Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft The future stars of the NFL

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-27-2006   #1
swisher
Old School
 
swisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Atascocita
Age: 39
Posts: 1,615
Rep Power: 669 swisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Bush vs Payton, Sanders, Sayers etc.

After hearing alot about Bush's size, I wanted to compare him to other RBs.
Here's how he stacks up.

Barry Sanders 5-8
Emmit Smith 5-9
Walther Payton 5-10
Earl Campbell 5-11
Reggie Bush 6-0
Gayle Sayers 6-0
OJ Simpson 6-1
Eric Dickerson 6-3

Gayle Sayers 198
Reggie Bush 200
Walter Payton 200
Barry Sanders 203
OJ Simpson 212
Emmit Smith 212
Eric Dickerson 220
Earl Campbell 232

I'm not sure if the weight is from their rookie year, although I doubt that they are. Bush won't get any taller, but I'm sure he's going to gain a little weight.

I think for most of his career, Bush's size will be close to that of OJ Simpson.

Of coarse you have to take into consideration how much bigger, faster and stronger the guys on the defense are now then when they were in the early 70's. Which, when you factor that in, might make him closer to Sayers in terms of his size vs the players on the field around him.
swisher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #2
infantrycak
Lead Moderator
 
infantrycak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 47
Posts: 49,250
Rep Power: 413804 infantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Supposedly Bush is 208 lbs right now. We will see when the combine comes.
__________________
The Art of War
infantrycak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #3
swisher
Old School
 
swisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Atascocita
Age: 39
Posts: 1,615
Rep Power: 669 swisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Bush vs. his contemporaries:

Marshall Faulk 5-8
Priest Holmes 5-9
Ladainian Tomlinson 5-10
Shaun Alexander 5-11
Reggie Bush 6-0
Edgerrin James 6-0

Reggie Bush 200
Marshall Faulk 202
Priest Holmes 213
Edgerrin James 214
Ladainian Tomlinson 221
Shaun Alexander 225

So, right now, he's closest to Faulk. If he bulks up 10 pounds, he's almost identical to Edgerrin James.
swisher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #4
swisher
Old School
 
swisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Atascocita
Age: 39
Posts: 1,615
Rep Power: 669 swisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by infantrycak
Supposedly Bush is 208 lbs right now. We will see when the combine comes.

Then that already makes him close to James' size.
swisher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #5
gtexan02
Working?
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Boston
Age: 31
Posts: 15,780
Rep Power: 74340 gtexan02 is a quality contributor and well respectedgtexan02 is a quality contributor and well respectedgtexan02 is a quality contributor and well respectedgtexan02 is a quality contributor and well respectedgtexan02 is a quality contributor and well respectedgtexan02 is a quality contributor and well respectedgtexan02 is a quality contributor and well respectedgtexan02 is a quality contributor and well respectedgtexan02 is a quality contributor and well respectedgtexan02 is a quality contributor and well respectedgtexan02 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

I say, who cares what his size is. His height/size have worked perfectly thus far in his football career, why change a good thing?
__________________
Drinking the kool aid
gtexan02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #6
Grid
Hall of Fame
 
Grid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,299
Rep Power: 2272 Grid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

people are bigger and stronger and faster and hit harder in the NFL.

Also.. he will HAVE to run between the tackles sometimes.


All in all he will take alot more of a beating in the NFL, and his durability is an important question because of that.
Grid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #7
Bubbajwp
All Flopper
 
Bubbajwp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: In the Warehouse
Age: 27
Posts: 3,213
Rep Power: 572 Bubbajwp is a quality contributor and well respectedBubbajwp is a quality contributor and well respectedBubbajwp is a quality contributor and well respectedBubbajwp is a quality contributor and well respectedBubbajwp is a quality contributor and well respectedBubbajwp is a quality contributor and well respectedBubbajwp is a quality contributor and well respectedBubbajwp is a quality contributor and well respectedBubbajwp is a quality contributor and well respectedBubbajwp is a quality contributor and well respectedBubbajwp is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grid
people are bigger and stronger and faster and hit harder in the NFL.

Also.. he will HAVE to run between the tackles sometimes.


All in all he will take alot more of a beating in the NFL, and his durability is an important question because of that.
Isnt that why Clinton Portis fell to the second round. Look how he turned out.
__________________
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Specnatz View Post
Actually he is an A-Hole because he is an A-hole. just like a tiger is a tiger because he is a tiger.
Bubbajwp is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 01-27-2006   #8
Grid
Hall of Fame
 
Grid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,299
Rep Power: 2272 Grid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

im not debating the issue.. his durability was never tested at USC and there have been backs his size that held up in the NFL just fine.

So we really wont know what we have until we get him in steel blue.
Grid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #9
CenTexNative
Veteran
 
CenTexNative's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: In the booonies
Posts: 210
Rep Power: 9 CenTexNative is ridin' the pine
Send a message via AIM to CenTexNative Send a message via Yahoo to CenTexNative
Default

So why not compare him to the greatest back of all time, in my opinion, Jim Brown? Or even better. WHY NOT WAIT UNTIL HE GETS A FEW YEARS IN BEFORE MAKING ANY COMPARISONS!!!!
__________________
I'll Just Wait And See What Happens
CenTexNative is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #10
Grid
Hall of Fame
 
Grid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,299
Rep Power: 2272 Grid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

because there is nothing else to talk about and if we DIDNT talk about Bush all you would be seeing on the forum right now is Vince Young this and Vince Young that and Vince Young doesnt have a bellybutton and Vince Young cured my arthritus etc..etc..etc..
Grid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #11
tulexan
Hall of Fame
 
tulexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Age: 30
Posts: 5,080
Rep Power: 28 tulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famer
Default

I have a feeling that he isn't 6'0. I think he is probably 5'11 or maybe even a tall 5'10
tulexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #12
CenTexNative
Veteran
 
CenTexNative's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: In the booonies
Posts: 210
Rep Power: 9 CenTexNative is ridin' the pine
Send a message via AIM to CenTexNative Send a message via Yahoo to CenTexNative
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grid
because there is nothing else to talk about and if we DIDNT talk about Bush all you would be seeing on the forum right now is Vince Young this and Vince Young that and Vince Young doesnt have a bellybutton and Vince Young cured my arthritus etc..etc..etc..
But comparing someone that has never even touched a football as a player in the NFL, or even been drafted yet, doesn't make any sense to me.
I mean Bush and Young may and could have outstanding careers int he NFL. On the other hand they may both prove to be outstanding failures in the NFL. You just never know. That is why I would rather wait and see before I make ANY comparisons between couldbes' and have beens'
__________________
I'll Just Wait And See What Happens
CenTexNative is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #13
Grid
Hall of Fame
 
Grid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,299
Rep Power: 2272 Grid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

I can understand that.. but alot of the people making the comparisons arent saying "hes going to be as good as [insert player]".. they are saying "his size and running style reminds me of [insert player]"

Its just wishful thinking.. but no one is jumping the gun.
Grid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #14
tulexan
Hall of Fame
 
tulexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Age: 30
Posts: 5,080
Rep Power: 28 tulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famer
Default

I don't think we should be comparing any of our draft picks to the best of all time. All you are doing is setting yourself up for disappointment when he doesn't exceed your lofty predictions. Comparing styles is different.

Mel Kiper also made a great point about comparing players. He said that who did people compare Barry Sanders, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and all of the other elite players of their respective sports to? Probably not the person they ended up being.
tulexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #15
swisher
Old School
 
swisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Atascocita
Age: 39
Posts: 1,615
Rep Power: 669 swisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CenTexNative
So why not compare him to the greatest back of all time, in my opinion, Jim Brown? Or even better. WHY NOT WAIT UNTIL HE GETS A FEW YEARS IN BEFORE MAKING ANY COMPARISONS!!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by tulexan
I don't think we should be comparing any of our draft picks to the best of all time. All you are doing is setting yourself up for disappointment when he doesn't exceed your lofty predictions. Comparing styles is different.


The purpose is not to compare him to those players in terms of skill or potential...just size and body type. One of the knocks on Bush is that he's not big enough and may not be able to run between the tackles. I'm just comparing him to those before him in terms of size.

And when you do that, you see that he's not that drastically different in size than some of the greatest running backs, and some of the really good current ones.

When I say he will be close to OJ Simpson's size, I'm not saying he will be as good as Simpson, although I hope he will be.
swisher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #16
swisher
Old School
 
swisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Atascocita
Age: 39
Posts: 1,615
Rep Power: 669 swisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respectedswisher is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tulexan
I have a feeling that he isn't 6'0. I think he is probably 5'11 or maybe even a tall 5'10
What gives you that feeling? Have you stood next to him?
swisher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #17
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
 
Kaiser Toro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Straight Outta Austin
Age: 44
Posts: 16,084
Rep Power: 54156 Kaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swisher
What gives you that feeling? Have you stood next to him?
Now that VY mania has waned a bit, Bush seems to be the one with an aura. It seems that some fans of the paranormal are able to channel Bush from the 619.
__________________
Smell the glove is here
Kaiser Toro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #18
tulexan
Hall of Fame
 
tulexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Age: 30
Posts: 5,080
Rep Power: 28 tulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famertulexan is a Hall of Famer
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swisher
What gives you that feeling? Have you stood next to him?
What gives me that feeling is that players rarely measure up to what they are listed at in college. That is why players are measured and weighed when they go to the Combine. I'm not saying that he is definitely shorter, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was 5'11 or 5'10.

I also understand what you were getting at with your original post. I am just saying that we shouldn't be comparing him to all time greats because it isn't fair to him. We did that with Yao and he is putting up solid seasons every year, but is seen as a disappointment because people "expected" him to be an all time great from the moment that he stepped foot on the court.
tulexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #19
Lucky
Moderator
 
Lucky's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 13,402
Rep Power: 207841 Lucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Here's a pic of Bush standing next to USC LB Collin Ashton (listed at 6'1"):



I'm not sure who Bush reminds me of in size. He looks short when in traffic because he runs so low. Not sure what Bush's weight is, but he has a rather wide frame like Priest Holmes. So he could gain a few pounds.

But seriously, do you really want to run Reggie Bush up the middle 20X/game? He's most dangerous in space where he can make guys miss. Kubiak has never had a player like Reggie, and I think he can't wait for an opportunity to design plays for him.
__________________
“We’re looking for a coach that...works with great energy and enthusiasm and very positive in his approach.” - Bob McNair
Lucky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2006   #20
Huge
Hall of Fame
 
Huge's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Out yonder way...
Age: 43
Posts: 2,386
Rep Power: 16 Huge was voted MVPHuge was voted MVPHuge was voted MVPHuge was voted MVP
Default

I'll go out on a limb and say Bush could check in at 5'8, 180 and would have absolutely zero impact on his career.

There might be 4 RBs in today's game that can run over LBs. None of them can run over DLs so I don't see the importance of being bigger. The ability to run between the tackles has nothing to do with size. You'd think people would learn this after watching Warrick Dunn.
Huge is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:18 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger