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Old 01-29-2006   #1
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Default What would it take to get you to trade Carr?

If Carr is worth something substantial in trade, trading him seems like it might be a good idea for rebuilding the team. I'm thinking we might get a mid-1st round choice and a mid-second.

Would that be enough for you to trade him?

If not, what would it take?

And, what is he worth to other teams? Anybody got an idea?
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Alot of teams would be inticed because of us having to pay majority of is contract. Less $$ on them while they get a battle tested QB.
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1) Bob McNair would have to hire me as GM of the Texans.
2) Bob McNair would have to give me complete control over player personnel moves.
3) Bob McNair would have to let go of his commitment & belief in Carr.
4) Bob McNair would have to pay me at least $1,000,000 a year, with a guaranteed 5 year contract & an unlimited expense account.

Now, once we get past those little obstacles, I'm assuming that you would want me to replace Carr with the most NFL ready QB prospect available. Since, I just know that this is not another thread cleverly concealing a "We must draft Young" thread, then that would be Leinart. Is that who you really want? I think I'd rather have Carr over Leinart, anyday.
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I say trade Carr to the Raiders for Doug Gabriel and a 2nd rd. pick, then use that 2nd rd pick to trade Atlanta for Matt Schaub.
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somebody would have to ask me politely? It wouldnt take much, i tell you that. That behemoth of an extension for that results....trade him for a decent center and you improve the team leaps and bounds
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1) Bob McNair would have to hire me as GM of the Texans.
2) Bob McNair would have to give me complete control over player personnel moves.
3) Bob McNair would have to let go of his commitment & belief in Carr.
4) Bob McNair would have to pay me at least $1,000,000 a year, with a guaranteed 5 year contract & an unlimited expense account.

Now, once we get past those little obstacles, I'm assuming that you would want me to replace Carr with the most NFL ready QB prospect available. Since, I just know that this is not another thread cleverly concealing a "We must draft Young" thread, then that would be Leinart. Is that who you really want? I think I'd rather have Carr over Leinart, anyday.
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If Carr is worth something substantial in trade, trading him seems like it might be a good idea for rebuilding the team. I'm thinking we might get a mid-1st round choice and a mid-second.

Would that be enough for you to trade him?

If not, what would it take?

And, what is he worth to other teams? Anybody got an idea?
Carr and his contract are untradable, you probably couldn't give the two away, much less get 2 draft picks for him and his contract. And isnt this like the 3rd or 4th trade Carr thread you have started in the last week or two?
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If they are to get any reasonable value for him, considering that he was the #1 overall pick, they will have to play him this year and all his potential must shine. I think Phillip Rivers is worth more right now than D. Carr is on the trading block. In saying that, I still can't wait to see how Kubiak is going to handle Carr, and what the results are going to be.
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Would not trade Carr unless he proved that he cannot be a successful QB in this league. Carr has been given chances and just last year he was considered by most one of the top young QBs in the league that needed more pieces around him and a good OL. Strange we are one year later and he still needs the same thing. Carr did not revert he just never learned to throw the ball off his ***.
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At the moment you cannot trade Carr. IF you really want to trade Carr you build up your line and you showcase him next year. You show him off to the league and drive his price up. That way this time next year, people needing a QB will trade more for a guy who had a good season, then a guy coming off a bad season. This year you MIGHT get a 3rd rounder for him, but i cant imagine too much more.
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Would not trade Carr unless he proved that he cannot be a successful QB in this league. Carr has been given chances and just last year he was considered by most one of the top young QBs in the league that needed more pieces around him and a good OL. Strange we are one year later and he still needs the same thing. Carr did not revert he just never learned to throw the ball off his ***.
In his first year he took every single snap and got sacked 76 times. This year he did not take every snap and I believe he missed a game (could be wrong on that one) as well as he didn't even finish up the 49'r game. He wound up with 68 this year. Hmmmm. Was this year collectively worse than the 1st as far as sack go?

Our first years O-line was a joke. This past years O-line was head and shoulders above the inaugural one and they still sucked.......? Or was the QB decision making and inability to read an NFL defense the problem? You tell me.
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So this the 723rd "trade Carr" thread I've seen. I swear, if wish I was a mod, that way bam!!...this thread is dead. I swear people. The only way Carr gets traded is if Dom gets his job back, and for some God awful reason we draft VY, then Carr gets traded. Get over it people.
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So this the 723rd "trade Carr" thread I've seen. I swear, if wish I was a mod, that way bam!!...this thread is dead. I swear people. The only way Carr gets traded is if Dom gets his job back, and for some God awful reason we draft VY, then Carr gets traded. Get over it people.

It is the 72nd thread on the subject, but it gets few sensible responses.

I mean, surely there's a point at which the greater good emerges and, in spite of your profound and undying affection for Carr, you trade him for the draft picks he might bring.

If you say he can't be traded or he's worth nothing in trade now, that makes sense but dodges the question. It's a "what if" question.

Maybe we could get two number twos for him? Or a two and a three. All I can see is a deep top of the draft and us getting extra picks.
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what would it take for me to trade him? A stick of bubble gum, not the whole pack, just one stick, to be chewed after a steak dinner bought by the receiving team who made the trade. Oh yeah, and a handshake at the end. Don't want them trying to break the deal after they find out how they got suckered.
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what would it take for me to trade him? A stick of bubble gum, not the whole pack, just one stick, to be chewed after a steak dinner bought by the receiving team who made the trade. Oh yeah, and a handshake at the end. Don't want them trying to break the deal after they find out how they got suckered.


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It is the 72nd thread on the subject, but it gets few sensible responses.

I mean, surely there's a point at which the greater good emerges and, in spite of your profound and undying affection for Carr, you trade him for the draft picks he might bring.

If you say he can't be traded or he's worth nothing in trade now, that makes sense but dodges the question. It's a "what if" question.

Maybe we could get two number twos for him? Or a two and a three. All I can see is a deep top of the draft and us getting extra picks.
I have said this before, yesterday in fact, that I would find it hard to believe that any team would give us more than a 3rd rounder for Carr. Because of what Capers and Co has done to Carr, teams are going to be skiddish. I think it was after game 2 or 3, I was calling for Carr to be traded because I thought this organization was going to put Carr in a wheelchair. So far, McNair has more or less made me hate him less with the steps he has taken:
1. Getting rid of Capers
2. Hiring Kubiak
3. Letting Kubiak take care of his own staff
4. Giving Carr a chance to prove himself after being neglected since the point he was drafted.
I can understand where people would want to blame Carr. Believe me, I know just as well as anyone else that his stats are far from adequate, especially for a first overall pick. But what can you expect from a QB that has no o-line, 1 WR, a defense that could stop themselves from farting, and a coach that has not guts to go for it on 4th and 2 when you're down late in the 4th Q? That's my point. I respect yours.
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Believe me, I know just as well as anyone else that his stats are far from adequate,
Actually, his stats aren't that bad. The problems are elsewhere.
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Actually, his stats aren't that bad. The problems are elsewhere.
Well, for a first overral, you expect stats like what Palmer put up this year. I admit, even as a Carr that, his personal play has been less than stellar. I just don't see his problems as heavy as I see the problems around him; o-line, WRs, coaches, etc.
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