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Old 01-24-2006   #1
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Talking How many yards will Bush rush for in 2006!!!!!!!

I think he will just run and run and run like Forest Gump!!!! Not to mention he will be running for his life because y'all know the Texans will not have an offensive line this year. My prediction is 1500 yards the first year.

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I bet he runs for around 800 yards and catches 40 passes for around 400 yards. Sharing caries with DD limitis his rush yards, but his ypc is a team best 4.7
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I bet he runs for around 800 yards and catches 40 passes for around 400 yards. Sharing caries with DD limitis his rush yards, but his ypc is a team best 4.7
Yeah....I say 600 yds rushing, 400 receiving. DD will still get the heaviest workload.
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Depends on the team...
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I think he will just run and run and run like Forest Gump!!!! Not to mention he will be running for his life because ya'll know the Texans will not have an offensive line this year. My prediction is 1500 yards the first year.

RUN REGGIE RUN AND NEVER LOOK BACK!!!!
It's y'all not ya'll and IMO the safest bet of the next season is the OL is going to perform vastly better than anything we have seen the past 4 years.
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2007 is his second year. I think you mean 2006? If he is on the Texans, he will rush for 1000-1200 yards, and will have another 500-600 receiving yards, give or take 10% either way. On another team? I would have to see the team first to take a guess, but they won't be radically different than the numbers above.
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If he is on the Texans, he will rush for 1000-1200 yards, and will have another 500-600 receiving yards, give or take 10% either way. On another team? I would have to see the team first to take a guess, but they won't be radically different than the numbers above.
So basically in your opinion Reggie Bush adds very little over DD?
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I think he'll average around -

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So basically in your opinion Reggie Bush adds very little over DD?
Average Per Carry will be the difference being that Bush can score a TD from anywhere on the field at any time. That's what he will get paid the big bucks for.
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Average Per Carry will be the difference being that Bush can score a TD from anywhere on the field at any time. That's what he will get paid the big bucks for.
No offense, but I was actually asking Porky for the rationale behind his prediction. Second, the ability to sustain drives and score in the red-zone is far more indicative of a winning team than having a guy who 3-4 times a year rips off a long TD because he can take it to the house from anywhere on the field. That doesn't mean Bush is a bad pick, but if people are hanging their hats on home-run ability carrying the team they are going to be disappointed. Top 3 TD producing RB's ever in single seasons--Alexander, Holmes and Smith--not a speedster present.
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No offense, but I was actually asking Porky for the rationale behind his prediction. Second, the ability to sustain drives and score in the red-zone is far more indicative of a winning team than having a guy who 3-4 times a year rips off a long TD because he can take it to the house from anywhere on the field. That doesn't mean Bush is a bad pick, but if people are hanging their hats on home-run ability carrying the team they are going to be disappointed. Top 3 TD producing RB's ever in single seasons--Alexander, Holmes and Smith--not a speedster present.
Doubtful. I'm sure if Reggie Bush can put up Marshal Faulk type numbers and people won't be disappointed. Bush will have to be utilized differently then your traditional RB, but will create mismatches that teams will have to gameplan around like they did with Faulk.
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So basically in your opinion Reggie Bush adds very little over DD?
Oh contraire. Well first off, I purpsosely decided to go conservative on his numbers as I would rather be wrong low than wrong high, it's just in my nature not to over hype numbers. You want a number based on his potential. How about 1500 rushing yds, and 1000 receivng yds. That is the kind of potential he has imo.

I based my yardage this way - I see him getting 12 to at most 18 carries a game on average, so his YPC will be considerably higher on those 1200 yards. I see him getting close to 5 yards a carry, which is outstanding. I see him averaging 15 carries, at 4.8 per rush = 72 yds a game = 1152 per yr. That is not including DD's rushing yds. He will probably get 10-12 carries himself. Let's say 10 at 4.3 yds each = 43 yds per game, or 688 himself. Figure in the other RB's and Carr, and you are looking at around 2400 team rushing yds. That's not too shabby.

To answer your question more directly, no he does add a lot over DD. He has tremendous open field speed and moves that teams will have to respect. DD does not force a team to game plan around stopping him, Bush will, which opens up other avenue's of attack, and could allow Carr more time, as the D will not want to get burnt by blitzing as often. Teams are not afraid we will burn the blitz. With Bush, that changes. While DD figures into the passing game, you aren't going to really use him as a slot WR like you can Bush, so his versatility is huge. He also has game changing and game breaking ability. He should also allow DD to stay healthy by not having to carry an excessive load. In short, a rising tide lifts all boats. Bush = the rising tide. He makes everyone on offense better and that is a stat that will never show up.
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Bush 1000 to 1200 rushing and 450 to 600 recieveing
splitting time with DD
DD 500 to 600 rushing and 300 to 500 recieving.
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Bush is a superior pass blocker to DD, a superior receiver, and is a home run threat. Many of our drives seem to bog down around the opponents 40 yard line. Instead of methodically moving down the field and encountering the dreaded (especially for this team) third downs, we now can break a TD on any run. That opens things up for the passing attack when teams are legitimately scared of our rushing attack.
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Oh contraire. Well first off, I purpsosely decided to go conservative on his numbers as I would rather be wrong low than wrong high, it's just in my nature not to over hype numbers. You want a number based on his potential. How about 1500 rushing yds, and 1000 receivng yds. That is the kind of potential he has imo.
I'm not knocking Bush per se. It is just a concern (I have them about both Bush and Young so it isn't partisan) IMO that even folks who are Bush proponents are projecting scenarios like you have. Such scenarios are troubling IMO because (a) they spell a concern even from the proponents about his carry the team ability (something to be expected from possibly the highest paid RB in the NFL--at least top 3), (b) I forsee problems between the coaches/fans/Bush when the 5 ypc back is on the sidelines relying on someone else rather than going for his 24th 5 yard run of the game when it comes to crunch time (see Rose Bowl) and (c) is he really going to lift all the boats in this fashion in the play-offs when he isn't full time to begin with. Huge talent, but like Young, he isn't in the conventional mold for his position and it will be interesting to see how they get used/how offenses are built around these franchise players.
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(b) I forsee problems between the coaches/fans/Bush when the 5 ypc back is on the sidelines relying on someone else rather than going for his 24th 5 yard run of the game when it comes to crunch time (see Rose Bowl)
That is a legitimate concern. Just think about Barry Sanders though and how many times he was lifted for Cory Schlesinger or someone else to get that tough yard or goalline carry. I still think the fans in Detroit loved having him and the impact he had on that team despite his limitations. He made up for it with his explosiveness and escapeability.
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reggie bush stats for 2006:

240 carries
1175 yards
8 rushing TDs

65 catches
620 yards
3 receiving TDs

dom davis stats:

165 carries
710 yards
4 rushing TDs

21 catches
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I'm not knocking Bush per se. It is just a concern (I have them about both Bush and Young so it isn't partisan) IMO that even folks who are Bush proponents are projecting scenarios like you have. Such scenarios are troubling IMO because (a) they spell a concern even from the proponents about his carry the team ability (something to be expected from possibly the highest paid RB in the NFL--at least top 3), (b) I forsee problems between the coaches/fans/Bush when the 5 ypc back is on the sidelines relying on someone else rather than going for his 24th 5 yard run of the game when it comes to crunch time (see Rose Bowl) and (c) is he really going to lift all the boats in this fashion in the play-offs when he isn't full time to begin with. Huge talent, but like Young, he isn't in the conventional mold for his position and it will be interesting to see how they get used/how offenses are built around these franchise players.


b) he didn't ask out of the game!!! people always use this against him, but i cant see it. they took him out because they had TWO running backs, one of which was called thunder, the other was lightning. for short yardage, you put in thunder. obvious. that doesnt mean reggie bush can't play in those situations, it just means that he didn't at USC because they had a system. dont make this something it isnt for the sake of arguments.

c) what makes you think Reggie Bush won't be the main back on this team? you don't burn a #1 pick on a sub or kicker. nobody has ever told you otherwise, so why would you assume that? and somehow that matters in the playoffs? a good player in the season is a good player in the playoffs, except for the choking quarterbacks.
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b) he didn't ask out of the game!!! people always use this against him, but i cant see it. they took him out because they had TWO running backs, one of which was called thunder, the other was lightning. for short yardage, you put in thunder. obvious. that doesnt mean reggie bush can't play in those situations, it just means that he didn't at USC because they had a system. dont make this something it isnt for the sake of arguments.
If you read the whole thread you will see I am not making anything up. Folks who like Bush are projecting 1200 yds for him on a season--see example above your post. That is not a dominant top 5, maybe not even top 10 kind of year. Taken at #1 he will be paid in the top 3 of NFL RB's right off the bat whereas guys like Alexander, LT, Tiki, Larry Johnson, Edge, etc. are dominant NFL running backs who were not considered worthy of #1 overall picks and don't eat up as much cap space. Seems like a pretty serious consideration IMO that even his fans don't think he can be that kind of dominant RB.

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c) what makes you think Reggie Bush won't be the main back on this team? you don't burn a #1 pick on a sub or kicker. nobody has ever told you otherwise, so why would you assume that? and somehow that matters in the playoffs? a good player in the season is a good player in the playoffs, except for the choking quarterbacks.
See above. If you can't carry the rock and dominate a game single handedly during the regular season, you won't be doing it in the play-offs either.

Settle down--what should be the norm for the MB is discussion not a morass of attack and advocacy posts.
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Bush is a superior pass blocker to DD, a superior receiver, and is a home run threat. Many of our drives seem to bog down around the opponents 40 yard line. Instead of methodically moving down the field and encountering the dreaded (especially for this team) third downs, we now can break a TD on any run. That opens things up for the passing attack when teams are legitimately scared of our rushing attack.

In College, @ USC, against the WAC.....at least Ladainian played in the Big 12.
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