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Old 01-31-2006   #1
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He sounds that he is definitely not going back to N.O. Sounds like he would be peeved if they franchise him. Said it is unfair and should not be used to keep him. Said they should have talked contract with him awhile back instead of throwing that tag around. I know many of you have mentioned him as a FA. He said he works out at a place called the Dungeon. No windows, no lights etc and just prison weights. I like the attitude. We could use that. He works out with Nate Clements too. Maybe we could get Bentley and have him do another sales job..redtowel:
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I would love to get LeCharles Bentley and Darren Howard.
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I heard the last half of the conversation. I just wonder what it will cost the Texans to get someone like Bentley.
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I would love to get LeCharles Bentley and Darren Howard.
Cap wise some moves might not be possible but I'd like him and Will Witherspoon for the D.
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just cause he doesn't want to get franchised doesn't mean he it wont happen, he is the most significant free agent, and drafts have them taking a QB in the first round so they would want a solid center infront of him even if just for 1 more year. I see him getting slapped with either the franchise or transition tag.
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just cause he doesn't want to get franchised doesn't mean he it wont happen, he is the most significant free agent, and drafts have them taking a QB in the first round so they would want a solid center infront of him even if just for 1 more year. I see him getting slapped with either the franchise or transition tag.

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just cause he doesn't want to get franchised doesn't mean he it wont happen, he is the most significant free agent, and drafts have them taking a QB in the first round so they would want a solid center infront of him even if just for 1 more year. I see him getting slapped with either the franchise or transition tag.
So right and he said as much in the interview. He was mature about it. He knows the business. He just said that it would upset him because he was open to discussiosn earlier where it would not have to come to this. The guy sounds hard core though and it was good to hear.
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Browns | Bentley says he is interested in returning to Cleveland
Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:50:25 -0800

Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports New Orleans Saints OC LeCharles Bentley, a native Clevelander, has told friends that he would like to return home and play for the Cleveland Browns. Bentley is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent in March.
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just cause he doesn't want to get franchised doesn't mean he it wont happen, he is the most significant free agent, and drafts have them taking a QB in the first round so they would want a solid center infront of him even if just for 1 more year. I see him getting slapped with either the franchise or transition tag.
He could always hold out and refuse to play for them, so they'd at best get to franchise/transition tag him and trade him off.

If he becomes a free agent, I think he'll end up getting a deal like 6 years, $25-28 million or so, so that could easily be affordable for us (we love throwing out large contracts to free agents anyways, and this would be a much better use of it than our deal on Todd Wade or Morlon Greenwood).
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He could always hold out and refuse to play for them, so they'd at best get to franchise/transition tag him and trade him off.

If he becomes a free agent, I think he'll end up getting a deal like 6 years, $25-28 million or so, so that could easily be affordable for us (we love throwing out large contracts to free agents anyways, and this would be a much better use of it than our deal on Todd Wade or Morlon Greenwood).

I heard the interview too. He said he wanted to get paid and be on a winning team.

If we get him, we are gonna have to overpay.
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just cause he doesn't want to get franchised doesn't mean he it wont happen, he is the most significant free agent, and drafts have them taking a QB in the first round so they would want a solid center infront of him even if just for 1 more year. I see him getting slapped with either the franchise or transition tag.
I'm not an expert on the use of the franchise tag, but I would suspect that they are more likely to be used by teams who are making a run at the Superbowl and want to retain a key player. Basically, I wouldn't see the sense in the Saints franchising LeCharles (except for a sign and trade scenario) in order to protect a young QB if they are 100% certain that he will not be returning the following season. It would be better for them to cut their loses and develop some talent at the position, especially now when no one expects them to be very competitive anyway. Now, will the Texans pony up the bucks for Bentley if he does hit the market, that's the question. I don't know if he has the quickness/mobility to fit the mold of the zone blocking scheme although he is a great center...

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I heard the interview too. He said he wanted to get paid and be on a winning team.

If we get him, we are gonna have to overpay.
Overpaying for a proven pro-bowler at a need position isn't all bad. He, along with coaching, might be the only changes wee need on the o-line. That would make him a good investment.
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I'm not an expert on the use of the franchise tag, but I would suspect that they are more likely to be used by teams who are making a run at the Superbowl and want to retain a key player. Basically, I wouldn't see the sense in the Saints franchising LeCharles (except for a sign and trade scenario) in order to protect a young QB if they are 100% certain that he will not be returning the following season. It would be better for them to cut their loses and develop some talent at the position, especially now when no one expects them to be very competitive anyway. Now, will the Texans pony up the bucks for Bentley if he does hit the market, that's the question...What's this about wanting to be on a winning team, but then playing for the Browns? Even if he can get Frye some protection, I'm not so sure about that...
He was pretty clear that he didn't want to be franchised, that he wanted to test the market. He was very lukewarm in talking about staying in New Orleans, basically saying he liked the city and the people a lot. Talking also how he thought Haslett shoulda stayed but it wasn't my decision. He didn't seem that happy with management.

The Browns talk is that he went to THE Ohio State. So going home might have some allure for him.
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Here is a question for you draftniks and salary gap and value people.

(Assume the Texans are not set in stone in what they are gonna do).

Let's say NO franchises Bentley because he is someone that has some value for them. And they don't want him to just leave, because they are pretty sure they can't re-sign him.

Carr for Bentley. Fat contract trade.

Then we take a QB #1 and have Bentley and they would get Carr and Bush.

Is this doable? What would be the problems with it? Who would need extra value to make this something they would want to do?

Apologize if this is a dumb question, or has been covered otherwise--I looked.

(And please don't use this as just a forum to bash players you do not like. I am just curious and want a straight up answer).
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Let's say NO franchises Bentley because he is someone that has some value for them. And they don't want him to just leave, because they are pretty sure they can't re-sign him.

Carr for Bentley. Fat contract trade.

Then we take a QB #1 and have Bentley and they would get Carr and Bush.

Is this doable? What would be the problems with it? Who would need extra value to make this something they would want to do?
The draft picks would not be a factor then. You are basically talking about trading Carr for Bentley straight up. Lets assume Bentley signs the 1-year franchise contract (no bonus included) and Carr gets the 3 year extension ($8 million bonus). In all likelihood, the Texans would have to have a contract extension in place with Bentley before they would even think about the trade. The Saints would have zero dead money added to their cap for this year because Bentley has no bonus included in his 1-year contract. The Texans, however, would have to eat the entire $8 million on the 2006 cap. It just isn't a smart trade after Carr signs the extension.

Now, if Carr were traded before the extension bonus hit (deadline is 2 weeks after the Super Bowl), then it would have zero cap hit on either team. The same is true if Carr were franchised instead of the team using one of the two contract extension options. There would be no cap hit in trading him.
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Here is a question for you draftniks and salary gap and value people.

(Assume the Texans are not set in stone in what they are gonna do).

Let's say NO franchises Bentley because he is someone that has some value for them. And they don't want him to just leave, because they are pretty sure they can't re-sign him.

Carr for Bentley. Fat contract trade.

Then we take a QB #1 and have Bentley and they would get Carr and Bush.

Is this doable? What would be the problems with it? Who would need extra value to make this something they would want to do?

Apologize if this is a dumb question, or has been covered otherwise--I looked.

(And please don't use this as just a forum to bash players you do not like. I am just curious and want a straight up answer).
Thats an interesting question you pose. I think it would be hard for NO to pull off that deal for a couple reasons:

1. They are sitting at 2 and have the chance at either Young or Leinart. If they trade for Carr, that says they believe that Carr is a better option than either of those two. This might be possible in the longrun, but the fact is that Carr has been beaten up pretty badly his first four years in the league. And, he really hasnt shown himself to be a stud QB. The reason for this can be argued, but his numbers were not great.

2. Bentley is a strong OC and it might not be possible to replace him in this draft. I am not sure who the backup is but I am not sure that he could step up and make the transition. Also the loss of bentley will effect Duece McCalister.

One reason they might do it is:
Deuce McCalister is a power back I can see the argument that it would be a great move to add Bush. Afterall, you have Carr, Bush, McCalister, Horn, and Stallworth. Thats a young solid group of players.

Now, the question is, would the Texans pull off this move? If they did, they would have Young or Leinart, Bentley, DD, AJ, and MAthis. I think they texans might want 3rd rounder as well. That would give them 3 3rd rounders. They could package two fo them and move into the second for an additional pick.

Overall its an interesting idea, but not likely one that would come to fruition.
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He said he wanted to get paid and be on a winning team.
Bummer. That rules the Texans out next year. Along with the salary and the fact that he wants to play in Ohio, I don't think we stand much of a chance to sign him. Oh well, such is life.
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The draft picks would not be a factor then. You are basically talking about trading Carr for Bentley straight up. Lets assume Bentley signs the 1-year franchise contract (no bonus included) and Carr gets the 3 year extension ($8 million bonus). In all likelihood, the Texans would have to have a contract extension in place with Bentley before they would even think about the trade. The Saints would have zero dead money added to their cap for this year because Bentley has no bonus included in his 1-year contract. The Texans, however, would have to eat the entire $8 million on the 2006 cap. It just isn't a smart trade after Carr signs the extension.

Now, if Carr were traded before the extension bonus hit (deadline is 2 weeks after the Super Bowl), then it would have zero cap hit on either team. The same is true if Carr were franchised instead of the team using one of the two contract extension options. There would be no cap hit in trading him.
Hmmm.

How could you trade Carr without extending him first? He doesn't really have an incentive to want to go to New Orleans so renegotiating his contract and then trading him to New Orleans is a no go.
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Thats an interesting question you pose. I think it would be hard for NO to pull off that deal for a couple reasons:

1. They are sitting at 2 and have the chance at either Young or Leinart. If they trade for Carr, that says they believe that Carr is a better option than either of those two. This might be possible in the longrun, but the fact is that Carr has been beaten up pretty badly his first four years in the league. And, he really hasnt shown himself to be a stud QB. The reason for this can be argued, but his numbers were not great.
They might think that a developed QB with a strong arm would be better in the short term than what has happened to rookie QBs who have started right away in the NFL. An experienced QB and with Bush too. Or D'Brick if they wanted to go that way. Basically, the argument that the people who like the Carr/Bush or D'Brick thing are saying.

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2. Bentley is a strong OC and it might not be possible to replace him in this draft. I am not sure who the backup is but I am not sure that he could step up and make the transition. Also the loss of bentley will effect Duece McCalister.
It is possible they lose Bentley anyways. From the Rome interview, it dint sound like he wanted to be there. And that he was gonna be mad if he were franchised because he wanted the freedom to chose his own destiny. Might hold out if he is angry enough.

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Deuce McCalister is a power back I can see the argument that it would be a great move to add Bush. Afterall, you have Carr, Bush, McCalister, Horn, and Stallworth. Thats a young solid group of players.

Now, the question is, would the Texans pull off this move? If they did, they would have Young or Leinart, Bentley, DD, AJ, and MAthis. I think they texans might want 3rd rounder as well. That would give them 3 3rd rounders. They could package two fo them and move into the second for an additional pick.

Overall its an interesting idea, but not likely one that would come to fruition.
I think it has about negative infinity chance of happening, but I was just curious.
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