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Old 01-24-2006   #1
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Default Matt Hasselbeck's release reminds me so much of Carr's

Because of this....I doubt Carr's release will keep him from being successful in the stretch of his career as so many have mentioned. While side-armed isn't preferred....Carr's done done well in college, had somewhat of a good year in the '04 season and given an O-line and some coaching with a competent gameplan laid out by the coaching staff.....Carr will be just fine IMO.

Despite having a side-arm release....Hasselbeck has been, as of late, one of...if not the most, accurate passer(s) in the league this season.

And no...I'm not basing myself off of this pic alone. I've paid attention to him since the latter part of the season until now....more so than ever before and I happened to notice this about him.

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thats interesting info. I guess VY's side armed release isn't that big a deal either?
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A release is a release, people said Dan Marino's release needed work. VY's release will cause more passes to be batted down than a normal 6'5" QB should have, but his release is not his problem you should look at his other mechanics and lack of overall arm strength as his weaknesses.
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thats interesting info. I guess VY's side armed release isn't that big a deal either?
It shouldn't be at 6'5. Truthfully I have no idea if Carr's is like that but all seem different to me.
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And interestingly enough, both Carr and Hasselbeck are good friends of one Trent Dilfer.

Good observation, though. Like has been said many times on the board, the QB is only as good as the team around him. Even the great ones went through bad times when the team sucks. Nobody can carry an entire team on their shoulders in the NFL.
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VY's release will cause more passes to be batted down than a normal 6'5" QB should have, but his release is not his problem you should look at his other mechanics and lack of overall arm strength as his weaknesses.
I don't know if you have seen the same games I have, but for me, it is not a question of arm strength. I have over half of the Longhorns 2005 season on DVD and I have watched all of them at least 2x. His arm strength is great; in fact, in some of the games, his pocket was collapsing and he threw the ball over 25 yards on a line (using the sidearm motion) so hard it looked like a bullet to an open receiver. With him, the question is his pocket footwork. On several of the same throws I mentioned above, he did not step into the throw like 99% of the QBs in the nation are taught to always do when in a passing pocket. His feet were static in those situations and it would be interesting to see how strong he really is when he actually steps into his throws.
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66cobra ask any scout and they will say that his arm strength is not all it is cracked up to be, that may be mainly due to his throwing mechanic, but I dont know. Evaluating QBs is not my strongsuit, I am use to picking them off or blasting them on a blitz. Either way, you also bring up the mechanics of his pocket presence and footwork, which can all be taught. See I am not in the draft VY camp and come up with strange excuses, because I think he will be a solid QB. I see the weaknesses of all players and the strengths. Personally I am in the trade down camp, but as for the subject yes Hasselback and Carr have very similar throwing motions. I think all the QBs mentioned in the post till now can be, will be, and have been successful in aspects of their careers.
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cadahnic, I too am not in the draft VY camp, but was just offering my observations on him. Yes, I am a UT fan, but I don't believe that VY is the answer for the Texans, at least for the time being. However, when you bring up scouts, we all know that scouts have been wrong before. I like Bush/Young alot but feel that we would be better served to trade down for someone like Mario Williams or possibly D'Brick, based on his Senior Bowl report. Anyway, I think Carr can still be a successful QB like Hasselbeck and Young will do just fine in the NFL.
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I don't know if you have seen the same games I have, but for me, it is not a question of arm strength. I have over half of the Longhorns 2005 season on DVD and I have watched all of them at least 2x. His arm strength is great; in fact, in some of the games, his pocket was collapsing and he threw the ball over 25 yards on a line (using the sidearm motion) so hard it looked like a bullet to an open receiver. With him, the question is his pocket footwork. On several of the same throws I mentioned above, he did not step into the throw like 99% of the QBs in the nation are taught to always do when in a passing pocket. His feet were static in those situations and it would be interesting to see how strong he really is when he actually steps into his throws.
I'm glad someone said this. I'm not a VY homer and have been for drafting Bush. However I have heard a few "weak arm" comments. His arm is the opposite of weak and it is one of his strengths. The guy can flick it down the field with no effort. The problem is that he rarely used it for deep balls and played in a more ball control offense, thus the passer rating. A good thing. But his arm is not weak and many scouts I have heard interviewed said he had the package, including that. Again, I'm not for him being the answer but I can recognize the freak talents.

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Hasslebeck also has a great o-line that doesn't buckle the second the ball is hiked. When Hasslebeck throws side-arm though, he's usually moving out of the pocket. I saw a lot of that during the Panther game. When Matt stayed in the pocket, his release was higher.
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The bigger red flags on Vince should be to check out why they had to simplify what was allready a simple offense (as reported in the press) and why he WOULDN"T do what Mack Brown wanted him (Brown said it himself) to and Mack just gave up on him and let him do his thing, which did work out well. Is this guy un-coachable? Can he learn a MUCH more complicated NFL system? These are things that will need to be answerd by any team in their due dillagence. They are big red flags to me.
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Could care less about throwing motion as it has proved to be an optical illusion for some of the above average to great QB's. I am more interested in between the ears, heart and footwork when it comes to the position.

By the way, anyone whose method of operation that leads a team to a championship to the chagrin of their coach is a leader in my opinion.
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The bigger red flags on Vince should be to check out why they had to simplify what was allready a simple offense (as reported in the press) and why he WOULDN"T do what Mack Brown wanted him (Brown said it himself) to and Mack just gave up on him and let him do his thing, which did work out well. Is this guy un-coachable? Can he learn a MUCH more complicated NFL system? These are things that will need to be answerd by any team in their due dillagence. They are big red flags to me.
I'm not doubting you but could you explain where any of this has ever been said by Brown. The only thing I have ever heard out of Brown's mouth is that instead of holding back his talents they decided to let him lead. He also talked about how he started listening to rap music to relate more to the players and how Vince loosened up the team. I'm not sure how this equals uncoachable. Again, I'm not proponent of drafting him but I got called out for quotes on things I didn't like about Carr so I'd like to see the source for these.
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Again, I'm not proponent of drafting him but I got called out for quotes on things I didn't like about Carr so I'd like to see the source for these.
I wonder this story comes from as well. I second that motion.
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How on God's green earth did a thread comparing Hasselwhatever to Carr turn into a Vince thread?
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thats interesting info. I guess VY's side armed release isn't that big a deal either?
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Hopefully Carr will become as good as Hasselbeck. I believe he can and I believe Kubiak is the man to do it.
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Hopefully Carr will become as good as Hasselbeck. I believe he can and I believe Kubiak is the man to do it.
I think that Kubes will have some work to do on Carr. He has to repair the damage caused by four years of sitting on the *** and twiddling their thumbs. I think that Kubes will be able to make Carr as efficient as Plummer was this year. I think one major problem this year is going to be working on the defense. Denvers D helped them a lot this year. So, as glad as I am to have Kubes be our HC, I hope Bates, if he is indeed going to be our next DC, that he can get some solid defensive players. .
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Good post...as an avid Seahawk fan AND Texan fan, I get to see the Hawks weekly and I've always compared Hasselbeck to Carr. (well, in my mind at least)

It's funny because a few years ago the very same things that were said about Carr right now were said about Hasselbeck. This town had trouble believing in him but thank god Holmgren didn't listen to us and stuck with him! LOL....
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