then anything and signing proven free agents in the situation were in are costly and would have a negitive effect on a payroll we are so desperately trying to minimize. Even with trading Abe it would seem kinda dumb to replace him with Mario when we have another 1st rounder backing him up in Bryan Thomas not to mention using the critical 1st from Abe on a more needy position.
I'm sorry for any team that get's Vince. The guy is going to be a huge project. Can we say J.P Losman. Just like Losman he had WR's, TE a great HB and FB with a decent online and although he showed promise he is just to much of a project. The same goes for Vince but it get's worse. In order for you guy's to become respectable again it's going to take years. Vince Young will have Dominick and Andre and a makeshift oline and Vince is very raw for drop back's to throwing motion it's all going to need tutoring. I personally don't think the Texans will take him. If they do it will take even longer.
Let me ask you a question why in the hell are fans calling for Bush when they have a badass running back like Dominick?. Why are the fans calling for Vince when David Carr has shown he can take punishment and stand in the pocket and make some beatiful throws?. Why wouldn't they look to take D'Brickshaw and trade down for more picks to further improve that oline? And I haven't even touched the defense yet. I think the Texan fans are in for a rude awakening if that get Bush or Vince. Trading down would be the best senario. Just my opinion.
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Right now, the big thing is getting either D'Brickshaw Ferguson or Jay Cutler.
But are the Texans locked on to Bush? I think that's the wrong move, getting Ferguson is the smartest option.
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j/w for every1 that is saying we shouldn't: where were u during the last week of the season. we all wanted the #1 pick to get reggie. i would most certainly do this, i wish their was actual talks of this happening.
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take moulds. i'd definitely give him up to move up and ensure we get ferguson.
with that said, i dont' see us moving up, and especially not to the #1 pick. ferguson will probably go 4, and it would cost us more to acquire the first pick and pay his contract.
you think the texans would do a tagged nate clements to swap picks?
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The more likely thing is for the Bills to trade down in the draft for more players, not trade up. We already have McGahee, a young Quarterback in Losman and we actually might (very slim chance but still) be able to get D'Brick at #8 anyway. There is no player at #1 that we would need so badly to compromise more of our own draft picks to acquire. I'd say to shop somewhere else.
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I find it very unlikely that we trade up to the #1 spot. It seems that a team will only do that when there is a can't miss prospect that they need. Frankly, having the #1 overall pick in the draft seems to be something of a hindrance because of how much they cost to sign and the pressure placed on them and the team.
My guess (hope) is that the Bills will look to draft linemen. The prospects at our spot are Ngata, Ferguson and Williams. One of them should be there at #8 (I'm guessing Ngata). No need to trade up.
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I think that the Texans should trade down to the Jets to get their 4th pick, 2nd rd and 3 rd. They could draft The Brick at #4. Then they can have two high 2nd and 3rd round picks to draft some other needs like more O-Lineman and LBs.
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Sorry, but RB was the Texans best position last season. They desparately need a line. They should trade their #1, and stack picks for the next 2 seasons. This draft is heavy in OL. Imagine the Texans dropping to pick 4, pi9cking up a second 2nd rounder, and getting another #1 & 2 pick next season.
With 4 picks in the top 70, you could get 4 excellent OL, and turn around that pathetic O (Something drafting Bush alone just won't accomplish)
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For the Texans to trade down to #4 there has to be something the Jets want at #1. I doubt they'd do it for Bush.
That's the thing with trading down. You need someone willing to pay the price to trade up. I think we have a better shot at trading down because of Cutler. We'll see.
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Don't see it happening. The Bills would need to give up too much to get up there.
The only trade possible I see is our 1st, Eric Moulds, and one of our 3rds. I can't see the team giving up more then that to get D'Brick.
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Clements and our first, for you first
and your front office is a bunch of morons if you accept that deal.
If I was Houston I'd draft either Bush or Ferguston
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Houston- trade down with Jets (Bush) get Jets 1st 2nd and next years 1st
then trade down again with SF (M Williams) get their 1st and 2nd
trade down with Arizona (Cutler) get their 1st and 2nd
1st 10- Chad Greenway LB
2a 33 Leonard Pope TE
2b 37Ryan O'Callaghan OT
2c 40Brodrick Bunkley DT
2d 43Max Jean-Gilles OG
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If we were to trade up there wouldnt be a need to trade up to the #1 pick , the highest we would need to get for D'brickishaw ferguson is the 4th , there is no reason to get the number one , we need more picks if anything not less
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http://www.azcardinals.com/fanzone/m...read.php?t=470
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It's not happening. I think it's possible houston could trade it awy but not to arizona. In order to build a winning team we need solid players who can fill holes, not studs. Plus, our inside blocking is terrible so LenDale white is a better fit for us.
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NO WAY we are trading Wilson, he is, along with Bert Berry, our unquestioned leader of our defense, we really dont need the #1 pick, Denny doesnt trade away picks and we will draft the BAP no matter what position it is. The only way I would trade for the 1st pick would be if we send this years 2nd and 3rd, next years 1st and 2nd and if possible a 3rd in 2008. and maybe even a player like Ross.
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Just do the smart thing and take Ferguson. We might trade up to get him, but we don't need Reggie Bush...and quite frankly, neither do you.
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We don't need a QB that will take 2 or 3 years to develop if ever - this team has too many other needs.
Bush would be nice but again this team doesn't have a lot of depth their is no way we can afford to be giving up starting players to get him, or high draft picks.
Don't look for the Cards to make the deal with HOU.
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Ngata is my pick if we stay at number ten.
We need a beast in the middle
some other popular ideas are Lendale White, DeAngelo Williams, and Vernon Davis. I'd like to trade down.
Marcuss Mcneil and Winston Justice have also been discussed.
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Lendale White.......or LenDale in GlenDale as some people like to say
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Almost none of the people from these teams were interested in trading up to the #1, and a lot of them wanted their teams to trade down, but they're in the same position that we are in that you can't trade down if no one is willing to trade up. I thought some of their comments on their perception of our team and our needs were particularly interesting though, and I bolded some of those comments. Read thru these if you want and comment on anything you want about them, but remember these are the opinions of fans from other teams, not necessarily my opinions, and several of their comments on what we should do are not very good, but what can you expect from fans of other teams? I couldn't find a message board for the Packers, Raiders, or Lions, so I wasn't able to ask fans from those teams about their opinions, and I didn't bother going to the Titans or Saints since I don't think either would trade with us anyways.
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Great stuff. Interesting to hear the other sides.
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I was the Texans mock draft representative on a Packers' board a couple of years back. I believe it was ran by a lady named Patty. I will see if I remember/find it for you.

Edit here ya go...It is one of the better message boards as I think about it.

http://www.packerchatters.com/forums...hp?showforum=6
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Great Post Morknolle........

I'm officially in the Trade down club then........

But if we can't get the compensation we want, I'd take Vince over Reggie.
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Great Post Morknolle........

I'm officially in the Trade down club then........

But if we can't get the compensation we want, I'd take Vince over Reggie.
I would have trouble understaning why this thread would make you a part of the trade down club. None of these teams have a burning desire to trade up (if you listen to the fans). It seems to be more of a discouragement than anything.
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hmmm. I went to the jet's forum, and did a search, to see what the rest of the country was thinking about Vince....

I found this thread, where the latest post was in November....... pre-Rosebowl, and Vince is still considered by some of their fans to be a top prospect.

Just thought it was interesting...
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I was the Texans mock draft representative on a Packers' board a couple of years back. I believe it was ran by a lady named Patty. I will see if I remember/find it for you.

Edit here ya go...It is one of the better message boards as I think about it.

http://www.packerchatters.com/forums...hp?showforum=6
Cool, I will have to go check that out and see what they say.
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I really like that post man, thanks for taking the time to do it. Its always nice to see an outside opinion of our team. There seems more intrest in Ferguson then Bush.
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ferguson is coveted by a lot of teams, from what I can see. Cowboys & Saints are also interested.
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Cool, I will have to go check that out and see what they say.
Was wondering if you had the chance to talk to Packer fan yet?
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Was wondering if you had the chance to talk to Packer fan yet?
I posted it on their message board too, got basically the same responses last I checked it. Let me get on there again and see what else has been added and I'll update in a few minutes.
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IMO, never! I think most of us feel that, if we can find a partner, a trade down a few slots would be preferable or, if we feel strongly about the BPA, staying where we are. While we need to solidify our RB position, I'd say that we have too many other holes and too few picks as it is to even consider trading up.
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The Packers have only 5 draft picks in this draft.
With so many needs, and Ted Thompson's history of acquiring additional draft picks on draft day, I would have to tell you not to expect any deals with Green Bay in trading up to the #1 position.
If..........IF............Green Bay stays at #5, the two most bounced around names have been Mario Williams, DE; N.C. St. and A.J. Hawk, OLB; Ohio St.
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More important than how we as fans feel, I think it's safe to say our GM would be much, much more likely to trade down than up. We've only got 5 picks this year (probably one more comp pick) and Ted Thompson covets draft picks. I'd be "falling off my chair" shocked to see him trade up in the first round.
As to who we prefer at #5, I think the consensus here is either Mario Williams or AJ Hawk. I would prefer a trade down but no lower than about the #12 - #14 pick. There is a rumored trade with OAK where they would take Mario at #5 and we would pick Michael Huff with OAK's first rounder and pick up an additional day 1 pick as well. That'd be great IMO.
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i have to agree. with thompsons history in drafts i'm expecting him to move down.good luck in houston with the new regime.what's the word in houston on mike sherman?
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Reggie Bush in Packer Green and Gold would be an absolute dream. The team would have a new difference maker as Favre ended his career.
But I agree. There is no way it happens. It's too expensive
. And Thompson NEVER trades up.
Maybe if you wanted a player or two, but no way if it's a draft pick.
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There are a few names that have been mentioned in other posts as trade-throw-ins: Robert Ferguson (WR) and Na'il Diggs (LB) that would be both expendable by GB and are positions of weakness for Houston. I would highly doubt that the Texans would wish to take-on their salaries (approx. $4.4 mil) or that we'd want the cap hit ($3 mill accelerated SB), or if they and #5 = #1. IF the Texans would agree to this then GB would use the #1 as trade bait and move back down, gaining extra picks to the highest bidder.
Recap: I HIGHLY doubt all of those IF's above would happen, and it would help GB get something for potentially un-desired '06 players. This is an extreme amount of speculation, so please don't flame-me... although I suppose I deserve it for posting.
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The only way i see TT trade up is if he uses playes he might end up cutting before the season starts. Main examples are Ferguson (WR) Diggs (LB), Klemm (OG/OT), Roman (S), R. Thomas (LB), D. Martin (TE) and some of our younger players who have yet to fullfil their potential: K. Peterson (DE/DT), D. Washington (DT), K. Berry (OT) if kept. These are the only possible people I could see in a trade this offseason and I doubt TT would trade more then two of these people away in addition to no higher then a 6th round pick (if we even had a 6th or 7th round pick) to trade up. I don't really see any two of these players that are worth of using to trade up to #1 spot. So, if you are in love with any of these players, like K. Peterson and R. Ferguson, tell your GM to switch 1st rounds with us for those players and then maybe a trade could work.
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As of right now, we have only five picks total.
Thompson would be insane to be coming out of this draft with only 2 or 3 guys total, just to get Bush.
If we had 8 or 9 picks, I'd think TT might think about it, but basically, we have to hit on nearly every pick, or trade down, not up.
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There's not a chance, but I heard Jets & Dolphins are interested.
And so do the majority of Texans fans not want Bush/Leinart/Young? I've always thought the best draft pick for you guys would be "Brick". With a solid O-line, I truly believe you'll be one of the best offenses in the league.
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Ditto what most have said. I think the best chance for the Texans would be to trade with one of the teams that may be more enamored with Bush or a particular QB. NO does not need Bush either, but Tenn would probably like to take him or to be sure to have their choice of QB. Leinart and Young have such different styles that someone may be willing to move up to get the best 'fit'.
I agree with Vots that D'Brick woudl be my choice if I were in Houston. Carr and Davis are solid players. By many accounts D'Brick is the best player in the draft. For a team with Tackle issues, it is really a no-brainer.
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TT has never traded up w/ either Seattle or the Pack. Houston needs to find another team to peddle that Bush pick to.
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Ok I'll play (even though I'm not a big fan of Bush, many on this list wish to sell our souls for him so here it goes.)
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The fifth pick, WR Ferguson, TE Martin, G Whittaker, DL Peterson, DB Carroll.
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I agree with Vots.
I would not be a fan of trading up just because I wouldn't be willing to pay the price. I also think that the Jets are the most logical trade down partner. They would love to have Bush in the big apple, and at the #4 position, the Texans could still grab D'Brick. This is the kind of deal that would really make sense for both sides.
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We'll send you Mark Roman, Paris Lenon, Robert Ferguson, KGB and the #5 pick for the #1 pick and your 3rd rd pick! I'll even pay for the airfare to Houston for those four!
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MorKnolle - I hope you guys stick with David Carr. I thought that the 2004 Sunday night game in Houston was a turnaround point for the Texans, but then Favre and our kicker, Longwell swept in to steal the victory from your then-young squad. If I remember correctly, Carr was especially disappointed about that loss.
I have NO idea how Capers' team took apparent steps backward in 2005, but it really did seem like those players were on a quest to find more and more inventive ways to lose ballgames.
As for the Packers going after the #1 pick, it's highly unlikely. Our former GM, Mike Sherman, established a reputation for going after a specific player and trading up to "guarantee" specific selections. Many on this board feel that after several years of doing that, he needed to give up the GM position. The team hired Ted Thompson, who has a reputation for exactly the OPPOSITE draft day practice. He acquired 12 more picks in 5 drafts with the Seattle Seahawks before coming to GB in January of last year.
Many people here have shown how much of our draft last year was the work of the previous GM (who remained as the head coach until January of THIS year), but one factor that was definitely NEW in Packerland was the accumulation of "extra" picks during last year's selections.
Our GM also worked quickly following the draft to sign specific UFAs, and at least two made the 53-man roster "above" much more expensive FAs. The GM ate the money he had spent on bringing in the FAs and went with his younger UFAs. We also started a 7th rounder at RG all season, and a 4th round LB was in the starting lineup towards the end of the year... only to rip apart his knee on the field. We had a 4th rd rookie safety play in our dime package most of the season, beating out a slew of experienced DBs who were brought in to strengthen our secondary. Apparently we have a GM who believes very strongly in picking quality NFL players on Day Two of the draft.
Our GM has been quoted as saying that all NFL teams experience turnover from year-to-year, but that he anticipates more turnover than average on our upcoming roster.
So if the Packers trade up for the #1 pick, it will be a very significant, very unexpected move for our storied franchise.
As for what players the Packers are targetting with their current selection, there's talk of defense. Defense. Defense. Many people think that the DE Mario Williams is the best value for that selection, and there are several scenarios for trading down, adding another Day One pick, and selecting a different defensive player in a trade with the team who is "drooling" over Mario Williams.
Our defense can benefit from a quality 1st round selection at literally ANY position. Most Packer fans are hoping for an instant starter on defense from our 2006 1st round pick... Something that we did not get with last year's choice.
However, if the Texans are looking to "upgrade" at punter... we've got a young kid who has TONS of upside. We could definitely work out a trade that would certainly benefit both teams. Let me remind you of how much success he had at Ohio State...
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It would be fun to be in a position to make that trade, but it's not going to happen. We don't have enough picks to make it happen.
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I have been Bush or trade down for Ferguson for quite a while. But I remember when the team drafted Carr, I was dissappointed as I thought Mt. McKinnie should have been the pick. You gotta build the lines. Now the team is in a similar situation, now instead of the stud QB they are looking at the superback vs. the franchise tackle. This time I am wavering. Bush just looks too good to be true and I am adamant about this team using that 1st rounder to get Carr some help.

This thread really emphasizes that we can yap about trading down all we want, but if noone wants to trade down, you better have a plan to make value with the pick you have. The 4 spot seems to make the most sense, but if the team does trade down, they may do better to draft #1 and then swap players with the #4 team to ensure that if Brick isn't there, they still get Bush.
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I posted it on their message board too, got basically the same responses last I checked it. Let me get on there again and see what else has been added and I'll update in a few minutes.
Thanks for your work on this. Your work shows that same things that I see on general football boards when fans from other teams post about this draft.

1- The notion that their team can trade down when ever its wants to
2- They all like Bush, but not enough for their team to trade up
3- Generally, have a positive outlook on DomDavis and David Carr.
4- Think the Texans should trade down, but not with their team.

If you are in the camp which wants a trade down, your hope has to be that the management of these teams thinks differently than the fans. If the organizations don't there is no way in heck to get a "Godfather offer"
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Thanks for your work on this. Your work shows that same things that I see on general football boards when fans from other teams post about this draft.

1- The notion that their team can trade down when ever its wants to
2- They all like Bush, but not enough for their team to trade up
3- Generally, have a positive outlook on DomDavis and David Carr.
4- Think the Texans should trade down, but not with their team.

If you are in the camp which wants a trade down, your hope has to be that the management of these teams thinks differently than the fans. If the organizations don't there is not way in heck that get a "Godfather offer"
What it says to me, pulse of the fan (not FOs) is that Bush is not as valuable as people think. If we can not pull a trade then we should take the player that helps us in the mid term to long term - DBrick or Mario. It is not sexy, but then there is no once in a lifetime player or else there would be a market for trading up to get him. Once again this is a statement regarding a sample of other fan's thoughts.
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I have been Bush or trade down for Ferguson for quite a while. But I remember when the team drafted Carr, I was dissappointed as I thought Mt. McKinnie should have been the pick. You gotta build the lines. Now the team is in a similar situation, now instead of the stud QB they are looking at the superback vs. the franchise tackle. This time I am wavering. Bush just looks too good to be true and I am adamant about this team using that 1st rounder to get Carr some help.

This thread really emphasizes that we can yap about trading down all we want, but if noone wants to trade down, you better have a plan to make value with the pick you have. The 4 spot seems to make the most sense, but if the team does trade down, they may do better to draft #1 and then swap players with the #4 team to ensure that if Brick isn't there, they still get Bush.
You wanted McKinnie in 2002? We picked up Tony Boselli in the expansion draft hoping that he would be our franchise LT for years. The 2002 draft was a decision between drafting David Carr and getting your franchise QB vs. drafting Julius Peppers and anchoring your defense.
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Im starting to wish we had beaten the 9ers in week 17. In this draft, having the #4 pick would be better then the number one. Think about it. Our biggest needs:O-line, LB, DE, TE, WR, S, CB. However, unless the leading player at that postiton has a monster combine, none of them will be deemed worthy of the number one. We might end up being pushed into a player we dont need. If we had the #4 pick, D'Brick, Hawk and Mario would all be options, for the Texans, that is a much better pool then VY and Reggie in terms of addressing our needs. Damn you Kris Brown.
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Im starting to wish we had beaten the 9ers in week 17. In this draft, having the #4 pick would be better then the number one. Think about it. Our biggest needs:O-line, LB, DE, TE, WR, S, CB. However, unless the leading player at that postiton has a monster combine, none of them will be deemed worthy of the number one. We might end up being pushed into a player we dont need. If we had the #4 pick, D'Brick, Hawk and Mario would all be options, for the Texans, that is a much better pool then VY and Reggie in terms of addressing our needs. Damn you Kris Brown.
Depending on which GM you ask, one of them will claim that the draft is about acquisition of talent more the resolving of needs. If that guy is talking he loves that fact that he is getting a supreme talent and just needs to figure out the best use of that talent.

If you talk one of the GMs believes that the draft is driven by filling needs, then the reaction is the one you are stating.
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