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Old 01-23-2006   #1
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Why are there so many posts on this board wanting to draft young and give up on carr. Carr is a good qb and just needs time. Elway was not fantastic in his first couple of seasons, people in mile high were calling for Deberg if you remember him. No Im not comparing Carr to Elway, all Im saying is to give Carr sometime under a new mentor (Kubiak) and see what happens. How many teams out there would want carr if given the opportunity Balt, Miami, Jets, Saints, Raiders, Lions etc... Draft Bush or trade the pick for numerous of picks to shore up your O-line and defense. Just a comment good luck texans.
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also Elway didn't win an SB witout Kubiak.....
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o snap put up 2 for the Y-man (2 since he won 2)
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But everybody is already saying we've got a better than average runblocking offensive line. I'd like to see how they would look with Kubiak and crew.

And while it would be interesting to see how Carr will turn out with Kubiak, I'm much more interested in how Vince would fare under Kubiak.
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Okay - trying to make the logical leap here. It's almost like an SAT question.

If:

Hall of Fame Quarterback + Kubiak = Super Bowl Winning Hall of Fame Quarterback

Then:

Below Average Quarterback + Kubiak = ?
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The main difference, besides Young's freakish athletic ability, is that VY is a great leader who inspires his teammates. Carr is below average, at best, in that regard. Vince is also much more confident, though that isn't necessarily Carr's fault.
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How confident would you be if your team was the league leader in sacks allowed.
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How confident would you be if your team was the league leader in sacks allowed.
How hard would you work if you were paid #1 draft pick money? Would you stay after practice occasionally to get some one-on-one practice time with your receivers and team bonding time with your o-linemen?
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omg so the guy pumps up his team?!?! holy crap we gotta get Young now! Disregard the fact that Carr has tried for a long time (remember the hair thing with 2 games in a row) to lead his emotionless team, lets just totally ditch him! Then when this guy is leading a team into the SB and we're barely in year 2 of developing VY, we can throw a big parade talking about how we drafted him and a big debate over whos fault it was for him leaving and over who we should take with the 1st overall again
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I still say just give the man a chance. Be careful what you wish for you may get young and he could turn out to be the next "slash"=Kordell stewart. Carr just needs some time and weapons. The only big name WR you have is Johnson. The RB is Davis who was hurt most of the season. And a pathetic O-line which defensive teams were just teeing off on Carr. Bush/O-line help would start to give Carr what he needs to help the texans become champions.
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if Vince Young was a Sooner everyone would be kissing Reggies feet
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I still say just give the man a chance.
That's very easy to say when you haven't had to watch him underachieve for 4 straight years. Especially when you haven't paid a lot of money to watch him underachieve in person.

If he didn't have this option coming up, I might be a little more forgiving. But the Texans have an out, and it frustrates me that they aren't going to use it. Instead, they are investing even more money in someone who *may* still have an upside. What if this is as good as it gets?
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well lucky for us than that Kubiak has a great running system and that we'll have DD and Bush in it
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if Vince Young was a Sooner everyone would be kissing Reggies feet
I've never kissed Reggie's feet. Not even after Fresno State. I'm resigned to him as a draft pick and have been ever since the Texans started competing for the "Reggie Bowl".
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ok im sorry I meant to put everyone EXCEPT FOR TULIP would be kissing Reggies feet
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Well eihter way Bush or Young the Texans will get a star. you never know maybe Kubs will trade down and stockpile picks. I do think he will take Bush and work on improving the O-line.
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if Vince Young was a Sooner everyone would be kissing Reggies feet
I've been against drafting Reggie Bush well before the Rose Bowl.

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Disregard the fact that Carr has tried for a long time (remember the hair thing with 2 games in a row) to lead his emotionless team, lets just totally ditch him! Then when this guy is leading a team into the SB and we're barely in year 2 of developing VY, we can throw a big parade talking about how we drafted him and a big debate over whos fault it was for him leaving and over who we should take with the 1st overall again
Leaders Don't try..

If David Carr take Oakland or Miami to the superbowl, I'll Kiss Reggies feet.

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I still say just give the man a chance. Be careful what you wish for you may get young and he could turn out to be the next "slash"=Kordell stewart. Carr just needs some time and weapons. The only big name WR you have is Johnson. The RB is Davis who was hurt most of the season. And a pathetic O-line which defensive teams were just teeing off on Carr. Bush/O-line help would start to give Carr what he needs to help the texans become champions.
You take him, give him all the time you want. Give us Champ Bailey in return.

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If he didn't have this option coming up, I might be a little more forgiving. But the Texans have an out, and it frustrates me that they aren't going to use it. Instead, they are investing even more money in someone who *may* still have an upside. What if this is as good as it gets?
Can you say Couch..... as in Tim Couch.
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The leadership knock on Carr is one of the most overated things on this board.

Lets look at other QBs that had "No Leadership" that were put in a similar situtation as Carr.

S. Young and J. Plunkett, both were drafted into absolutely horrid situations, but ended up LEADING their teams to superbowls when put in a winning situation.

I don't care who the QB was, he would of failed on this team.

Carr has had no protection and no TE (which is a young qbs best friend) and a craptastic defense that blew leads late with inept coaches that would sit on a 3 point lead. He wasn't exactly put into the situation to lead. The texans have set him up for failure since day one.
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I am real sure that Carr was chosen at the #1 pick because he showed no leadership in college. Everyone knows you never checkout a pick, ya just listen to the fan base and take what they want. They know what's real.
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